IPv6

Do IDNet currently support, or have a timetable for supporting, IPv6?

Not on IDnet, but i am using the entanet network, where some people have been using IPv6, the problem here is that it is not worth bothering with at the moment as any Router/modem that supports IPv6 are very expensive and they are few in numbers.

I never understood why Entanet started bothering with it. I know that ISPs will have to start using it internally, in fact I think it is already being used, but no advantage for Joe public at the moment.

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any Router/modem that supports IPv6 are very expensive and they are few in numbers.

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Yes I know

But I think I may need a new router soon, and if IDNet don't support IPv6 yet then I'll get a cheapie, if they do I'll think about a Cisco...

Hi Bill

We have started to deploy IPv6 through our core network but rolling it out to our subscriber base is probably a while away yet.

Cheers
Simon

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a while away

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Thanks Simon. I'm not asking for any specific date, but are we talking months or years? If it's months, I'll continue to eye up a Cisco

What the hell is IPv6 is for ? Is it worth to buy a new router that support IPv6 ?

IPv6, Wiki

Is it worth it... probably not if you only expect a new router to last for a couple of years or less, probably yes if you want it long-term.

I'm fairly sure I'm going to need a new router soon, and I'm fed up replacing it every year or so

I should think within a year. As the IPv4 supply looks like being exhausted in 2-4 years it will certainly happen before then
S

Cheers Simon, time to go and study the Cisco website, then see what's going on eBay

(I like Cisco kit, don't like their prices )

Does my Netgear DG834N Rangemax router support IPv6 ?

Nope... I think a Speedtouch 546 can be hacked, but then it loses much else that makes it a nice router for the price.

Otherwise you're into this sort of price bracket if you can't find it on eBay

I'll pre-empt the next enquiry from Max, No it doesn't give faster download speeds

Wouldn't IPv6 have larger IP headers and therefore more overheads?
So it could in theory reduce the download speed by a small fraction of a %

No, IPv6 is "greener" protocol due to adaptation to todays needs for more data, speed and flexibility - p2p etc - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumbogram .

Having both IPv4 and IPv6 is like having hot and cold water pipes running through the same single tap. You can't get more than the tap, but somethimes hot water gives better pressure and sometimes cold. You have chance to choose and if hot water(lets say it is coming seperaty from street) stops flowing, you can still get cold water..

If you combine IPv4 and IPv6 p2p seeders, you can maximise download speed, especially when some countries have developed IPv6 only networks. Some providers filter p2p on IPv4, but not IPv6, like here - http://www.ipv6.com/articles/blog/Comcast-Verizon-Filtering-P2P-Traffic.htm

Diversification, imagine internet gets flooded on IPv4, you still maintain some access via IPv6.

Yes it might be, that if you are very standard user not using any innovative applications, you might not need to upgrade or to wonder another three years, but otherwise I would rather keep up to date, especially if you are investing in new hardware, using p2p & etc.

I was referring to RFC 2460 (IPv6) and 791 (IPv4) rather than wikipedia. And if you read the rfc 2675 they quote, you'll see that the option is not useful on an ADSL link due to the required fragmentation of your large packets into MTU-sized bits.
So it doesn't improve the link performance. It may, however, make things even worse.

You are talking about the current and I about the future. Who will use adsl in the future?

I was remaining on topic. Sorry if that offends you

I hope when 802.11N has fully launched that Cisco brings out a SOHO router thats got a integrated 1gbps switch and 802.11n wireless capabilites. Oh and also a fiber port just for future proofing lol. That would be awesom, and make things even more attractive to buying Cisco for the average home user

Edited by Bobby_Valentino (Thu 08-May-08 11:54:35)

What advantage will IPv6 be to you? If I am going to spend extra money on any product, I want to know what that extra money is getting me.

My router is still going strong, so not planning to replace it at the moment, I hope it will carry on for another 5 years or more. I don't think we will have to move to IPv6 for at least another ten years as most of this IPv6 stuff will be done via the ISP.

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What advantage will IPv6 be to you?

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Future-proofing.

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My router is still going strong,

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Mine isn't

Fair enough, but is it worth paying a couple of hundred quid for a router that may not be needed for another 10 years? If IPv6 becomes the norm in the next 5 years or so, then the routers will come down in price. I know entanet is mucking around with IPv6 and if you got a modem/router capable of connecting that way, then you can do so, but I think it will be a few years yet until we are forced to do so, Just think that most routers given away by ISP's will never work with IPv6, which means that these ISP's don't have any plans to involve the consumer in IPv6 at the moment.


I could be wrong about the �200 mind you, but the last time I looked theyr was about that price.

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that may not be needed for another 10 years

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Or maybe a lot less...

But then things can be juggled around, Ipv6 can be used internally, which will leave IPv4 addresses available for consumer use.

As I said, ISPs are still giving out Ipv4 routers, they are not going to do that if they have to give new ones out in the next couple of years.

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ISPs are still giving out Ipv4 routers

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You show me an ISP that gives away free routers and I'll show you an ISP that I probably wouldn't touch with a bargepole...

http://www.plus.net/residential/broadband/

I would have added a smiley, but Sadoldman objects to me using them for some reason.

Bt give out free routers and I know I don't like Bt itself, but their broadband is pretty good. BE also give a free router, they call it a wireless modem, but it is a router, so do O2.

i am sure there are other ISPs that give out free routers.

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What advantage will IPv6 be to you?

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Future-proofing.

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My router is still going strong,

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Mine isn't

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Usually expensive and pointless to pre-empt the future - "the future ain't what it it used to be".

Agree, if my router went belly up tomorrow, I would just get another normal router/modem. come to think of it I proberly would buy one from my mate, now that he is with BT and they supply te router, I doubt he will need the other two he have got so I would buy one from him.,


No way would I spend over �200 on something that I did not need./

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No way would I spend over �200 on something that I did not need./

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I thought you bought yourself a PS3?

Need is relative

The difference here is that the PS3 does something that no other device in my house will do, play Blu-ray disks, I can use it as a multimedia syustem, play some games on it, ok the Wii can play games, but the PS3 plays different games.


A router/modem will still get you on the net at the moment, be it IPv4 or IPv6. Just thought it may be best to wait for better and cheaper models to come onto the market in the next few years, which they will do and get a cheaper one for the time being. But it is your money and it is up to you at the end of the day.

/me just ticked the little box on the listing

And I've just bought a new IPv4 router

Ah well, it'll do for a while