Playstation Network suffers major outage

Playstation Network suffers major outage.

In all the Portal 2 Co-Op games, it has been PC gamers only that I've been up against.

I tried to get in last night but couldn't
Seems the whole world is down

Its gonna take a couple of days to fix.

In reply to a post by FireFalcon:

Its gonna take a couple of days to fix.

Boooo!!!!!!!

Something... something... PCGaming .

I think the outage has killed t2d ;O

That or hes crying at the ending of portal 2 ;O

Edited by deleted (Sun 24-Apr-11 02:51:39)

Only played the game for about 30 minutes to be honest as the weather was to nice and i don't do games in hot weather.

Yeah this is the third day of the PlayStation network been down but unlike the xbox live its a free service so i suppose its not as bad as something you pay for.

Saying that i am a PlayStation Plus Subscriber and there are forum posts regarding compensation for those that have payed for the service.

The timing could not have been worse and there is little to no news regarding when this matter will be sorted.

From what i have seen and played of Portal 2 its seems OK for 30 minutes spells at a time.its not the sort of game i would spend hours playing unlike a good FPS.

Nest month we have Brink and La Noir,Brink had me quite excited but the more i see the less impressed i am .Graphics look pretty standard and it looks very much like Team Fortress .

Edited by time2die (Sun 24-Apr-11 09:20:15)

In reply to a post by time2die:

From what i have seen and played of Portal 2 its seems OK for 30 minutes spells at a time.its not the sort of game i would spend hours playing unlike a good FPS.

Hmm, running scared from PC Portal users. Fair enough T2D - I was going to go easy on you too... Are those consoles whuppin' you as well? Game too difficult then?
Shame. Hows about if I Vs you just using my mouse-pad only, Mmm?
J/K.

Chance would be a fine thing Guest but as you know the Playstation network has been down since last Wednesday.

Anybody heard any rumours as to what has happened?

I have read that it was an external intrusion, and that Sony were simply taking the opportunity to improve security while they were at it. Yeah right!

Must have been a pretty determined hack?

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That's one hell of a connection mate and it seems you have gone from really poor to outstanding..................I'm now jealous .

Rumours suggest the Playstation network was hacked by some party or something ,but that is just a rumour and Sony are not exactly saying anything apart from its a Maintenance problem............

In reference to www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/gx6o4/im_a_moderator_over_at_psxsc...:

The truth is, there was a new CFW (custom firmware) released known as Rebug (http://rebug.me). It essentially turns a retail console into a dev console (not fully, but gives you a lot of the same options that usually dev's only have access to). Anyway, this new CFW was quickly figured out to give CFW users access to the PSN network again via the dev networks. With a little manipulation of the URL's through a proxy server you could get your hacked console back online. Not that big of a deal, right? Well, it also turns out that some people over at NGU found out that you could provide fake CC# info and the authenticity of the information was never checked as you were on Sony's private developer PSN network (essentially a network that Sony trusted). What happened next was extreme piracy of PSN content.

got owned basically.

Awesome, so basicly because of a stupid system Sony made, everyone gets no access. Imagine if Tesco closed the shop because a trolley was stolen?

That's one hell of a connection mate and it seems you have gone from really poor to outstanding..................I'm now jealous .

I hope so! Still having teething troubles if you click the Live BQM below. Have set up a new rule for the router, but I will probably plonk the PS3 into the DMZ aswell.

Won't know until the PSN gets back up and running how it will perform. A mate of mine has it and reckons that it can be hit and miss. Some games can be a walk in the park and others pointless taking part. I guess a lot of that is down to matchmaking servers though.

I haven't had a chance to trade Homefront in yet. Maybe I should try their super duper dedicated servers again.

Mind you, I need to sort that activation issue out first.

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Console gaming, peer to peer hosting, doesn't really matter about your connect at the end of the day as long as you arent lagging.

Rest is up to the netcode.

Edited by deleted (Tue 26-Apr-11 19:59:00)

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

Anybody heard any rumours as to what has happened?

I have read that it was an external intrusion, and that Sony were simply taking the opportunity to improve security while they were at it. Yeah right!

Must have been a pretty determined hack?

In reference to www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13192359:

Sony has warned users of its PlayStation Network that their personal information, including credit card details, may have been stolen.

Yeah, change everything, might want to get your cards reissued etc, all your info is at risk, ALL of it.

www.blog.eu.playstation.com
I always buy PSN cards and never use my credit Card

Although we are still investigating the details of this incident, we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following information that you provided: name, address (city, state/province, zip or postal code), country, email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity passwords and login, and handle/PSN online ID. It is also possible that your profile data, including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip), and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have been obtained. While there is no evidence that credit card data was taken at this time, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, to be on the safe side we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may also have been obtained.

Edited by deleted (Tue 26-Apr-11 22:44:59)

Beat me to that Bill - thankfully I read the thread before posting. Phew!

Apparently, everything was stored in plain text. Passwords, CC#s everything. Sony are retarded.

And people say paying for LIVE is a bad thing...

In reply to a post by FireFalcon:

Console gaming, peer to peer hosting, doesn't really matter about your connect at the end of the day as long as you arent lagging.

Rest is up to the netcode.

Really? I thought that matchmaking servers tested for the best connection to use as the host and then matched other peoples connections to that. The problem being the consistency of that unspecified connection acting as a server. The host migration in MW2 was attempting to address this problem, although how effective it was is debatable.

I thought that was the benefit of dedicated servers on PC platforms?

How does net code discriminate against individual players/connections? Or is that too simplistic a question?

In reply to a post by FireFalcon:

Yeah, change everything, might want to get your cards reissued etc, all your info is at risk, ALL of it.

Do you think that would include previous cards stored on the system, or would/should they have deleted that info when you changed the card of choice?

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They do but they can be cheated or inaccurate, some peoples connections suffer under the pressure of hosting.

Dedicateds on the PC work differently, its a straight up case what ping you see is generally what ping you maintain, less room for people with dodgy wifi or god knows what. If they lag up then they lag up, if it was P2P others would probably lag depending how the netcode is handled.

If the networking coding if done well means you won't really notice that much lag, there won't be any gears of war 1 style "host" ability where 1 guy (or with partys a few people) will run around 1 shot everyone from miles and when you try take him down he sponges it up.

Theres a video been linked here and else where about black ops and what the host sees and the bot records and its quite drastic difference.

ANY game which uses P2P networking can be subjected to [censored] networking, its just a matter of how good of a job the devs do.

I'd say they might be safe but it depends, what data sony keep hold of, word going around is they stored everything in plain text (aka just like this post)

If i may just add to this it would be prudent to cancel your credit card that you use for this account to be on the safe side
All passwords and email address should of course be changed in the meantime all passwords should of course be both upper and lower case wherever possible

Also if you have accounts with any business that you purchase from just make sure that you change the passwords on these accounts from time to time and also the credit /debit card not just let the account run in a dormant mode

If your not using it delete the account also try your best to use a different password for every account that you have irrespective of how complicated the password is

Better safe than sorry.

I've just been changing passwords :/
Luckily I never used a credit card with PSN I always bought the top up cards

THAT is very wise of you. It's the only way nowadays.

Yea I don't trust the internet and I there is no way I would give my details like age etc to a games console, so I don't use a CC

It seems you should be ok as long as you haven't been naughty and hacked your ps3

http://spong.com/feature/10110323/Opinion-PlayStatio...

More info here http://spong.com/feature/10110384/Opinion-PlayStatio...

And the Beeb says this.

Terrible article. All of the blame for this lies with Sony. You would not blame thieves for stealing a trolley load of cash if it was left around the back of a bank unguarded. Price has no clue what he's on about wrt to this specific case. Waffling on about the passwords used and bank security. The hackers used sony's own developer network to get privileges and the network had full access to everything unencrypted. There's even rumours that Sony uploaded data on everything that came into contact with the PS, basically spying on users.

In reference to www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13213632:

"The weakest link is always the individual," said David Emm.

Try doing some actual research before spouting off.

Edited by deleted (Wed 27-Apr-11 23:27:22)

For once, I agree with you fully on that. Well said.

S'pose.

Haha agree with Falcon, least PlayStation gamers have no excuse that their console / service is inferior now *awaits PS fans abuse*

I have only just been made aware of the fact PSN has been down and completely unusable for multiplayer for over a week .

How I found out was one of my old xbox live buddies , that swapped to PS3 , reappeared on xbox live last night with his tale of woe .

This is incompetence at the top end of the scale . Will be interesting to see what happens with xbox sales as this drama continues .

Edit: I do remember xbox live had capacity issues one Christmas but not a total lose of services .

Edited by deleted (Thu 28-Apr-11 10:12:59)

Yes, it's all different shades of nasty on the PSN. It will get worse if Sony don't get something done quickly about it.

Truely shocking.

Anyone want to buy a Playstation 3...............On the cheapo !

On a serious note imagine if this had happened around November 2nd or 3rd last year 2010,one week until Black Ops shipped.

Even though sales were higher on the 360 than the Playstation 3 just imagine how many more the 360 would have had had this Hack Happened a week before or around the time Black Ops got released.

I am with everyone else who thinks that Sony are a disgrace and leaving it for a week before they announce possible credit card information,passwords.emails ect may have been leaked..

This has to be a major setback For the future of Sony and they will have to dangle some Mighty Big Carrots to get the trust back of gamers who have supported them over the years,personally i have switched a few games that are released in the next few week over to the 360 and i bet many thousands of people will do likewise.

Next problem will be when the PSN resumes service and millions of people will be frantically trying to change emails/passwords ect and the servers will more than likely crash.............

Yeah Portal 2 on the Playstation 3 is the best version because you can play against PC/MAC Players....................Ummm nobody has actually managed it yet have they Sony .

360 version of portal 2 is outselling the PS3 one, i suspect same will be applying to other games, as for xbla/psn games i think they [psn] are almost certainly doomed to lose out.

Still no proper apology from sony yet either...

Edited by deleted (Thu 28-Apr-11 18:43:20)

Hey, YES, I would like your PS3 - Thank you, kind sir! I really DO need a fashionable Door-Stop.

If I had one to play on, it would be for single player only anyway. I wouldn't even trust it to download >any< games from its network. It sure is grim, and I definitely wouldn't like to be Sony at the moment. They will be liable for $bucks-a-plenty and there will be lots of them up for sale - Mr Gates will be happy at 1this moment.

It may blow over eventually, but it will take, as you say, a LOT for gamers to trust them ever again[?].

Just feel bad for the gamers who have been robbed and/or affected. *hangs head*.

In reply to a post by Guest_Again:

Just feel bad for the gamers who have been robbed and/or affected. *hangs head*.

Could have been worse:

In reference to www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13231307:

Sony has revealed that credit card details held on its PlayStation Network were stored in securely encrypted files.

In reply to a post by billford:

In reply to a post by Guest_Again:

Just feel bad for the gamers who have been robbed and/or affected. *hangs head*.

Could have been worse:

In reference to www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13231307:

Sony has revealed that credit card details held on its PlayStation Network were stored in securely encrypted files.

I assume they are referring to this reasoning then...

Essentially, this amounts to a storm in a teacup. If you just want to use your PS3 to play games and buy stuff on the PlayStation Store and have never installed a custom firmware then your credit card details are as safe and secure as they are when you shop online on your PC.

If you want to use custom firmware and tinker with your PS3 then you shouldn't put your credit card details into your system, but then you're unlikely to anyway.

And if the hacker/s were protesting about the action Sony are planning for users who have jacked their PS3's, then surely they should have nothing to worry about either?

They were just making a point don't you know?


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So they say...

In reply to a post by billford:

In reply to a post by Guest_Again:

Just feel bad for the gamers who have been robbed and/or affected. *hangs head*.

Could have been worse:

In reference to www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13231307:

Sony has revealed that credit card details held on its PlayStation Network were stored in securely encrypted files.

It was just mentioned on Watchdog too.

I'm not going to buy a 360

They really have brought this upon themselves, the sheer arrogance and heavy handed approach to users who wanted to use other Os, the pompous statements the uncrackable machine. They were just one big target. Sony rattled the nest and got stung!

On the other hand look at Microsoft, quietly except the cracking of kinnect to the point of embracing people who can. Also they dealt with Piracy the right way.

I don�t condone Piracy there is no excuse and is driven by greed, however once we buy a product, surely we are able do what we like, as long we don�t do the pre-mentioned or cause any losses to others.

Edited by NilSatisOptimum (Fri 29-Apr-11 13:15:54)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13819...

Right at the bottom

They would have brought it back on Monday but it's a bank holiday

........however once we buy a product, surely we are able do what we like, as long we don�t do the pre-mentioned or cause any losses to others.

That's fair enough, but also probably very much the point. You should be able to do exactly as you please with it, as long as you accept the warranty implications that all manufacturers normally hit you with.

To be fair to Sony that is a very difficult thing to police effectively, but still no excuse for the draconian measures they were attempting to take that started this whole rigmarole in the first place.

Looking at instructions on a website on how to break the rules is not the same as actually going through with it. The backlash was probably inevitable.

Sony are primarily working from japan (where firmwares come from) and US (where infrastructure and back end is mostly setup), SCEE's limitedly involved, they just look after their part of the online services. I doubt bank holiday has anything to do with it.

I don't believe that that custom firmware had anything to do with it, sure if its claims are true it allowed downloading of PSN content without payment, thats not the same as someone ransacking their infrastructure to the extent they don't know what else was downloaded/accessed.

It doesn't add up, what was done to sony was done by EXPERIENCED people, i would tip more towards russians/chinese with financial motive in mind.

Good, buy a gaming pc instead ;D

It doesn't add up, what was done to sony was done by EXPERIENCED people, i would tip more towards russians/chinese with financial motive in mind.

But after all the initial hype has died down, the banks and FAA are advising people of no need to cancel cards and that all data stored was correctly encrypted?

Fraud on this scale would be very easy to track down. I doubt the Chinese or Russians would want make 70 million transactions of 10 quid each in online stores and have them delivered to 70 million different addresses.

Making large transactions on those scales would surely be impossible to hide?

And selling the information to so many different sources would be equally difficult?

When the network is back I will change my passwords and monitor my credit card bill. I'm certainly not scrapping all my credit cards and waiting weeks for new ones, based on conspiracy theories.

Hopefully not famous last words!

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"Sony said it expects to have some services back up by next Tuesday, though it added it will only restore operations if it is confident that the network is secure."

Aye, HEARD IT, MATE!

Information is a commodity, peoples info has probably been traded all around the world 10 times over by now. They can make an awful lot off just that, there are entire markets setup just for selling phishing kits and various scams and such, there was a nice report on the bbc site a year or two back about these kind of markets.

There is also a mix up between what Sony is saying about encryption + CVV codes, because quite a few bits of proof showing sony did take the CVV's, if they did and that encryption is broken then people are screwed. Sony isn't saying how their info was encrypted for all we know their version of encryption is a passworded zip file.

I would still be very cautious over the card info, at the least monitoring them.

I would still be very cautious over the card info, at the least monitoring them.

Agreed there. And there's still the password issue. If it wasn't so serious it would be funny to watch what happens when 70 million users try to change it during Tuesday.

That's if they manage it by then. I'm not too hopeful to be honest.

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I suspect sony will rush the return of PSN, which will cause tons of instability down the line. I'd be cautious of its return.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/29/sony_playsta...

Edited to add:.
...And it just shows you yet another reason why I do not allow even my PC to auto-update etc.

*Guesty shows that even if you ARE paranoid, that it doesn't mean that they are not going to get you...

Edited by Guest_Again (Today at 12:03:15)

Edited by deleted (Sat 30-Apr-11 12:07:00)

In reply to a post by FireFalcon:

Sony are primarily working from japan (where firmwares come from) and US (where infrastructure and back end is mostly setup), SCEE's limitedly involved, they just look after their part of the online services. I doubt bank holiday has anything to do with it.

I was joking about the bank holiday thing

Wish I could afford one :/

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

When the network is back I will change my passwords and monitor my credit card bill. I'm certainly not scrapping all my credit cards and waiting weeks for new ones, based on conspiracy theories.

Hopefully not famous last words!

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I didn't risk it. I changed my card even though I never used it on PSN

Eh? Buy all your bits second hand. Preferably stock clocked stuff that people take pride over by taking pics of it. You can get a 4890 for around £70 or less, or a GTX 275 for £75.

My 2nd pc is still rocking a 8800GTX and a Q6600 to play WoW on high at 1440x900.
Played Bulletstorm on high at 1080p with my 4870 512mb (hitting the vram ceiling now) with a i5 750 and 8gb of ram. Ram is probably better to buy 1st hand since the low prices makes it hard for people to part with their ram for bargain prices.

Kevin Poulsen's piece, PlayStation Network Hack: Who Did It? also makes for interesting reading (particularly the last paragraphs).

Until Sony own up and give more information about who they believe actually carried out the attack then you've got to assume it was done for purely criminal reasons, nothing to do with proving a point etc.

If it were me, I'd be thinking about changing passwords and email addresses for any sites that held sensitive personal and/or financial information if they shared any critical user details like passwords, dob profile etc (like Facebook, Amazon and so on). At first, I was more inclined to feel this whole event had limited fall out but now I can't help but feel the lid on the proverbial can of worms is only just beginning to come off.

I'm wondering when/if this will ever happen to STEAM? I hope Valve have a better grasp on security than Sony. If they were breached then I'd have a lot of account changing to do.

With steam guard and stuff in place i'd say no, Gabe threw the challenge down with steamguard at an event a few months back, i havent heard of it being cracked. I would say valve is smart enough to properly encrypt stuff too.

Sonys downfall was pretty much built on their own arrogance, they didnt bother dealing with the issues when they first happened, they just tried to sue the world and now someone basically walked right up behind them and smashed their legs out from under them. Kinda had it coming.

Only time will tell if sony learns important lessons from everything thats happened recently

In reply to a post by FireFalcon:

With steam guard and stuff in place i'd say no, Gabe threw the challenge down with steamguard at an event a few months back, i havent heard of it being cracked. I would say valve is smart enough to properly encrypt stuff too.

That's reassuring to know. A much healthier attitude to show an interest in inviting people to actually test your security features out. One of the researchers commenting on the Sony story said that was the way internet companies should do things - by publishing details about their security and getting people to test it out for them rather than just being secretive and then failing catastrophically with no comeback at all, other than pulling the plug as Sony have done.

Still, it does make you wonder if you shouldn't revise your own personal security system. I'm not a total idiot when it comes to password security but I could do better. I rely on too few email addresses I think. Time for a change. Maybe. I should stop using 'password' for all my accounts I suppose.

On 1 May 2011, Sony Computer Entertainment (SCE) and Sony Network Entertainment International (SNEI, the company) announced they will shortly begin a phased restoration by region of PlayStation Network and Qriocity services, beginning with gaming, music and video services to be turned on.

The company also announced both a series of immediate steps to enhance security across the network and a new customer appreciation programme to thank its customers for their patience and loyalty.

Following a criminal cyber attack on the company's data centre located in San Diego, California, USA, SNEI quickly turned off PlayStation Network and Qriocity services, engaged multiple expert information security firms over the course of several days, and conducted an extensive audit of the system.

Since then, the company has implemented a variety of new security measures to provide greater protection of personal information. SNEI and its third party experts have conducted extensive tests to verify the security strength of PlayStation Network and Qriocity services.

With these measures in place, SCE and SNEI plan to start a phased roll-out by region of the services shortly. The initial phase of the roll-out will include, but is not limited to, the following:

* Restoration of online gameplay across PlayStation 3 and PSP systems, including titles requiring online verification and downloaded games.
* Access to Q Music Unlimited for PS3/PSP for existing subscribers.
* Access to account management and password reset.
* Access to download unexpired movie rentals on PS3, PSP and Media Go.
* PlayStation Home.
* Friends List.
* Chat functionality.




http://uk.playstation.com/psn/news/articles/detail/i...

http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/05/01/2256239/Son...

Hmm, it was only 10 million that need to be changed. It was almost serious!

It will hurt Sony a good bit. Confidence is zero.

Personally feel the 10 million figure is the start of Sony damage limitation . 10 sounds allot better than 77 million .

Truth is nobody but Sony will know the true extent of what has happened , I'm confident of the fact , by Sony behaviour so far on this subject , not exactly forth coming with information , don't see that changing in the future .

Don't doubt that for a second. Sony has truely been pwned.

Let it be the beginning of the end for all.

This Millenium is based on GREED, and it would be good to see THAT end.

*Guesty moves off of his Golden LG Electronic Soap-Box v7.
**This post isn't endorsed by Game-Fast - Like Working Out, But It's For The PSN. NO POINT[S]!!

Just look at how sony have handled this, I wouldnt trust anything they say, their "compensation" is extremely weak too... Playstation plus for a month (which gives you a free game per month IIRC) and some other sony services.

And here we go round again!!

http://techland.time.com/2011/05/02/sony-says-%E2%80...

What does "to my knowledge" mean!!

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And then perhaps some fighting talk over the encryption debate? Sounds pretty solid to me if you read the link on encryption.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/02/playstatio...

http://www.infocellar.com/networks/Security/hash.htm

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http://uk.kotaku.com/5797858/more-than-12700-credit-...

Here we go again lol

The credit card data stolen, however, comes from an outdated database from 2007. That database contained 12,700 non-U.S. credit or debit card numbers and expiration dates, along with the direct debit information for 10,700 customers in Austria, Germany, Netherlands and Spain....

.....Update: Sony Online Entertainment has issued a notification assuring customers that current credit card information has not been compromised. "There is no evidence that our main credit card database was compromised. It is in a completely separate and secured environment."

So the only credit card details taken were out of date and the main PSN credit card database was not compromised, but luckily it was only 10,700 europeans that had their bank account information exposed. Why didn't they just say that in the first place. Because it doesn't count if its only 10,000 odd europeans does it?

Probably just badly worded by a U.S. journalist, but either way Sony's PR people (Pointless Reaction department) want shooting.

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"We discovered that the intruders had planted a file on one of our Sony Online Entertainment servers named �Anonymous� with the words �We are Legion.�

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/04/sonys-resp...

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Sure they did....

For an attack of such magnitude i would extremely doubt its Anon, it just has too much brains behind it.... or perhaps i'm thinking of this the wrong way round, maybe sonys structure setup was so retarded anyone could poke through it.

http://slashdot.org/story/11/05/05/1455249/Sony-Runn...

LOL seems the latter version of thinking was correct

"Security experts monitoring open Internet forums learned months ago that Sony was using outdated versions of the Apache Web server software, which "was unpatched and had no firewall installed." The issue was "reported in an open forum monitored by Sony employees" two to three months prior to the recent security breaches."

1. Does that mean moderators or tech staff?
2. Volunteers or employees?
3. Why did the "experts" not elevate it to the level you might expect if they knew this was happening?

The answer is that most of the accusations are "told you so" and "hindsight opinion".

I don't like Sony. That's because I own Sony stuff, it doesn't generally work in harmony with anything else, and it's expensive.

I don't like greedy business practice and could argue all night that an unregulated market is not a free market, but more a free for all. But Sony have the right to protect their product, as consumers have the right to vote with their feet and not buy it.

The lack of facts might mean a massive international cover up. More likely a massive international "make it up as you go along". Whether or not huge amounts of fraud take place, more attacks take place or all of this ends like the millennium bug or mad cow disease, one thing is for certain.
Aside all of the semantics, a significant spattering of vitriol within the online community (aimed at sony before the attack), has tainted the discussion and makes a balanced position very difficult to find.

A few years ago, wasn't Microsoft the target?

http://www.mp3car.com/attachments/general-hardware-d...

Like it says down there.

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The one thing that gets me about the Sony Fiasco is the lack of information about when the service will resume,it was reported by a so called reliable source before last weekend that the network would be back up and running Tuesday gone.

Now 17 days later we are still in the dark regarding WHEN the service will be back online,even doing a search via Google does not exactly give you anything regarding this problem.

I mean am i alone in thinking that everyday this service is down it must be costing Sony Millions of Dollars,i prefer when multi format games are released to get that said game on the P3,but now i am seriously considering changing to the 360.

Sony only saving grace is that this has happened at a time with very few gaming releases and like i said in a previous post had this happened before last November [Black Ops] Or this November [Battlefields,New Cod] just imagine the revenue lost.

If the service has not resumed by Monday at the latest then my pre/order of Brink [next week] will go onto the 360 with LA Noir the following week also a distinct possibility.

You would have thought that the least that they could do was send out emails in the form of some apology...........What have i had and i am a Playstation plus Subsciber..............Zippo.............Or are they only intent on sending out apologies once they realise the possibility of someones CC being hacked.

My pc is linked to my playstation network account and i get plenty of Junk email regarding games on the psn and special offers from the Network so there is no excuse and Sony needs to take a really long look at how they treat there loyal fan base.

Couldn't agree more mate.

I really don't believe that things are as bad for the general PS3 user as the hype insists. If you have a jacked console then that is probably a different matter.

I don't believe that tech people there are incompetent. Systems like that can't be run by rank amateurs. And the same protagonists are telling us all that Sony's systems are not 100% secure on one hand, and that no system can be 100% secure on the other.

Some points will be valid, others not. But the reaction to misinformation from Sony's PR machine is to say nothing. And that is the bit I blame Sony for. I have reasonable experience of running large installation contracts in a multi trade environment. And when the s**t hits the fan everybody takes a defensive position.

But not keeping the client informed is the biggest mistake you can possibly make if you want to keep him as your client. And in this case it is 50+ million clients.

I won't be swapping to 360 and couldn't justify the expense of two consoles at the moment anyway. But when the next gen consoles arrive (whether 3 or 5 years away) I probably won't be a Playstation owner.

Once bitten twice shy and all that.
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And on an unrelated note T2D, where have your dulcet tones been hiding over the Easter fiasco?
Weather was great so a nice holiday perhaps?

Been very quiet on here in general.
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Edited by mrnelster (Fri 06-May-11 08:16:52)

Follow the Howard Stringer link.

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2011/05/06/update-on-...

Too little to late? And probably still no play this weekend either.

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2011/05/06/important-...
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Sometimes i choose to take a back seat mate and watch to see other threads develop from people like yourself and a few others.

I tend to think i contribute quite a bit to the gaming forum even though some may think its dribble or repeated.

On the rare occasions i leave it for 2 or 3 days hoping there are many informative posts but sadly when i have logged on you get 1 or 2 replies and if its people that don't normally post then they are normally one liners

Have not said Much regarding Sony because yourself and the regulars have been doing that for me,what i would post is far to strong for these boards and T2D has been watching the Sony Debacle closely believe me.

Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the office window of the board room meeting full of top Sony Executives.

As for the Sony service mate when it does return [eventually] then you got to download Outland.............Class game mrnelster and with online co/op to boot.

Whats on the horizon for you mate in the way of games,does Brink or LA Noir interest you,Brink been a Team Based Multiplayer FPS and LA Noir from Rockstar the developers of GTA series and my favourite game of 2010 Red Dead Redemption.

No holidays mate but spent plenty of time outside with a Glass or 6 of Pimms with the next door neighbours...............Must be getting old as its not the thing i normally drink.

My drinking days are long gone about 20 years ago and i am only partial now to a lager on really hot days...................I have a favourite at the moment called Amigos or Desperado..............Its tequila flavoured lager and its really really nice especially freezing cold...............ummmm Taste it now

Just stocked the fridge up with it actually................

Excuse the above paragraph as it has nothing to do with gaming but i wanted you to see it and not be put in another section,to be honest i dont ever visit any of the other forums unless i have issues that i can not resolve.

Edited by time2die (Fri 06-May-11 13:54:29)

Nice find mate but again i point out the obvious and its called a time frame ?

Is it that hard when you have so called Top technicians to give us some sort of reliable date as to when the Network will be back up and running,i dare say the mass hysteria that will be when millions logging on to change there passwords will be the next thing to bring the servers down 10 minutes after they have been reinstated.

Basically what is that informative post actually telling the like of me and you and millions of others NOTHING that was not reported by Sony 2 weeks ago,same old dribble,no commitment to any date or time frame and it kind of sucks BIGTIME

I have not even bothered to switch my Playstation on for the past few weeks as i am sure it will be on the 6 o clock news when they finally get the service running.

The more i think about how long this is taking the more i am tempted to switch pre/orders quicker than the time i said i would give them to get it going and that is this Monday coming.

That will be around 3 weeks Playstation network down and with Brink out on Friday it makes me think of terrible problems with the service and best go for the 360 version even though 99% of the time i would go with the Playstation 3 version.

Edited by time2die (Fri 06-May-11 14:07:51)

No holidays mate but spent plenty of time outside with a Glass or 6 of Pimms with the next door neighbours...............Must be getting old as its not the thing i normally drink.

LOL! Ditto. Went o a barby over easter and Pimms was all that was going as it was a "respectable do". Turned my nose up a bit, but after an hour I was glugging it down happily! Not my usual choice either but it goes down far too easily on hot day.

As for Sony your right as usual. When the marketing machine goes into action it doesn't matter what the tech guys think. It's all about PR and damage limitation.

I work with a friend who is a millionaire many times over through owning and running a civil engineering company. He has always looked after me and now we have a business together in the form of a renewable energy company, working on larger scale projects. We finished the last big project just before christmas at the Open University in Milton Keynes, producing 1100litres of hot water a day via a solar thermal panel installation on the roof of their new technical headquarters. Very intimidating project in such clever surroundings, but we managed to pull it off.

Trouble is the marketing guy earned more than we did out of it! As far as I'm concerned marketing is the route of all evil, but you can't do larger scale operations without it. You've got to be in it to win it as they say, and you need them to get you in the door. If he gets us in a few more and I make a few quid out of it, perhaps I will find it easier to tolerate him. Whilst not compromising my principles you understand

So I can imagine being a fly on the wall in that meeting, all the money men looking for someone else to blame!

Anyway, I digress. As for Outland I will give it a go when it comes onto the Store. It will make an interesting change to FPS while I wait for BF3 in the autumn, especially since you enlightened me about Sniper. I thought it looked a fair game, so I'm glad I posted before buying it!

Still undecided about Brink though. Might wait for a while and see how that one turns out. There seems to be a lot of options within game, but I' dont really see them working that well to be honest. Especially if the maps are not that large.

Unfortunately I am gagging for some online play and have been trying to sign in most evenings. Pretty lame I know, but watching the telly is driving me mental!
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I was thinking about you and your connections wows the other day and not that i meant to have a slight giggle to myself but you finally get a decent connection and the PSN goes down and you can not really give it the test your connection deserves.

Brink does look quite deep i grant you that and the customization seems very detailed and time consuming and looks like it needs something i lack..........Patience !!!

Its a FPS and as long as it hits decent scores im sold even though when i watch some of the multiplayer vids it looks very much Team Fortress and graphics are not exactly next generation.

If its good mate i will post on here after a few hours of single player and i might just have 10 minutes online for a quick test.

Pimms is a nice refreshing drink on a Hot day with the added fruit and ice and i kind of look forward to them now and its something myself and the girlfriend have grown fond of .

The Gaming forums are normally quiet mate apart from the few regulars,sunshine and nice weather makes them even worse for new posts but that understandable i guess.

First thing i do when i log on is come to these forums to see what is going hoping there is a topic that gets me typing.

Laugh? I nearly cried! That said though the downloads are mad on the right site. I downloaded the iTunes update the other day. 98MB in just over 20 seconds. Awesome. Then it took 45 minutes to install the [censored] thing! Horrible program.

Anyway, I used to be a Resistance man, mainly because it was the first next gen game I played, coming with the console. And it was my first experience of online multiplayer.

I liked Resistance 2 but found the story uninspiring second time round. Not Nathan Hale's fault as a character, just too much of the same story wise. And I really didn't like the new online multiplayer. The co-op was ok, but didn't get on with the MP.

Now I'm looking at the third installment with a new main character, mainly for old times sake but I will probably enjoy it. But I'm starting to get interested in Rage aswell. I'm not sure why yet, but I've heard rumblings of "love it or hate it" as far as the multiplayer goes. Gonna have a root around over the weekend to find opinion as to why. But the FPS/RPG thing is appealing and the graphics look really nice.

But those words "high frame rate" are getting mentioned again. And that always makes me worry about the PS3 version on multiplatform releases.

That said, it grabs me much more than Brink does.

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And there we have it. The grand product of all the unfounded hysteria.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/05/sony-offer...

Would any corporation offer this service if there was any real danger of massive fraud and identity theft? Not likely. It could bankrupt them. Some very rich people are rubbing there hands together right now, as they prepare to make even more money from scare mongering, initiated by those within the same industry that should probably know better.

Self fulfilling prophecy springs to mind.

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Yeah that itunes is a pain in the backside and is mighty frustrating waiting for the program to install..

I have a version of Rage on my Ipad downloaded from itunes,i hope the console version is a different game as the ipod game is not that exciting to be honest.

Just been looking at the latest PSN news which is basically none and i very much doubt this service will be back on this weekend.

Why is it that Sony thinks that the only people who have Sony Playstation 3 are Americans,when the fact is Europe has a far bigger data base and Americans own more 360 consoles than P3.

Whenever there is a new game on the network Europe normally gets shafted and when we get our update its really bland to say the least.

Never get the same content as the Usa and Jap Stores and Sony tend to treat us with contempt time and time again.

Should be 1 store for all and all content and firmware updates and the stuff you listed in the thread should be standard across the board.

Or is it because the Senate want explanations regarding the private data possible theft and the Uk government as usual have said and done nothing.

May be our Country and others should stand up against the likes of Sony and take a leaf out of the Americans book and take a similar view.

So basically we login eventually and are prompted with a firmware update and all we get as credit card holders stored online [me and millions of others] is a password change.

And the Americans get the other option.........Seems really fair Sony........NOT.

Sony seem content to keep shooting themself in the foot and the people that actually run Sony and the Gaming division need throwing out.

Never get the same content as the Usa and Jap Stores and Sony tend to treat us with contempt time and time again.

I didn't realise that. Do you know what sort of things?

If there is a bias towards SCEE, the cop out will be it is due to regulation differences across the multiple territories of Europe. That's the one that's normally wheeled out in this type of situation.

Might be worth stimulating some debate on the PSN forums while they are on the back foot I think.

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I'll wait and see some more reviews for rage. Hopefully it is a better game than that version.
I looked at Skyrim but it hasn't rang my bell as of yet. Wasn't impressed visually, but I might be wrong.

Your lack of response probably hints to your feelings about Resistance, lol!

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Here is my honest take on Resistance and Resistance 2.........You are not going to like what i have to say mate...........I was totally hyped up for the first game and when i actually got it i thought it was the biggest load of **** i had ever had the misfortune of buying.

I felt cheated as the game play and look of the game fell well short of the videos and previews of the game,what gets me to this day is many people including yourself think its a great game and that's all fine and dandy and we all have different likes and dislikes.

But after saying that i really like the look of the new Resistance 3 due this year sometime but i am more hyped up and looking forward to Infamous 2 in a few weeks ,now the first game was great and the second looks AWESOME

There were different divisions of SCEE for different regions and the content is quite different depending on where you live.

I done what the majority did do and that was create different accounts for different regions so i could login to the Jap and Us stores.

But you could only download demos of games from those regions because the credit card had to be from that country.

There was a way around it at some point using something called Entropay but i think that stopped ,it was like a pre/paid visa card and you could add funds and hey presto download whatever you wanted.

I got bored with the Jap store as reading Japanese is not my thing and at times it got quite complicated working out what link to click on for the right content.

There are plenty of videos on Utube on making different PSN accounts for different regions.

There stores have far more content than the European equivalent and there are many occasions when a game released over there takes weeks/months for it to appear on our store,they have far more game demo so you can decide if the game is worth your money where our store you don't get a demo version just the game.

They get at least double the content each week and only a couple of times a year do we actually get something before them.

Also, look out for more information on the rest of our Welcome Back programme, including which free content you will be eligible for. We will be offering PSN users the opportunity to select two PS3 games from a list of five, as well as offering PSP users the opportunity to choose two games from a list of four. We will let you know exactly what games are available very soon.

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/

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And i bet these games are Ancient or they know that the Majority of us will already have them..

Was just reading about the delay and what to expect when apparently it comes on early next week............PLAYSTATION UPDATE

Tell me more about your service provider mrnelster as i am intrigued,i clicked on your link and saw the name Aquiss and then went to there website to check it out.

Downloaded there shedule for there rollout of there FFTP service but seems its not coming to my exchange in Gloucestershire district.

Its Fibre optic service i think isn't it.

Check your telephone number here if you haven't already.

https://www.btwholesale.com/pages/static/Community/B...

It should tell you when FTTC is due in your area (if at all). If not then email an enquiry to Aquiss and they should point you to an open reach list of areas to be enabled.

It is fibre to cabinet with 40 down and 10 up max, and at the moment is only available from BT Wholesale, but you can buy it from re-sellers as I have. It's more expensive that way, but I don't ever want to deal with BT again as long as I live.

Check out the Fibre Broadband forum for the detail. RobertoS and Orly have compiled lists of providers and prices etc. Very useful mate.

I don't really seem to be getting a much improved latency (not in game anyway), and I'm not sure why yet, router perhaps. But the download speeds are a revelation for me at 4.25MB ish.

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Was just reading about the delay and what to expect when apparently it comes on early next week............PLAYSTATION UPDATE

Interesting. A better experience all round is more important than free games.

I won't hold my breath just yet though.

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http://pastehtml.com/view/1eejiqj.html

Robertos has helped me out in the past with private messages and he certainly knows his stuff that is a Fact.

Is there nothing this guy does not know about Broadband...................I am not to bothered as my connection is really good with Xilo as i get stable pings and 12 meg download speeds...............It costs around £30 a month and for that i get 75 gig download limit which i have never actually reached but once in the last 18 months.

But anything that is actually better has to interest me as a gamer ?

That link is just a Broadband checker and does not give me the information i require regarding FFTP...........It just tells me what i already know mate and that is i can get a download speed of 12 meg and a upload of 1 meg which i have.

Took a quick glance at the fibre forum but can not find the link you suggest in the mass of posts on there.

FTTP is fibre to the premises and is pretty rare at the moment. We have it here in Milton Keynes but only on 1 exchange because it is one of the trial areas.

Most places are having FTTC rolled out, fibre to the cabinet. The speed you get is related to how close you are to your street cabinet. If it was due to be rolled out it would state the date and estimated speed on that checker, below the other speeds you read.

If it wasn't on the other list you saw on the Aquiss website either, then unfortunately you probably aren't on the current rollout phase. You could try the SamKnows website in the FTTx section. That site tells you when your exchange is due to be enabled for fibre. The cabinets would come after that date. Even then they are not enabling all the cabinets from enabled exchanges. It's a bit of a lottery to be fair.

Luckily you have a reasonably decent connection anyway.

T2D, do you have your PS3 in the DMZ of your router mate?

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Mmmm, Very interesting in particular, "thus likely to be criminal negligence". This is a huge mess for Sony, depending on what view you have, they do have some hard decisions to make! Which i think will have them behaving differently.

Big talk as usual from them, but this isn't Hollywood.

And when the FBI catch up with them?

They won't forgive.
They won't forget.
Expect them to cry for their mums.

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Edited by mrnelster (Mon 09-May-11 00:27:29)

T2D, do you have your PS3 in the DMZ of your router mate?


That's a good question so i will open up the router now and take a look....Hold fire ?

Looks like the answer is no mate and i just let the netgear router do its stuff and to be honest i don't have any problems.

Had to actually look what DMZ was mate and what effect it has and what people use it for.........Is it the Playstation network address or something and its what you put in manually and not have it on automatic like mine.

I do a lot of downloading so i was a little envious of your speeds and just thought i would check it out,saying that i have a very stable connection that downloads stuff really quick so i am not complaining...........[touch wood]

My understanding of DMZ is "Demilitarized Zone", and should allow the data to bypass any firewall/processing that the router may have on board. This should help with stable latency.

That's my understanding but I will happily stand corrected if somebody knows better! I haven't tried it with my ps3 yet because the PSN has been down so long and also because I have just bought a lynksys cable router for 15 quid in a stock clearance to check if my new netgear is causing problems. I am not getting the stable latency I would expect on FTTC, being only 150m or so from my street cabinet.

I've recently bought the Netgear wndr3300 cable router for the new fibre connection and I am not to impressed with it's performance. I need to check if it's faulty or just s**te before I start looking for other reasons, such as interference or congestion.

The sooner I get time to sort out a proper network, the better.

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Has everybody left the gaming forums or gone on holiday as it seems there are only 2 people each day posting on here and that is us to answering each others threads.

The faster this Playstation networks gets going the better for all,its becoming a tad boring and frustrating to be perfectly honest listening to drip fed news with no clear cut resume time.

The Sony intrusion alone compromised 100 million accounts both on the PSN and its Qriocity service, according to Spafford. He also cited the total cost of the breach to Sony, credit card companies, and other outfits, at $21 billion. Thieves in credit-card theft forums actually complained that the PSN breach was so great that it was depressing the price of such information by a �factor of five or 10&#8243; on the black market.

Woahhhh horsey! Run that by me again? Credit card theft forum?

Is 'e 'aving a larf?

No seriously, I give up.

http://www.tmrzoo.com/2011/24599


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If these experts know these forums exist, why isn't something done about them? Does he pass information like this on? Or is he negligent too? We can stop the whole world from finding out whose girlfriend John Terry is gonna pump next, but we can't act on issues like these?

The world's gone mad.

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In reply to a post by time2die:

Has everybody left the gaming forums or gone on holiday as it seems there are only 2 people each day posting on here and that is us to answering each others threads.

Got rid, nice new slim 360!

Got my 360 back in January, PS3 reduced to blu-ray and the odd demo, but the outage put paid to the demo's.

Add hassle factor of getting back on, and am betting a fair few are now locked in cupboards and forgotten.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13636704

Best of luck PSN folk.

That's sony pictures

Is that different then?

Yep.
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It is for me I dont use pictures. As far as I know :/

The fact is it happened. And regardless of any efforts, or lack thereof on Sony�s part it could well happen again. And it could just as easily have been Xbox live, or Battle.net or Steam. As Schneier put it, �Everyone is probably equally sucky.�

http://m.memeburn.com/2011/06/it%E2%80%99s-not-sony%...

Time to let it go
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There are MILLIONS that have been affected, and they [Sony] still haven't really got peoples confidence back - and no blinking wonder.

Yes, it could've happened to many other firms as you say, but it didn't. Sony customers suffered x2.

They have lost faith in them, and Sony STILL haven't sorted it.

I think the comments after the article you posted up for us to read , say it all .

Sony do have to except a portion of the blame for the worlds biggest hack ever and saying it could of happened to anybody , as an excuse for not blaming Sony , is weak at best .

It happened to Sony because they left the door open .

Sony is the victim. I have no allegiance to Sony. But the comments below the articles are just that. Comments. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. But that doesn't make them right. It was a criminal act that inconvenienced a huge number of people.

The point is, that while the comments keep the uneducated opinions flowing from the armchair anarchists, Sony will always be the victim. Girls wearing short skirts don't deserved to be raped. And I don't expect my data to be stolen because smart arsed no marks don't like Sony.

The point of the analogy is that the girl in the short skirt is as easy to attack as the the girl in the raincoat. The unbiased educated opinions (such as those of people like Kaspersky in the article I posted) know that. Thats their expertise.

What will happen if everybody swaps from Sony to Microsoft? The same thing no doubt. My objection is that people should vote with their feet. I don't need these [censored] to take action on my behalf. I'm comfortable with my own ability to make my own choices and fight my own battles. That's why I don't think these attacks are either clever or cool.

And saying someone is asking for it is an attempt at justification, not a defence. It's a bit like Micheal McIntyre. Funny for a bit, but then you just wish he would stop kicking the [censored] out of it.
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Sure, sony is the victim, a victim of their own negligence.

Whether the attacks that happened occured or not, whether people dislike sony or not, the storage of users personal information in just an open and easily accessible like that is just ridicuously in this day and age.

The analogy of the girl in the skirt is all fine and well, but this is the 21st century and im not a fan of it for various reasons (namely to do with a friend and a girl and a girl who changed her mind dragged him through court only to have it proven she was the one wasting peoples time).

You mention if people swapped from Sony to Microsoft? Thats easy to say what happens, Microsoft will be ground into the floor, their enterprise and business software will take a major blow, they'd lose so much more than sony could ever hope to imagine. It'd be so much worse for microsoft, hence why the same sort of thing would probably be much harder to pull off on microsoft as they have some concept of the word "security".

If anything these people should be thanked ensuring sony doesn't pull this stupidity again, imagine if they were people who where much less caring in their work, Sony would be breached, they wouldnt admit to it until its too late and bam, before you know it your card is being used.

The analogy of the girl in the skirt is all fine and well, but this is the 21st century and im not a fan of it for various reasons (namely to do with a friend and a girl and a girl who changed her mind dragged him through court only to have it proven she was the one wasting peoples time).

This statement alone proves exactly why most of what you say is provocative and ridiculous. Apart from the odd sycophant on this forum, the only people that would truly believe that are chauvinists and rapists.
I think your "friend" is the exception to the average case. Or perhaps you think all victims are wrong and somehow "deserve it". And there I was thinking you simply had a problem with Sony.

I'm not trying to be controversial Falcon. It's plain and simply the rules of a normal civilised society. Leaving yourself open to attack doesn't justify it, full stop. I know it hurts to admit it, but whatever spin you want to put on it, you are wrong.
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Oh really? Seems you are rather rilled over this, I don't see why one would want to white knight such an arrogant corporation to start with.

Whether YOU want to admit it or not to a large degree Sony BROUGHT this on themselves, whats worst of all about it is the manner this stuff was stored, people in glass houses much? What adds to it is that the continued attacks show Sony still hasn't learnt lessons.

Do I think all victims "deserve it"? No, i don't, not unless they bring it on themselves. I like how you are implying that my friend doesn't exist, shame cause he really did go through hell with the legal system, discard it if you want, you obviously love wearing your rose tinted glasses. For those who are truly the victim of a crime, no matter if its rape/theft/murder, etc its truly horrid they went through it, but for all those genuine victims there are people who are very bit to blame for what may or may not have happened to them.

Normal civilised society, lol... What you saying is true to the degree that its based on a perfect world model, but guess what, the world isn't perfect, shock horror. Apologise if you lose sleep over that revelation. A normal civilised society goes on the principle of black and white, the world is very much grey.

If you trust so much in what you say why not leave your house doors and windows open and unalarmed? Its equally applicable to this and the very message you are trying to peddle home. Put that "normal civilised society" to the test, I bet you wouldnt, so i don't see why its not a reasonable expecation of companies responsible for MILLIONS of other users data to keep it locked up and safe.

How would you feel if it was say, the UK government who leaked your information? or your bank? etc, would you still defend them if their security was equally as poor? Hoping on a wing and a pray that even though they had no security it in place someone doesnt come calling for it.

The correct course of events would have been to inform Sony of their security weaknesses, and if no action taken, inform the media.

Taking data was criminal. Theft to prove security weakness is never anything but theft. How a company conducts itself is up to the company as long as it does so within the law. Customers are free to choose them or others as they see fit.

People who believe that corporations should be targetted because of their size need to stop and consider a few things. The amount of wealth to employees which might be at stake. The livelihoods of the employees. The costs to end users if costs are incurred by criminal acts against them. And so on. Don't like Microsoft? Don't buy their products. Are BP too big? Shop at Shell. PC World is over-charging? Find a competitor.

How would you feel if it was say, the UK government who leaked your information? or your bank?

A leak is completely different from data theft, in that it's an inside job, but it's still a theft, and not the company's actions or policy, but the actions of one or more employees.

Sony were informed months before, they took no action. What do you think contacting the media would have done? Given their network was so open it would have done nothing but draw attention to it. More so pretty much every major corporation should be running internal network checks to ensure network protection. Its rather amazing they made it this far without a breach.

If information is leaked, just because its out there doesn not mean it won't be used for malicious purposes, pretty much any data out in the public would end up traded and used against what the people involved would want.

Leak/theft/breach/compromised, etc no matter what you call it it means that information has entered the public domain that should have otherwise been kept secure.

Couldn't agree more.
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Normal civilised society, lol... What you saying is true to the degree that its based on a perfect world model, but guess what, the world isn't perfect, shock horror. Apologise if you lose sleep over that revelation. A normal civilised society goes on the principle of black and white, the world is very much grey.

My point entirely. And because it so grey we need laws and regulations to protect people AND companies. As pointed out to you, there are numerous costs and side effects to this type of action, and you seem to think the consumer is generally sympathetic.

You are right, it is the 21st century and not the 1980's. This is not the miner's strike and the whole country does not have sympathy with computer hackers. They were not helpfully pointing out the network's weak points and you don't know that the issues previously pointed out to them were ignored.

The expert opinion is that everybody's network is probably at similar risk. There have been many others in recent times and they do not get the same level of coverage. Having 70million customers doesn't make you more negligent than a company with 5million customers.

I have told you numerous times, I don't support large corporations full stop. I agree with any of the sentiment you have against Sony. But they don't run my life. I don't feel the need to chastise them any more than my bank or my insurance company. The only White knighting going on is you with your "hackers rule" routine. And those hackers inconvenienced me.

You don't use the PSN and so weren't inconvenienced. If you were you would be "peddling" a different story all together. As the experts said it could just as easily be steam next. But you probably think they are wrong too.
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Sony has broken European law by removing advertised features as a selling point. The court process has already begun although due to money & law and the time it will buy, it looks like it will take some time to complete.

Where ones dress and the risk of rape, Who said this and where are they coming from! This is a very very simplistic view and unrelated rant in reflection of current marches.

Edited by NilSatisOptimum (Mon 06-Jun-11 07:25:17)

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Sony has broken European law by removing advertised features as a selling point. The court process has already begun although due to money & law and the time it will buy, it looks like it will take some time to complete.

Where ones dress and the risk of rape, Who said this and where are they coming from! This is a very very simplistic view and unrelated rant in reflection of current marches.

I haven't got the faintest idea what your post is getting at, neither intellectually or grammatically.
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Leak/theft/breach/compromised, etc no matter what you call it it means that information has entered the public domain that should have otherwise been kept secure.

I'll repeat it. A leak is an inside job. The others generally refer to external threats and/or attacks.

Theft is theft. The hackers are thieves. If hackers want the sympathy of the world, they should knock off organised criminals' bank accounts and donate the proceeds to victims of crime.

Using this analogy to inject some sentiment into the subject is quite abhorrent to me.

In reply to a post by NilSatisOptimum:

Using this analogy to inject some sentiment into the subject is quite abhorrent to me.

And your reply to the other post that thinks that some women are to blame is? If you read the whole post you might see the relevance.

It is a perfectly good analogy because there is no defence, whichever way you try to justify it. If you start with the opinion that people deserve what they get you will never see both sides of any argument. A pre requisite if you believe in any form of civilised society. The obvious point is that theft is theft and rape is rape. However you want to spin it.


The trouble with talking [censored], is when you get found out it's difficult to then talk your way out of it.
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Post deleted by Sadoldman

Edited by deleted (Mon 06-Jun-11 23:27:58)

Post deleted because you provided a link to a link of the source code I believe.

I have no issue with you stating your views but please do not use our forums to disseminate hacked source code.

To turn your very unpleasant analogy into something you can understand ... Sony put on a short skirt and bent over in front of a group of known rapists ...Now what's about to happen to Sony at the hands of those rapists will not be right but be sure its going to happen and at the end of it Sony will be the victim in your eyes . ( as they quite rightly are )

Could Sony have avoided what is about to happen at the hands of those rapists ? Sure they can .

So what im saying is don't be a victim like Sony

I'm sorry if the analogy offends you. It wasn't meant to, and it isn't offensive to refer to it. It is offensive to claim however that you don't like the analogy with reference to how many women "ask fir it" by changing their mind. I'm still awaiting the condemnation of that remark.

To turn your very unpleasant analogy into something you can understand ... Sony put on a short skirt and bent over in front of a group of known rapists ...Now what's about to happen to Sony at the hands of those rapists will not be right but be sure its going to happen and at the end of it Sony will be the victim in your eyes . ( as they quite rightly are )

Could Sony have avoided what is about to happen at the hands of those rapists ? Sure they can .

So what im saying is don't be a victim like Sony

I suggest you re read this. It's either self contradictory, or you have just alleged that girls that bend over in short skirts are asking for it. You'll probably claim that is not what you meant. Neither did I when I used the analogy, but that didn't quantify your response, which I by the way found offensive.

There is a point when people should get over them self and your at that point , you lowered the tone and turned this thread into something else with your analogy and now act the offended , Oh please .

/quit

I'd rather not get over myself. I'd rather you stopped having a pop at me when you don't seem to know what you actually think yourself.

I'm sorry if the analogy offends you. It wasn't meant to, and it isn't offensive to refer to it. It is offensive to claim however that you don't like the analogy with reference to how many women "ask fir it" by changing their mind. I'm still awaiting the condemnation of that remark.

The point is theft is theft. You get over it.
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The analogy used is so vastly more complicated and misplaced with regards Sony outage on a legal and emotional level, where one person can be accused of rape simply by age difference even when both consent and into recognised psychopathic behaviour. Hence why sentencing for this crime is so varied. Its worrying the empathy shown for theft of data can be compared to a violent crime. There is much more appropriate analogy that could be used, such as starting your car and leaving it to defrost unattended which results in the car being stolen, the police will investigate to a point, however you will get very little out of the insurance company because you the owner of that car have responsibility. Compare that to someone forcing their way into the home taking the car key and stealing the car, I have feeling that this theft will be taken far more seriously by the police and insurance company, quite simply theft is not theft. As for the Sony debacle, for me they drew a big great target with regards on who owns the PS3 once purchased rattled the nest and got a very nasty sting with regard to modding. Compare Sony�s stance to Microsoft, who actively encourage the modding of Kinnect, from the individual to NASA. Also deal with pirated games, in my mind the correct way. Of course the access of user�s information myself included was illegal. Indeed I strongly believe the well known protest against Sony in the form of DDoS attacks due to their stance on modding and the accesses of the information are very separate. However was that information stored safely and in the correct manner which Sony is fully responsible.