Mavericks

Available as free upgrade from the App Store... 5.29GB.

There's a very comprehensive review of it on Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/10/os-x-10-9/

It seems like an obvious upgrade, but I'll do an image of my current setup first. Only thing that I'm not sure of is where OS X Server fits in the picture; that could be a problem.

Edit: Latest I can find out is that 10.8 Server won't run on 10.9 Client. Upgade will be a purchase item, not free. Looks like I won't be upgrading 'till I can find out more. But I may upgrade the clone on an external drive to test things.

Edited by deleted (Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:09)

Thanks, I'll read that properly when I've got a bit more time

At a quick scan it looks like an update worth having, it'll be interesting to see the reactions from ordinary users.

Mavericks Server only went GM a day or two ago (rather annoyingly Apple has taken to calling final RCs GMs). It will be along soon, I suspect.

Only 5.29Gb but took forever to download (over BT Infinity) during the thunderstorm (I like to live dangerously!!)

Then installing took forever too as it seemed to be stuck on 5 mins for 10... Then on reboot it needed another 15 mins to finish the installation, again saying it had less than a minute to go for another 10...


Anyway, it's up and asking for passwords... So I'm going to have a play, I doubt I'll notice much difference.


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One of the first things I found when I did a serious-sized upgrade (from Tiger iirc) was that Apple's "Time remaining" estimates need to be taken with a shipload of salt- it'll finish when it finishes

So I have just found out !

I too downloaded it during a thunderstorm. Can't see much different myself as yet.

I suspect downloading on the first day has a material impact on download times!

Server:

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/id714547929

In reply to a post by ian_c:

I suspect downloading on the first day has a material impact on download times!

LONAP traffic

Apple and Microsoft seem to share the same wonky clock.

In reply to a post by Sark:

Apple and Microsoft seem to share the same wonky clock.

They got it from London Underground

Well, at least it wasn't Swiss Railways.

I needed to reinstall Java (for Eclipse) and VirtualBox to get them working, but otherwise everything seems to work so far. It's a bit slow because I'm running from an external USB drive but it looks good to transfer it to my hard disk (assuming SuperDuper works!).

I've updated to the latest Safari and iTunes, but I'll wait a bit before committing to Mavericks.

That's why I'm running it from a USB drive for the moment. I can revert with just a reboot, if necessary. I know how difficult Apple make it to downgrade when you have made changes!

I'm going to give it a go on my iMac tonight. (too busy at work yesterday - did not get home until 23:30 )

Apparently the Mail client doesn't sit well with Gmail�

Not a problem for me as nor do I

I'm a tad concerned - not yet got Mavericks.

Some years ago I had Gmail downloading to my MacBook [ to sure if it was the MB or the MBP :( ] and it totally fouled things up - filled my hard drive in minutes flat. Went into Apple and after a while they were unable to really deal with it - so kept that for use on the Web.

Why am I worried now - NTL/Virgin uses the Gmail interface thingy so I hope it doesn't mess things up for me WHEN I decide to grab Mavericks. I'm used to MacMail and don't want to try something else.

That's a new one on me, and I don't believe it. I've never had any problems with GMail on OS X and I haven't noticed any with Mavericks. (Hotmail accounts are more of a problem with Mail telling me it can't log on.) As GMail is my main mail account this would be a show-stopper if true.

I get the impression (from both the article and the few comments that I've read) that he's talking about IMAP. and that POP3 is OK.

That may or may not answer you or Goldie

No, I use IMAP whenever possible. But GMail has been fine with Mountain Lion.

Use Gmail with imap, only account in mail in Mavericks. Haven't seen any problems at all.
Working in tandem with ios7 mail too.

Suppose I'm just going to have to grit my teeth and get on with it .

In reply to a post by AEP:

There's a very comprehensive review of it on Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/10/os-x-10-9/

The review suggests it can prolong battery life significantly so I may upgrade my MacBook Pro 13" 2009. I'm waiting a couple of weeks for any bugs to surface though.

I just hope my Flying Toasters screensaver works on Mavericks

Edited by caffn8me (Wed 23-Oct-13 19:45:53)

In reply to a post by goldenoldie:

Suppose I'm just going to have to grit my teeth and get on with it .

I think I'll wait a while� it doesn't do anything new that I particularly need.

The review suggested it was more useful to laptop users than those with desktops.

It actually feels quite a lot more "snappy" on my Mac Mini (allowing for the fact that I'm running it off a USB drive). Perhaps this memory compression really works.

I've just managed to lock my Mac up completely running the Android emulator under Eclipse. And when I tried to SSH in I was told "Invalid Password" (it wasn't). Machine eventually went crazy with the fans going full speed and I had to power it off. That's not good.

I've just started doing Android development on the Mac, so that's a showstopper. Now I've got to decide whether to switch to my Windows machine (which is a bit noisy) for development or forget Mavericks for the time being. I suspect it'll be the latter.

Couple of people I know on another forum installed it today� and tomorrow they're going back to Mountain Lion.

Think I'll wait for 10.9.1� or maybe .2

Done it - a bit on the slow side at the end - only snag was remembering one of my passwords

Green desktop has been changed - now a decent shade of blue - not as attention seeking.

MacMail seems to be OK as does everything else I've tried

My desktop is blue anyway- you can change it in SysPrefs => General. I don't remember changing it when I installed ML, but maybe I did

I'm glad its working for you, seems to be a bit variable for some reason. I still think I'll leave it

Oh I'd changed it in Mountain too

This green for Mavericks really made me unhappy - the top menu bar was hectic - couldn't stand it - as soon as mail was open it was into Prefs and choose a better [ to my mind] desktop

In reply to a post by billford:

Couple of people I know on another forum installed it today� and tomorrow they're going back to Mountain Lion.

Think I'll wait for 10.9.1� or maybe .2

Trouble-free upgrade on the oldest machine Mavericks supports.

Ive installed it on two iMacs a Macbook Pro and a Macbook Air with no problems except a small one with gmail.
My work uses google apps (I know we are a charity and its now free in the UK), The issue was that on everything except the Macbook Air my Inbox was fine but on the Macbook Air could I get it to show all my messages in the inbox! I use IMAP and did a search around. It was suggested to go into settings for gmail in the web version and under Labels in System Labels remove the tick from All Mail - show in IMAP and hey presto I now have all my emails in Macmail on my Macbook Air (There must be something not quite right but at least its working for now).

Edited by deleted (Thu 24-Oct-13 08:48:09)

Still no problems - first Time Machine Back up did seem to take ages - the SuperDuper one had no problem.

Everything still fine this am. Even got a couple of things to update this morning - Aperture and Camera RAW - no problem with them either.

It was done yesterday morning early New York time by my Pal over there - he's had no problems since either

OK. I've done further testing on the crash that I mentioned and it is consistently reproducible. The machine locks solid with (apparently) 100% CPU usage. It can be pinged but not reached via any other means. It's a long time since I saw behaviour like this on any operating system, and I've used plenty.

I suspect that the problem is being caused by the Intel HAX driver, but an OS that cannot recover from an error in a third-party application is of little use to me. Back to Mountain Lion until either Apple or Intel come up with a solution.

In reply to a post by AEP:

OK. I've done further testing on the crash that I mentioned and it is consistently reproducible. The machine locks solid with (apparently) 100% CPU usage. It can be pinged but not reached via any other means. It's a long time since I saw behaviour like this on any operating system, and I've used plenty.

Windows NT 3.51 locked up if a backup was scheduled to an internal DAT tape drive and the inserted tape was write protected.

When my team reported this to Microsoft they responded; "Dang, if I didn't think this report was bogus when it first came in but we've been able to reproduce it. It's a bad one."

I think yours falls into that category too.

In reply to a post by billford:

Couple of people I know on another forum installed it today� and tomorrow they're going back to Mountain Lion.

Think I'll wait for 10.9.1� or maybe .2

why?

Typical APE attempt at trashing Apple.

I suspect you do not even have any Apple equipment, or are capable of using it.

In reply to a post by NaNook:

Typical APE attempt at trashing Apple.

I suspect you do not even have any Apple equipment, or are capable of using it.

I think AEP has probably used more Apple equipment as a professional than YOU have. Besides, I thought everyone could use Apple equipment because it was so much easier and 100% self explanatory?

Edited by Pipexer (Thu 24-Oct-13 15:57:11)

Turns out that I'm not the only one with this problem:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19243490/android-...

It's been reported to Intel so hpoefully there will be an update to HAX soon. Apparently there was a similar problem initially with Mountain Lion.

Good; Mavericks seems to be a worthwhile upgrade apart from this. And I guess there are not a huge percentage of the OS X user base doing Android development.

Well I downloaded and installed the OS/X last night,took about 15 minutes to download and about 1 hour to install,had a quick look then went to bed.

Got up this morning and I noticed it booted really slow and then I had the coloured wheel whirling away,eventually after it loaded and all the icons where in place I thought I would take a look at what has changed but then the problems started.

Every single item in the dock I clicked on said it was not Compatable with the OS/X,safari ,settings,mail ,activity monitor ,Chrome,every single thing I clicked on would not work with with the compatability error.

Rang Apple Care and they ran through some things to try out like using Dusk Utility and trying a repair,after spending the best part of 1 hour and nothing working it was then suggested a reinstall of the OS.

Since I have done this a few hours ago things seem to be working but I still think its a lot slower for some unknown reason,not desperately slow but slower than Mountain Lion.

Not really sure what the benefits of this new mavericks is to be honest as I didn't see much on the Apple store regarding this that I thought was just what I needed.

I always update so when I saw it on the forums and the fact I was awake half the night I thought I would download and install it.

Anyone else have any similar issues....

Edited by time2die (Thu 24-Oct-13 18:22:03)

Apart from the one problem - which is, unfortunately, a killer for me, but unlikely to affect many people - Mavericks worked very well for me. If anything it seemed snapier than Mountain Lion. This is on a 2011 Mac Mini server.

From what I have seen it looks pretty nice ,like when you search the internet sites and the menu is different on the left panel .

Will look later this evening and guess I will look up some videos about this OS.

There is some talk that Apple may not provide any further security updates for versions of OS X earlier than Mavericks, including security problems that Maverick fixes. If so there may be little choice about upgrading.

How little you assume!

In reply to a post by billford:

Apparently the Mail client doesn't sit well with Gmail�

Not a problem for me as nor do I

Fairly comprehensive analysis of the Gmail issue

AEP - 30+ (?) years working in the IT sector both as a hobbyist and professional, thousands of posts made here related technical discussion. As far as I am aware IT is not your occupation, and in addition to that I don't see you posting anything on these forums regards technical discussion.

Assumption indeed!

Oh and by the way - YOU was the first person in this thread to make a snide comment, not myself or AEP.

In reply to a post by ian_c:

Trouble-free upgrade on the oldest machine Mavericks supports.

I am aware I can probably find this out by googling but just out of interest could you post how old said machine is (year), and what its specifications are (CPU, memory, HDD space) please?

Core 2 Duo MBP, mid-07, 2.4ghz

4GB of Crucial Ram; 160gb HDD

You haven't a clue.

While this warning is attached to a single post, there have been several posts by you (NaNook) that appear to exist for no other reason to create a reaction that is negative in an attempt to start a bickering match.

Can I suggest you cease this pattern or posting rights will be ceased.