copper cables will be removed at some point

So says the Openreach bloke who have parked his van just outside my house. He is doing a house down the road and I asked him if the copper cables are going to be removed, and he said yes as more fibre is installed and copper becomes redundant. So now there are six houses in my street that have fibre. I am hoping if more people go fibre they will go to ZZoomm and not Openreach, sadly people go for the easiest option

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

So says the Openreach bloke who have parked his van just outside my house. He is doing a house down the road and I asked him if the copper cables are going to be removed, and he said yes as more fibre is installed and copper becomes redundant.

I suspect that will depend on the cost. Not a cheap exercise.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

So says the Openreach bloke who have parked his van just outside my house. He is doing a house down the road and I asked him if the copper cables are going to be removed, and he said yes as more fibre is installed and copper becomes redundant.

I suspect that will depend on the cost. Not a cheap exercise.

Just leave it, it'll get nicked and sold for scrap soon enough.

Interesting. They may as well remove the copper from our lane as everyone is on FTTP now.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

I suspect that will depend on the cost. Not a cheap exercise.

I would have thought it would be best to do it while putting the fibre in place He said himself it is looking like a strange tree with the amount of cables coming from the pole. I think there are around 9 or 10 houses connected to it, so if we all had fibre, that would be 20ish cables in total, it already looks a mess. Not only that, but I also said to him about how low some of them are, he did not say a lot about that only that some of them are a bit low and need to be sorted, and he wrote something on his tablet. I doubt anything will be done. Not sure what house he went to, but it was down the road, not up, but i can't see another fibre from here, but here was there for a long time unless someone had a fault, but I did him get some cable out of the van.

It has already been reviewed within BT and they are commited to removing as much as possible in a controlled way and timeframe. Yes, it is costly, but if copper prices stay the same (as they were a couple of years back) the net benefit to BT is enormous...What they want to avoid though, is swamping the market casuing scrap copper prices to plummet.

Maybe not.

We can now order broadband serices which run on the copper cables long after the PSTN shutdown.

Search SOGEA.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

He said himself it is looking like a strange tree with the amount of cables coming from the pole. I think there are around 9 or 10 houses connected to it, so if we all had fibre, that would be 20ish cables in total, it already looks a mess.

There are 6 houses connected to our pole, at least 3 of us have FTTP mine is Copper and FTTP, there are 6 cables going to pole.

In reply to a post by Sandgrounder:

Maybe not.

We can now order broadband serices which run on the copper cables long after the PSTN shutdown.

Search SOGEA.

Well they are redundant to the people who have had fibre installed, i doubt they ever go back to copper

In reply to a post by burble:

There are 6 houses connected to our pole, at least 3 of us have FTTP mine is Copper and FTTP, there are 6 cables going to pole.

There are a fair few houses in this street and not many poles to be honest,

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by burble:

There are 6 houses connected to our pole, at least 3 of us have FTTP mine is Copper and FTTP, there are 6 cables going to pole.

There are a fair few houses in this street and not many poles to be honest,

My point was, if the houses get FTTP or Hybrid service (like mine) from OR there will be no more cables

I previously worked for AT&T where my boss liked to boast that AT&T was the largest copper mine in the world. This was based on the volume of copper recovered as legacy infrastructure was switched to fibre.

I have nearly a km of redundant 10 pair armoured cable DIG if they want to arrange for it to be recovered but they will need to leave the ground as they found it

But, people don’t live at the same address forever do they ?

If the copper is left in situ, then providing service is quick and easy when needed.

Dumb really having all these FTTP suppliers rolling out all the way to the properties.
One fibre back to a central node where it can be patched to the various suppliers who have a presence at this common node.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

One fibre back to a central node where it can be patched to the various suppliers who have a presence at this common node.

Don't talk sense!

You will upset all those politician that always"know best" ...

In reply to a post by burble:

My point was, if the houses get FTTP or Hybrid service (like mine) from OR there will be no more cables

Er? There will still be cables, just with fibre in them. The ones that are with a altnet is a different thing

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

But, people don’t live at the same address forever do they ?

If the copper is left in situ, then providing service is quick and easy when needed.

Dumb really having all these FTTP suppliers rolling out all the way to the properties.
One fibre back to a central node where it can be patched to the various suppliers who have a presence at this common node.

+1 point to point dark fibre to the node would’ve be a lot better. Could still be done on future on Openreach. The most difficult and expensive leg (premises to splitter is effectively a point to point architecture) - the exchange to splitter leg would need a few more high density ribbon fibre spines.

That's how the majority of Switzerland has been done IIRC

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

But, people don’t live at the same address forever do they ?

If the copper is left in situ, then providing service is quick and easy when needed.

But since copper is going, who in their right mind would go to copper if fibre is already installed? Unless they are going for a provider that don't do fibre yet,
I presume people who have fibre installed have not planned to move for a couple of years at least, I know things can happen, and I know that you can take your contract with you depending on where you go. But normally people who have fibre are not planning on moving any time soon.

Oh yeah, before you say something about me staying on FTTC, if fibre was already installed I would use it, not against fibre, just don't see the point in changing to something that is not going to make a difference to me.

Dumb really having all these FTTP suppliers rolling out all the way to the properties.
One fibre back to a central node where it can be patched to the various suppliers who have a presence at this common node.

But different fibre suppliers use different technology, I am not a fibre or broadband expert, but if they have done what you say to do would they not be able to use their own technology?

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I presume people who have fibre installed have not planned to move for a couple of years at least, I know things can happen, and I know that you can take your contract with you depending on where you go. But normally people who have fibre are not planning on moving any time soon.

Evidence please.

Full Fibre installations normally only take a few hours at the customers premises so why would someone stay on a slow 36Mbps broadband if they was planning on moving somewhere in the near future.

In reply to a post by jpm:

That's how the majority of Switzerland has been done IIRC

It has always seemed like the most sensible solution to me.

Mostly I would guess due to a lot of contracts being 24 months minimum (although some at 12 or 18 months the market has moved more towards 2 years). As long as you budget to be able to buy out the contract then the expense is not necessarily that high but it could stop people from signing up in order to keep flexibility.

May be its just me then as there is no way I would stay on ADSL or FTTC if full fibre was available, even if I was "planning" on moving in the next year or so.

In reply to a post by MHC:

It has already been reviewed within BT and they are commited to removing as much as possible in a controlled way and timeframe. Yes, it is costly, but if copper prices stay the same (as they were a couple of years back) the net benefit to BT is enormous...What they want to avoid though, is swamping the market casuing scrap copper prices to plummet.

I can see E side being worthwhile in some areas, but D side? I will wait and watch....

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

There are a fair few houses in this street and not many poles to be honest,

No poles in the streets around here, all underground. Poles in the older street 2 over, but much older housing.

Plenty of aluminium out there too last time Britain was in difficult economic circumstance. Kind of like now.😭😭

Certainly some D-side will be easy - for example, I know of one location where something like 50 pair external 9mm is run overhead for 3km before being split.

Around here there are poles with defined max loading - max number of drops in any arc, and they have been taking out redundant copper drops to allow fibre to be added. It all goes back to the local depot (or should) for recycling.

In reply to a post by dect:

May be its just me then as there is no way I would stay on ADSL or FTTC if full fibre was available, even if I was "planning" on moving in the next year or so.

You’re not alone.

I read, a while ago, that having a FTTP connection added to the value of a house. I would assume that it's still a positive factor in many people's choices.

In reply to a post by ian72:

Mostly I would guess due to a lot of contracts being 24 months minimum (although some at 12 or 18 months the market has moved more towards 2 years). As long as you budget to be able to buy out the contract then the expense is not necessarily that high but it could stop people from signing up in order to keep flexibility.

That is the thing, if someone is considering moving, they may not want to go into a 24-month contract. I don't why we have gone backwards with contracts.

In reply to a post by dect:

May be its just me then as there is no way I would stay on ADSL or FTTC if full fibre was available, even if I was "planning" on moving in the next year or so.

ADSL maybe not, but many people would not notice the difference if they have a good FTTC connection. I have said this before and I will say it again, this you need faster broadband malarkey is a sales pitch, to get people to spend more and also the government looks at it as a vote booster. Not saying everyone will find no difference, but you either have had awful broadband or be really pushing it.

Nothing wrong with having it if that is what people want, but if I was thinking of moving I would certainly think twice before going for a 24-month contract

In reply to a post by jchamier:

No poles in the streets around here, all underground. Poles in the older street 2 over, but much older housing.

I live in a very old estate, come to think of it, most of Hereford is very old
The bloke who was here yesterday was working on the pole across the road, so my neighbour told me, not the one by me, he just parked the van up by me

In reply to a post by Rhynchelma:

I read, a while ago, that having a FTTP connection added to the value of a house. I would assume that it's still a positive factor in many people's choices.

That is bull so you are saying my other half house have had value on it because it has Fibre? Even if she did not get fibre, the fibre was still available there. The same here.
Zzoomm says that in their letters, which another one have come through my door today, That is the 5th I think in two months.
It says, £3,500 average jump in home value with a full fibre connection. This is not my own place, it is rented, but say it is my own house and I had Zzoomm fibre installed, what is to say that the buyer want Zzoomm and decide to have openreach fibre instead?

5x more reliable it also says, not from what I have seen on their Facebook page, also the same about their claim they have excellent customer service.

At the bottom in small text it says £3,500 average home increase, gov.uk, so i presume it comes from some government bull

It's not having FTTP installed that will increase a properties value.
It is simply having it available that will increase the value.

If there were 2 identical properties for sale I would certainly pay a few £k more for 1 with access to full fibre.

When buying a new home and moving (or even a renter moving), an hour's appointment with Openreach (or an Alt-Net) to have FTTP installed is not a big deal.

You may think it's "bull" but without a shadow of a doubt a large proportion of the population will take broadband availability in to account when picking a new home to buy.
How much value is added by that is an unknown but it definitely adds value.

Edit: the £3.5k claim comes from a review published by the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport. The review, which observed actual house prices between 2012 to 2019 found an “increase in house prices (of between £1,700 and £3,500).

I wouldn't say that figure is far off.

Edited by j0hn83 (Wed 08-Feb-23 19:08:21)

That is bull

No I disagree … just in the process of getting an EV charging point fitted … and this will reportedly add value to our property too.

Folk want desirable features when choosing a property, and will pay more to get them.

We were looking to move last year, and availability of decent broadband , preferably FTTP, was very high on our list.

I suspect your view is atypical

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

That is bull

Not the case, my flat was valued higher than those about 6 miles away that have no Virgin Media in the road (and FTTC is about 20 Mbps). Compared to mine with Virgin in the street and around 40 Mbps FTTC.

In times gone by higher speed ADSL attracted a premium, those whom could get 15+ Mbps could get a few thousand on a house price.

Talk to some estate agents 😂

With more and more people working from home an FTTP connection has become an important factor when moving and I can see how it would add a few quid to the price of a prospective new home.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

No I disagree … just in the process of getting an EV charging point fitted … and this will reportedly add value to our property too.

Folk want desirable features when choosing a property, and will pay more to get them.

We were looking to move last year, and availability of decent broadband , preferably FTTP, was very high on our list.

I suspect your view is atypical

And you have every right to disagree, you say a EV charging point will add value to your property, but will it really? The majority of people still have cars that use fossil fuels, sure in a few years time more people will go for electric, but the price needs to decrease, but then it depends on what price scale your house is.

If i was moving house, buying or renting I would want a decent broadband connection, I could not go back to ADSL and I would certainly need something to at least equal what i have got. But if I liked the house and where it is, I would not say no thank you just because it doesn't have fibre. Other half got her house before fibre was connected because she loved the house and where it was, broadband was around 4Mb/s if she was lucky, but she coped. As soon as fibre was offered, she jumped at the chance and got roped into 1Gb/s and now she realise she don't need that speed,

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

just in the process of getting an EV charging point fitted …

good move, one of the downsides of living in a flat. However I wonder how multi-car homes will charge 2/3 or 4 cars overnight from one socket… for those that do the 80+ miles/day commute…

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

It's not having FTTP installed that will increase a properties value.
It is simply having it available that will increase the value.

If there were 2 identical properties for sale I would certainly pay a few £k more for 1 with access to full fibre.

When buying a new home and moving (or even a renter moving), an hour's appointment with Openreach (or an Alt-Net) to have FTTP installed is not a big deal.

You may think it's "bull" but without a shadow of a doubt a large proportion of the population will take broadband availability in to account when picking a new home to buy.
How much value is added by that is an unknown but it definitely adds value.

Edit: the £3.5k claim comes from a review published by the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport. The review, which observed actual house prices between 2012 to 2019 found an “increase in house prices (of between £1,700 and £3,500).

I wouldn't say that figure is far off.

Now you are talking sense, kind of, I can understand that people may pay more if Fibre is available in the area. so according to the government, my next door neighbour can now get another 3 grand if she sells her house as she has fibre connected,

Having two fibre providers around here should add even more to the price then.

I want to see more reliability on FTTP before I even think of changing, so far I have seen or heard is people having problems, be it installation or problems with the service. Sometimes it is the case of if it works, don't touch

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Not the case, my flat was valued higher than those about 6 miles away that have no Virgin Media in the road (and FTTC is about 20 Mbps). Compared to mine with Virgin in the street and around 40 Mbps FTTC.

In times gone by higher speed ADSL attracted a premium, those whom could get 15+ Mbps could get a few thousand on a house price.

Talk to some estate agents 😂

The other half house is still worth the same now as it was before she had fibre.
Maybe your flat is just in a better place, with more resources. A few years ago the houses in my street cost more than those in the street behind this one, I don't know why, but they did. I don't normally look at prices of property as I rent, and I doubt very much if I am going to buy this late in my life unless I win a lot of money. Even if the other half move and I move in with here, it is still her house, not mine

I was chatting to her on skype this afternoon, and we were talking about different things, and she said I should go for fibre, but then she should get a Mac as well, just decide and do things. I am too indecisive, and I don't disagree with her

An 80 mile/day commute is well into charging every other day territory for the average EV, the other option is to fit two chargers and current limit them so they might only draw 20A each but will still charge at a rate high enough to replenish any usage from the previous day. A 40 mile commute seems a bit of an outlier though so the chances of two of them being in one household is even rarer.

I'm not convinced having fibre increases the value of a property any more than statistical noise, but I am sure that not having good internet options severely limits who would be interested in buying the property in the first place, which has the effect of lowering the value so the end result (better connected houses being worth more) is the same. I know I wouldn't buy a house that only had FTTC, things seem so uncertain at the moment as well that I wouldn't trust any providers plans for FTTP either, I'd want to see it built.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

But, people don’t live at the same address forever do they ?

If the copper is left in situ, then providing service is quick and easy when needed.

Dumb really having all these FTTP suppliers rolling out all the way to the properties.
One fibre back to a central node where it can be patched to the various suppliers who have a presence at this common node.

+1 point to point dark fibre to the node would’ve be a lot better. Could still be done on future on Openreach. The most difficult and expensive leg (premises to splitter is effectively a point to point architecture) - the exchange to splitter leg would need a few more high density ribbon fibre spines.

I'm not sure you have understood my point, my house had copper, it now has copper and fibre, but it's only got one 'cable' from pole to house, it's a 'figure of 8' cable, my nabours both side have FTTP, they also have only got one cable, I've not studied theirs, but guess the copper was removed when fibre was installed, So if all 10 houses in your street get fibre from OR, even if they retain copper as a hybrid like mine, then there will still only be 10 connections to the pole.

In reply to a post by neo_wales:

With more and more people working from home an FTTP connection has become an important factor when moving and I can see how it would add a few quid to the price of a prospective new home.

…. and then use your EV to nip down the supermarket later.

In reply to a post by burble:

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

But, people don’t live at the same address forever do they ?

If the copper is left in situ, then providing service is quick and easy when needed.

Dumb really having all these FTTP suppliers rolling out all the way to the properties.
One fibre back to a central node where it can be patched to the various suppliers who have a presence at this common node.

+1 point to point dark fibre to the node would’ve be a lot better. Could still be done on future on Openreach. The most difficult and expensive leg (premises to splitter is effectively a point to point architecture) - the exchange to splitter leg would need a few more high density ribbon fibre spines.

I'm not sure you have understood my point, my house had copper, it now has copper and fibre, but it's only got one 'cable' from pole to house, it's a 'figure of 8' cable, my nabours both side have FTTP, they also have only got one cable, I've not studied theirs, but guess the copper was removed when fibre was installed, So if all 10 houses in your street get fibre from OR, even if they retain copper as a hybrid like mine, then there will still only be 10 connections to the pole.

Yeah the point of which @Zarjaz was making which is less to do with the “zero sum game” from Openreach in respect of their own copper, come fibre infrastructure…but rather duplication of drop cabling when AltNet no 1, possibly AltNet no 2 etc start installing their own respective drops.

Or “do a SwissCom”, which is a point to point dark fibre network which ANY provider can lease for ANY of their own product to shove down the pipe from GPON to 100G Ethernet if they wish. Same tails to each property rather than a separate one from each discrete AltNet.

Anyhow horse bolted. Gates shut. Etc 🤣

Edited by Pheasant (Wed 08-Feb-23 23:56:15)

In reply to a post by jchamier:

good move, one of the downsides of living in a flat. However I wonder how multi-car homes will charge 2/3 or 4 cars overnight from one socket… for those that do the 80+ miles/day commute…

Yep, never thought of that, but you are right

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by jchamier:

good move, one of the downsides of living in a flat. However I wonder how multi-car homes will charge 2/3 or 4 cars overnight from one socket… for those that do the 80+ miles/day commute…

Yep, never thought of that, but you are right

There are EV chargers available that can be daisy chained off a single power supply which I guess offers a solution.

The problem I have with my house is the parking space is in front of the house separated by an access path so having a home EV charger is a bit problematic.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

In reply to a post by jpm:

That's how the majority of Switzerland has been done IIRC

It has always seemed like the most sensible solution to me.

Call me cynical, but perhaps why that hasn't happened is that it opens the door to 'fibre LLU' as they have in Switzerland. 25G domestic services for £60 per month. Excellent for the customer but I fear it would eat into Openreach's leased line revenues.

It was definitely a consideration when I bought my house. The FTTC speed wasn't anything to write home about but the area was in Openreach's FTTP rollout plans.

I've noticed recently that just about all the letting agents that own properties on the estate have had FTTP installed and are including internet access in the rent.

In reply to a post by simon194:

There are EV chargers available that can be daisy chained off a single power supply which I guess offers a solution.

That would work.

The problem I have with my house is the parking space is in front of the house separated by an access path so having a home EV charger is a bit problematic.

Hampshire council is letting people use cable protectors, but other councils are refusing, e.g. York.
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/23289472.york-falli...

Hampshire council is letting people use cable protectors, but other councils are refusing, e.g. York.
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/23289472.york-falli...

Interesting 🤔 thank you

neo_wales

It will only add money against homes without FTTP, when you have huge swathes of Cardiff with FTTP available if you want a new home in an area of Cardiff there is no added value as the area either has FTTP ( North Cardiff) or does not ( Llanrummney). Conversely if your home is one of the few that does not have FTTP in an area where 95% do it will have a lower value the the average.

In reply to a post by jpm:

An 80 mile/day commute is well into charging every other day territory for the average EV, the other option is to fit two chargers and current limit them so they might only draw 20A each but will still charge at a rate high enough to replenish any usage from the previous day. A 40 mile commute seems a bit of an outlier though so the chances of two of them being in one household is even rarer.

What if you have three cars, do you fit three chargers?
I don't think the government have given this electric car thing any thought. Chatting to a bloke down the road that has a Tesla on Sunday when I was going to the pub, and he is having problems with it not liking the cold, sounds like the old FORDS.
Hybrid is the best way to go.

I'm not convinced having fibre increases the value of a property any more than statistical noise, but I am sure that not having good internet options severely limits who would be interested in buying the property in the first place, which has the effect of lowering the value so the end result (better connected houses being worth more) is the same. I know I wouldn't buy a house that only had FTTC, things seem so uncertain at the moment as well that I wouldn't trust any providers plans for FTTP either, I'd want to see it built.

I agree that maybe not having good broadband will put some people off, but if i had the money to buy a nice house by the sea, it would not bother me if it did not have great broadband as long as it was good enough to do what I do.

I went over to a house this morning to pick up some hard drives from my mate's computers, sadly he passed away a couple of years ago, anyway, his wife still lives there and their son is there now, they have had Zzoomm installed, the first time I have seen a Zzoomm installation, I am surprised how far the took the fibre into the house, I expect them to take it into the living room, but they took it into the dining room, tacked the fibre around the walls, it is a fair distance, they have done a pretty good job to be honest. It comes from underground, so they fed it via the cellar.
The router is massive and really heavy, I was shocked at the size and weight of it.
They went for the 400Mb/s package.
My mate would have loved that if he was still here, the amount of times he used to complain about how bad his broadband was.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I have said this before and I will say it again, this you need faster broadband malarkey is a sales pitch

With the upmost respect Adrian you can keep repeating it but it doesn't make it true, its simply your opinion supported by maybe the recent Openreach guy in your street or the guy down the road or pub or work. As has been already said to the member from Cuckoo Oak, its foolish to claim to know what other's broadband requirements are.

the member from Cuckoo Oak,

Many a true word …….

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Hampshire council is letting people use cable protectors, but other councils are refusing, e.g. York.
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/23289472.york-falli...

Interesting 🤔 thank you

A local council around here was trialling some sort of cable ducting for EV charging, not heard how it's going.

In reply to a post by dect:

With the upmost respect Adrian you can keep repeating it but it doesn't make it true, its simply your opinion supported by maybe the recent Openreach guy in your street or the guy down the road or pub or work. As has been already said to the member from Cuckoo Oak, its foolish to claim to know what other's broadband requirements are.

It is a sale pitch, I am not saying that some people don't require faster broadband, but the first thing that ois pushed about fibre is speed, The letters I get from Zzoomm, after the stuff about the offer, and some stuff saying I may think my current broadband is ok, the fist thing is about speed, and it seems to be the thing for all adverts about FTTP. Make people think they need the extra speed, even if they don't.
i don't claim to know what other's broadband requirements are, well not everyone anyway. I do think some do go higher than they really need, My brother/sister-in-law, my other half, and she realises that now and the household I went to this morning, but it is up to them at the end of the day.
What gets me is people who think they know what my broadband requirements are

In reply to a post by dect:

As has been already said to the member from Cuckoo Oak, its foolish to claim to know what other's broadband requirements are.

My job during the pandemic lockdowns would have been MUCH harder with my old FTTC degraded upload (assumed due to crosstalk at 550m from cabinet).

Despite VM's failings (disconnections in summer due to worn out street cabinet) the faster speed meant I could work.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

It is a sale pitch, I am not saying that some people don't require faster broadband, but the first thing that ois pushed about fibre is speed.

My local alt-net (not Zzzoooomm) are cheaper than a Plusnet 40/10 service. They only offer symmetric 1Gbps, and are now in partnership with CityFibre.

I will be signing up when they appear in my road, they're about 6 streets away and going the wrong way.... they're the only alternative to VM... unless I go 4G with EE, (around 200 Mbps download, 50 upload) as the other mobile networks are slow (30 Mbps on Three, 20 Mbps on Vodafone, 5 Mbps on O2).

Edited by jchamier (Thu 09-Feb-23 21:29:52)

In reply to a post by jchamier:

My local alt-net (not Zzzoooomm) are cheaper than a Plusnet 40/10 service. I will be signing up when they appear in my road, they're about 6 streets away and going the wrong way

Certainly not Zzoomm as they are not cheaper, well with the six month free offer they work out 17p a month more than what I am paying now over the two years, so not too bad I suppose., but normal price they are certainly more expensive than what I am paying now by £8,42 a month.

You say they are going to the wrong way, but I expect they will get to you at some point soon.

Not sure if I have said this before, but when I first heard Zzoomm was coming here, I got excited, I don't excited very often. Anyway, I thought great, fibre just what we need and even asked one of the Zzoomm bloke how long it will be before they get up to me, he said within 12 months, that never happened, I was even going to put off renewing my contract with Plusnet for a couple of months or so, in fact I did, just to see if ZZoomm would come here, but they did not. I am glad I did not wait longer, as it turned out I would have waited for another 11 months or so.
So yes i was all ready to get Zzoomm when it came.

So what changed? The economy, the way prices are rising, me realising that I can do all I want to do on what I have got, seeing the hassle some people are having with the service and also installation. Then having thoughts on do I really want to be tied into a service for 2 years?

i must admit seeing the service in place today at a house, made me think, certainly with where they put the ONT and that maybe they can put it where I want it to go. Openreach just stick the ONT as close to the outside wall as they can. The 24 month contract is a bug bear to be honest

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Certainly not Zzoomm as they are not cheaper, well with the six month free offer they work out 17p a month more than what I am paying now over the two years, so not too bad I suppose., but normal price they are certainly more expensive than what I am paying now by £8,42 a month.

That's very low. Most people are paying between £25 and £29 a month in contract for FTTC with PN including phone.

My local altnet is saying £25 for 18 months, then £29. Others nearby (e.g. Hey! Broadband) are only doing 500 Mbps for that sort of price. Better than my VM 250 Mbps for £55....

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That's very low. Most people are paying between £25 and £29 a month in contract for FTTC with PN including phone.

My local altnet is saying £25 for 18 months, then £29. Others nearby (e.g. Hey! Broadband) are only doing 500 Mbps for that sort of price. Better than my VM 250 Mbps for £55....

£24.58 I am paying for a 36Mb/s connection from Plusnet

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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

just in the process of getting an EV charging point fitted …

good move, one of the downsides of living in a flat. However I wonder how multi-car homes will charge 2/3 or 4 cars overnight from one socket… for those that do the 80+ miles/day commute…

Or like me who lives close to a junction so can't get a drive so no point having a charging point or electric car as I can't get close to the house without parking on the pavement. Guess my house will devalue in a few years

In reply to a post by TAZZ69:

Or like me who lives close to a junction so can't get a drive so no point having a charging point or electric car as I can't get close to the house without parking on the pavement. Guess my house will devalue in a few years

I take comfort in the BBC report that 54% of housing in the UK doesn't have a way to charge overnight, primarily issues such as yours, terraced housing with on street parking but where you park randomly each night, as happens two streets from me. With hydrogen looking less and less likely (due to the energy required to create), the Governments of the world may be looking for other solutions... Plenty of smaller garages will be keeping petrol engines going for a long time yet!

Edited by jchamier (Fri 10-Feb-23 16:46:47)

I don't really buy into some of the defeatism on this issue, or on any issue that isn't anywhere near to impossible but just requires a civil engineering effort. The UK moved from town gas to natural gas in less than a decade in the 1960s. The idea that charging EVs with no off-street parking is an insurmountable problem is a bizarre way of thinking - you could solve the issue with allocated parking spaces and buried cables from people's houses to charge points on small pillars, there, fixed. Or you install charge points but link the billing back to people's domestic supplier so there's no penalty for not having off-street parking, maybe charging a small fee per month to maintain the infrastructure.

I appreciate it's difficult but lots of things are difficult, and various people in the positions of making decisions standing around calling it a tough problem to solve doesn't get anything moving in the direction of a fix.

In reply to a post by jpm:

I appreciate it's difficult but lots of things are difficult, and various people in the positions of making decisions standing around calling it a tough problem to solve doesn't get anything moving in the direction of a fix.

Utterly and fully agree. How do we get people ... (council, private landlords, public/housing assocation landlords) to even consider the topic as being important? It is key we start the job.

Currently have a petrol hybrid, would go for a plug in hybrid for my next car. Live close to a supermarket which has charging points, so the best of both worlds. Think the governments plans will not happen given the energy price at the moment unless they get more creative with renewable energy.
Almost choked on my breakfast when Boris spoke about energy security after they dithered about giving the green light to nuclear a while back, if they had a crystal ball they would have jumped at it straight away. Still given the plans for climate change and the cost over energy they really need to get the finger out.

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Still given the plans for climate change and the cost over energy they really need to get the finger out.

Yes, we need a lot more zero carbon enegry security. This is off-topic for this forum, but lots more at https://tickzero.com/

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In reply to a post by TAZZ69:

Still given the plans for climate change and the cost over energy they really need to get the finger out.

Yes, we need a lot more zero carbon enegry security. This is off-topic for this forum, but lots more at https://tickzero.com/

I don't drive, I cycle using an Electric bike or walk, Apart from Thursday when I got a taxi to bring a load of hard drives home I have not even used public transport since the pandemic started. i get in a car to go for coffee and shopping on Wednesdays and the other half pick me up in her Landrover when it is working . She does want a smaller car for normal use, nothing to do with climate change, but a Landrover uses a fair bit of fuel and no, she will not be getting an electric car.,

Anyway, I went into town today and I saw a Zzoomm stall in the middle of our High town and went to speak to the bloke., They are supplying a new router with new installs, still the same make, just an updated model, so it may solve some of the issues people are having. The six-month free offer ends on Tuesday, but he said if I phoned him before then I can have it installed in June when my contract ends and still have the six months free, works out around £24 a month spread out the 24 months. He gave me his card.

I still have issues about the reliability, the 24-month contract, the hassle of having fibre installed and I don't really need 150Mb/s.

He says he doesn't know if they will repeat the offer again, but I think they will to get customers.

Adrian

I posted this on 15th. Jan. and never got an answer. Can you help, please?

Adrian

Your surname isn't Mole, is it?

I only ask because in Adrian Mole - The Wilderness Years, Adrian wrote:

“I have decided to keep a full journal, in the hope that my life will perhaps seem more interesting when it is written down.”

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

Adrian

I posted this on 15th. Jan. and never got an answer. Can you help, please?

Adrian

Your surname isn't Mole, is it?

I only ask because in Adrian Mole - The Wilderness Years, Adrian wrote:

“I have decided to keep a full journal, in the hope that my life will perhaps seem more interesting when it is written down.”

I did not answer it because it is you acting like a child in the playground.