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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Fri 13-Apr-12 22:13:59
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Orange broadband issues - getting slower - your help please


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Over the last week or so I haven't noticed that my Internet is getting slower so did speedtest using speedtest.net and only got 1.8mb. I ran same test over few days different times and same. Now back in December last year it was about 5.0mb.

Is there anything I can do to improve it again or is there fault with my line?

Is there anymore tests I can do or more information I can provide to help diagnose the problem?

I'm with orange with original livebox.
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(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 07:52:42
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You need to find your router stats (attenuations, sync rates, margins). See http://kitz.co.uk/adsl/frogstats.php for help.

You may have suffered a "noise" event which may have temporarily affected your speeds or a filter may have failed. The stats will help in diagnosis.
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(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 17:07:11
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Just had a look at my settings and these are them

Sync Speed - 8896
Attenuation - 29
SNR Margin - 8.6
Downstream - 8128
Upstream - 448
Dynamic DNS - off

Is there anything else I need to do? Hope this is enough for diagnose.


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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 14-Apr-12 17:48:48
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See if www.speedtester.bt.com will report your IP Profile.

But looking at the router figures, suggestion is that ISP congestion or exchange congestion are a factor rather than your telephone line/modem.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 14-Apr-12 18:41:22
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What exchange? Looks like a 20CN ADSL Max exchange which are often congested.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
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(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 18:43:04
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I keep getting HTTp 500 error on that website speedtester
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 18:44:48
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What exchange? Looks like a 20CN ADSL Max exchange which are often congested.


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 19:01:55
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I got it to work, was just playing up. Here is my results from BT Speedchecker

Download speed achieved during the test was - 1.65 Mbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speeds is 400 Kbps-2 Mbps.
Additional Information:
Your DSL Connection Rate :8.13 Mbps(DOWN-STREAM), 448 Kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP Profile for your line is - 2 Mbps
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 14-Apr-12 19:14:49
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Worst case it should take 5 days for the IP Profile to recover to the 7150 value that matches your sync speed.

Keep an on the connection speed. and run this test once a day, for a few more days. If once 5 days have passed it is still slow and you've not seen the modem connect at a slow speed in that time, then pester support telling them your IP Profile appears to be stuck at 2 Meg

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 19:28:09
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Ah cheers, I thought there must be something wrong.

So is my ip profile stuck at the moment?

Oh when you say support is that with BT as thats who I pay line rental to or do I have to contact Orange or someone else?

Also just looked at my up time and it seems my broadband has been only up for 1 day so it looks like its dropping out when it should'nt.

Also might try the test socket.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 14-Apr-12 19:34:52
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As it is a broadband issue it is with Orange who you buy your broadband from

Stuck - depends on what the speeds the modem connected at previously

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 14-Apr-12 20:18:20
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One wonders why you are only on ADSL Max, when your exchange is capable of 21CN WBC ADSL2+. You could be getting 16 Meg Sync on ADSL2+.

How long have you been with Orange? On what package? What does it say under Change My Package on your account on their site? Were you on their LLU before they got into bed with BT?

No point in trying test socket. That cannot affect your IP Profile, only your Sync which is maxed out.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 23:42:13
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Never noticed that before. I've been with orange broadband since 2006 when it was originally wanadoo. I get it free with my orange mobile phone and it just roles over everytime I upgrade my phone.

It's a good deal but it's becoming less of a good one with poor Internet speeds.

I'll check out the upgrade thing in the morning and report back. Not quite sure what deal was on all those years ago and it's never fully explained now when I upgrade.

Nor quite sure what LLU means so not sure answer to your question however I may have already answered it smile

so with regard to my sync I'll have to ring up orange as I should definitely be getting faster speeds. I presume they are the only ones who can do that?
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 15-Apr-12 00:05:14
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In reply to a post by Turnipfarmer:
I get it free with my orange mobile phone and it just roles over everytime I upgrade my phone.
Ah! You are on a free BB deal with your mobile. Didn't know they still did that but they probably count it as a legacy deal. That probably explains a lot. They put you on their slowest 8 Meg BB package.
In reply to a post by Turnipfarmer:
as I should definitely be getting faster speeds. I presume they are the only ones who can do that?
Not necessarily as you are on a free legacy BB deal. But you might be able to do it in that Change Your Package thing if you are prepared to pay for it. But consider thoroughly whether you want to put your landline with them as well. If not, you will have to phone up and ask to be upgraded to Simply BB.

But maybe you need to sort out your current speed issues 1st. As you are you should be getting about 6.6 Meg throughput.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 15-Apr-12 08:26:16
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Yeah they don't do it anymore, I've just been able to carry it over every year. Never had issue with the speed until now.

Is there anything else I can do to get speed faster as back in December I was getting speeds like that.

Gonna ring orange this morning to see what they say too. It looks like my ip profile is the problem.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 15-Apr-12 09:38:56
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Just checked my broadband package and I'm on Broadband Plus apparently.
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(deleted) Sun 15-Apr-12 10:04:48
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Just rang them and they said its a router problem so they are sending me a new livebox which I know ain't gonna be the fix of the problem URG!!! and told me to change channel number.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 15-Apr-12 10:19:52
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I think that support must get a bonus for every brightbox sent out

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 15-Apr-12 10:29:32
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In reply to a post by Turnipfarmer:
Just checked my broadband package and I'm on Broadband Plus apparently.
What speed, if any, does it say?

They don't do Livebox anymore. Now they send out Brightboxes, which are quite good and which Orange allege are the cure to all speed problems grin

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 15-Apr-12 12:29:34
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It states up to 8meg with 2gb usage (which is news to me). Technically I should get nearly 8 as my line supports it. I might ring them back again.

The lady said she would send me a new bright box but asked if I use the 2nd line which I do. The bright box oddly doesn't support this and there for she is sending me a new livebox.

I don't think this will sort the problem. She even said that my line supports upto 10 meg so why I'm getting 2 I have no idea. I think orange have capped the speed and if they don't sort it I'm gonna leave, seems such hard work.

Might try plusnet, be or virgin media.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 15-Apr-12 12:55:26
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ISP does not use the IP Profile to cap the line. The modem would connect at 2272 Kbps if they wanted to cap you to 2Meg.

In short you are talking who do not understand the IP Profile, so giving you what they think is the closest answer.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 15-Apr-12 13:19:00
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
ISP does not use the IP Profile to cap the line. The modem would connect at 2272 Kbps if they wanted to cap you to 2Meg.

In short you are talking who do not understand the IP Profile, so giving you what they think is the closest answer.


ok I see, what's the next course of action I should follow? Orange tech support didn't really help me this morning. Bt tested the line also and no fault found. Just not sure what to double next. Was going to try test socket but people say that won't make much difference. frown
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(deleted) Sun 15-Apr-12 13:24:49
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The profile should automatically rise provided you don't have a(nother) low sync event. You need to be patient and wait a few days. Keep an eye on your router sync rate to note if it falls again which would indicate an underlying problem.

Perhaps use RouterStats to monitor the situation, see http://www.vwlowen.co.uk/internet/files.htm
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 15-Apr-12 13:58:01
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In reply to a post by Turnipfarmer:
ok I see, what's the next course of action I should follow?
Already answered!

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 15-Apr-12 14:05:46
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Stop phoning BT about it, this is nothing to do with the voice line rental billing.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 15-Apr-12 15:49:33
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Ok thank you again guys for all your help, it is much appreciated.

I'm trying the speedtester and getting this error now

You have already completed 1 full speed tests within an hour. The Performance Tester will only allow one test to be complete every 60 minutes.

I did the test yesterday afternoon last so not sure why its saying that, any ideas?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 15-Apr-12 15:52:05
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That tester is far from perfect, so take a peek again tomorrow.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 16-Apr-12 09:19:08
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
That tester is far from perfect, so take a peek again tomorrow.


Nope same issue, still telling me I have got to wait for an hour between tests even though I have been trying for ages now. Seems to work for other people.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 17-Apr-12 11:13:37
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Works for some others and some have your problem.

ISP should still have visibility of the IP Profile, my advice is support stone wall when you ask them to check, and it may need escalating up the support chain, then change provider.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 17-Apr-12 15:23:24
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Works for some others and some have your problem.

ISP should still have visibility of the IP Profile, my advice is support stone wall when you ask them to check, and it may need escalating up the support chain, then change provider.


Its now working again and ran test again, same results as other day with ip profile a 2meg however still give it the 5 days you suggested and then I will contact them again. Will definatly push for it to be escalated up the ladder and very inclined to move providers.

Any suggestions on good, reliable isp?
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Hello Turnipfarmer,

If you send me your details, landline number your broadband is on and a contact number, I will get this issue escalated and some will call you back.

Regards

Gavin
Orange Home Broadband

'I am here to help'
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(deleted) Tue 17-Apr-12 18:49:50
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Hello Turnipfarmer,

If you send me your details, landline number your broadband is on and a contact number, I will get this issue escalated and some will call you back.

Regards


Gavin I have sent you a PM
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(deleted) Sun 22-Apr-12 13:41:49
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Thought I would give everyone an update.

Big thanks to Gavin and his team, rang me the next day. The speeds have now increased as well as my IP profile.

These are my stats
Download speedachieved during the test was - 5.67 Mbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speeds is 0.6 Mbps-7.15 Mbps.
Additional Information:
Your DSL Connection Rate :8.13 Mbps(DOWN-STREAM), 0.45 Mbps(UP-STREAM)
IP Profile for your line is - 7.15 Mbps

Noise margin (dB) : 9.3
Attenuation (dB) : 29.0
Attainable download rate (kbps) : 9024
Downstream - 8128
Upstream - 448
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