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Hello, Guys Currently on the 30Meg broadband package does virgin broadband allow this much downloading day to day.
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VM sell it as unlimited so yes they do allow any download volume. If you regularly hit the STM they will send a letter explaining how to avoid that (ie by not downloading so much during STM hours).
They used to send disconnection threats if they considered usage was too high but as they want to advertise "unlimited" they can no longer send out those letters and remain within ASA guidlines.
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Given they haven't complained to you about it I guess you're safe. VM can't complain about usage and threaten you with any kind of penalties for your usage.
I didn't even realise there was that much content worth downloading available, well played Sir.
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I didn't even realise there was that much content worth downloading available
There isn't. The OP is probably just downloading torrents for the hell of it.
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You will be fine 
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That seems the only plausible explanation.
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I wonder how they are storing it all!
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lol My steam Games are around 500GB of games and streaming netflix HD Uses around 4gb each hour.
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lol My steam Games are around 500GB of games and streaming netflix HD Uses around 4gb each hour.
You do know that you don't have to re-install the games every time you want to play them don't you?
And Netflix HD is around 4.5GB for a 2-hour movie, not 4GB/hour.
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i was a good boy last month because i was in and out of hospital.
only used 115.21GB down and 3.32 GB Up.
AMD FX-4100 X4, MSI 990FXA-GD80, 16GB DDR 3 Cosair Vengence 1600Mhz, 9351.1GB Hard Disk Space, 2GB ATI 6670 HD PCI-E 16x Graphics, 850watt PSU.
Ex AOL Dialup 56k Customer....
Ex Freedom2Surf 512k and Ex Eclipse Internet 2mb Customer.
Virgin Media 120mb Cable.
Virgin Media R EVIL!!!
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Weekdays, if there are no contention issues, you should be good for around 225GB per day download and maybe 160GB at weekends with 10% of those figures for upload. The assumption here is that you can run full speed outside of threshold hours then stop
BUT
Although you or I might consider such numbers normal for such a connection there are many others, especially on VM's forum, who will cry "unfair" and "illegal". Very few will believe that it is entirely possible to use this much bandwidth legally..... I know this from experience.... and VM themselves really don't like to consider unlimited to mean this sort of unlimited... Their definition is somewhat different (as usual)
It pleases me to see good use of a connection 
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I'm genuinely curious here. If you can give me a legit reason for using 225GB/day day in, day out, that'd be great.
The upload I can actually understand - seeding Linux and other legal torrents.
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I'm genuinely curious here. If you can give me a legit reason for using 225GB/day day in, day out, that'd be great.
Here's one - http://www.majestic12.co.uk/
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Even the #1 guy there isn't getting close to 225GB / day. Can only crawl so many webpages, isn't like bulk downloading.
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You misread it. The data figures are in MB.
# Nick URLsdone Data(MB)
1 Finlandrefic 424,321,627 10,698,850
2 United KingdomMajestic12 273,725,454 6,861,925
That's at 7pm so 19hours done and the top guy at 10,698,850MB is over 10TB in that time.
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I'm genuinely curious here. If you can give me a legit reason for using 225GB/day day in, day out, that'd be great.
The upload I can actually understand - seeding Linux and other legal torrents. Who are you, the Internet Police?
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Who are you, the Internet Police?
Nope, just genuinely interested.
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Should be noted he has 120 nodes working on it, none of which are reaching 10Mb/s throughput despite being in data centres.
I guess if you had enough nodes at home you could generate 200GB/day of traffic though. It would be a very weird use of a home connection indeed but is feasible, thank you.
Edited by deleted (Tue 20-Aug-13 10:04:33)
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When UKOnline reduced new customer prices but not mine and refused to budge on price or let me go inside the minimum term I ran that flat out 24x7 on their ADSL. I used over 3TB a month for 3 or 4 months. Annoyingly they didn't even complain.
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We didn't monitor customer usage on UKOnline, quite literally there was no accounting of usage at all.
Even if there had been no reports were ever done on it, backhaul wasn't allowed to congest.
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Edited by deleted (Fri 23-Aug-13 18:01:14)
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I'm waiting for the upgrade to be finished and with it I hope the contention issues will be resolved then we will see how MJ12 performs. The most to date was when I had 50/5 and that did ~15TB one month.
I too pushed it hard after getting one of VM's letters. The idea was to keep it down during the evening but go truly unlimited at all other times.
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I had a little play with MJ12 the other day. It will need multiple nodes to really chew up the data. Still waiting for my price increase notice - I don't want to be a high user when asking for the rise to be be removed Of course if it isn't removed then I'll be doing all I can to get my monies worth while deciding which alternative provider to use. TBH I could probably just take standard ADSL but will probably pick FTTC.
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ive not downloaded that much since dec 2007 as thats when i have info going back to on my downloads.
Since Dec 07 ive managed 10.05TB.
AMD FX-4100 X4, MSI 990FXA-GD80, 16GB DDR 3 Cosair Vengence 1600Mhz, 9351.1GB Hard Disk Space, 2GB ATI 6670 HD PCI-E 16x Graphics, 850watt PSU.
Ex AOL Dialup 56k Customer....
Ex Freedom2Surf 512k and Ex Eclipse Internet 2mb Customer.
Virgin Media 120mb Cable.
Virgin Media R EVIL!!!
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2907341301 |
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well you dont need 120mbit to download a lot.
a 10mbit connection can do tb's, a 30mbit connection can do almost 10tb.
a 30mbit connection if not congested can comfortably handle large downloads, streaming etc. all at same time.
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LOL Into my 29 day just checked hit 7TB Been running maxed out connection since the 1st august.
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Good on you if they price increase your broadband package make sure you get your monies worth each month.
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Good for you. Hogging the network, brill!
Was Eclipse Home Option 1 & VM 2Mb
Now O2 standard
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It's between 300 and 400Mb locally.
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...and for those wondering how long before 200Mbps is offered just remember that incredibly VM were selling 100/10Mbps when the local pipes were only 200/18Mbps
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And that is my whole point. Running 24/7 as some people do seems to shove two fingers up to all other users who come home from work and want to check their personal emails, purchase a couple of items and browse the web for half an hour.
The two or three selfish users could time their download/uploads between 11pm and 6am. They should be able to download all they can watch/install during that period.
Was Eclipse Home Option 1 & VM 2Mb
Now O2 standard
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shove two fingers up to all other users who come home from work and want to check their personal emails, purchase a couple of items and browse the web for half an hour ... the people sticking their fingers up to users are those who think it's fine to sell unlimited high speed broadband with now virtually negligible STM penalty on a network that simply cannot support that sort of usage.
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Edited by deleted (Fri 30-Aug-13 20:46:06)
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shove two fingers up to all other users who come home from work and want to check their personal emails, purchase a couple of items and browse the web for half an hour ... the people sticking their fingers up to users are those who think it's fine to sell unlimited high speed broadband with now virtually negligible STM penalty on a network that simply cannot support that sort of usage.
a few people including one ex VM staff member are even saying VM are trialing turning STM off now as well O_o
BT Infinity 2 Since Dec 2012 - BQM
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Even with the STM operating fully, and mine seems to be totally disabled judging by the few tests I've done , it doesn't deter at all now IMO. The old 5 hours knuckle wrap was a deterrent but now the speed reduction is pretty small and only lasts an hour or two.
Ok so the pipes are bigger now but a 120Mbps user can still consume > 25% of the local downstream and 12Mbps up is 33% of the upstream. Even with STM operating a single user can still consume a sizeable % of the local pipe. With FTTC that simply isn't the case as the backhaul is so much higher.
Who allows that? VM do.
Why? So they can advertise unlimited and beat FTTC on headline speeds.
Who pays? Customers with a torrent freak or two on their segment.
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I don't know if it is deliberate or misconfiguration but I noticed I hadn't been hit any STM when I should have been a couple of weeks back and started a thread about it on cableforum. Some are saying they have STM and some like me don't get penalised (I've tested this a number of times since). Somebody copied a denial from Mark Whatsisname on the VM board that there was any trial or any STM failures. I'll believe there is no trial but I know 100% that I can exceed the published limits with impunity.
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Cant wait to see the network in some areas Keel over and die lol
AMD FX-4100 X4, MSI 990FXA-GD80, 16GB DDR 3 Cosair Vengence 1600Mhz, 9351.1GB Hard Disk Space, 2GB ATI 6670 HD PCI-E 16x Graphics, 850watt PSU.
Ex AOL Dialup 56k Customer....
Ex Freedom2Surf 512k and Ex Eclipse Internet 2mb Customer.
Virgin Media 120mb Cable.
Virgin Media R EVIL!!!
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It's not quite that simple.
What you describe is how both cable and FTTP via passive networks work. Of itself the scenario you describe isn't necessarily a problem.
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It's not quite that simple.
What you describe is how both cable and FTTP via passive networks work. Of itself the scenario you describe isn't necessarily a problem. So you are saying that there is sufficient spare capacity in a VM pipe to serve the possibly hundreds of other customers on it when one is using a quarter of that capacity? I guess I must have several on mine then considering the SamKnows daily average is virtually always a lot less than the headline rate I pay for.
Or perhaps you'd like to expand on "It's not quite that simple"
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So long as the pipe doesn't max out it doesn't matter how much of the capacity is sold to a single customer. It's about a combination of how many people are on said capacity and how heavily the capacity is used by each customer.
When the 20Mb product first went live it was on a single 38Mb downstream. When the 10Mb products went live they were on 27Mb or 38Mb downstreams.
Don't obsess over how much downstream capacity a single customer can use. UPC are selling 200Mb downstream on 400Mb downstream service groups. As a general rule people aren't sitting there using 120Mb or 200Mb or whatever 24x7x365.
Capacity downstream is still planned by how many kbps are allocated to each customer and that's exactly how it should be.
Upstream is more problematic in the case of cable as it's way easier to saturate an upstream 24x7x365 simply through a P2P application. VM are quite aware selling 10Mb upstream on an 18Mb channel wasn't wise, however the current 12Mb maximum on a 36Mb bonded group isn't abnormal in cable land at all.
I can show you a cable company whose upstream tiers are 5Mb, 25Mb and 35Mb running on 94.5Mb bonded channel groups, another 5Mb, 10Mb and 20Mb on 67.5Mb. These both compare favourably with VM's 3Mb, 6Mb, 12Mb on 36Mb groups, just about how many modems are in each group.
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Fair enough so long as those high speed users aren't hammering it but a brief look at forums suggests plenty are - maybe it's only the cheapskates who do as tbh I can't see how anybody could consume the amount of data a 120Mbps downstream could deliver.
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Well from memory that 8Mbs can do ~ 3TB I'd estimate 4TB would be 24x7 on about 10Mbps so only 2.4x7 on 100 and you've already said you avoid peak times so that, while pretty huge, is imo sustainable unless you are joined by several others on the same segment at the same times. The real killer is 24x7 seeding of torrents and I bet quite a few do that even if only through ignorance.
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There aren't all that many 120Mb users, however a good part of them are indeed on the 120Mb service because, while they're happy to pay for newsgroup access and 120Mb, they aren't so happy paying for the content they consume.
There'll be the odd one who downloads catch-up TV, uses it for backups and other IT-heavy operations working from home or simply has it because it came as part of a bundle or even because they measure their manhood via the bandwidth of their connection but for sure for the most part it's people downloading Blu Ray images.
Either way their call. Up to copyright owners to enforce said copyrights on their content.
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The premise that there are 24 hours in a weekend and 17 hours in a day in "VM World" during which one can have unlimited should be enough for most and even though I could use as much as they are prepared to sell me, I keep usage low in the evening etc.
The issue I have just now is that every man and his dog hits things at 11pm. I have found that at 11pm there is a period of maybe 2 hours in which this 100Mb connection can be as low as 5 to 8Mb.
I am certainly looking forward to getting upgraded....here we must be among the last to get the bandwidth....as usual.
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Edited by deleted (Sat 31-Aug-13 21:27:10)
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Indeed.
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I agree with you for what its worth.
Whilst I accept ignition's point, the problem is there is no real plan B for when lots of people do go full throttle 24/7 on a single service group. To make matters worse this sort of thing when it happens tends to be localised, like one area might have 20 heavy torrenters another area might have none or 1. I dont think heavy users are evenly spread out across nodes.
I think one reason things have improved lately (asides from the abandoning of 10:1 on lower packages) is that as speeds go up, its harder to sustain full throttle for long periods of time. So ultimately less people will be going 100%. So internet speeds outgrowing the download addicts. Right now the maths are better. max 120mbit on a 400mbit group and max 12mbit upload with 36 capacity. When previously we had max of 100mbit down on 200 capacity and max 10 up on 18 capacity.
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it attracts them but in my opiniopn its pretty hard to max out download 24/7/365
would needs tons of storage space and either be deleting what you download quickly or moving it to other storage media, not to mention must be downloading a fair bit of trash to fill the pipe.
Most people who would just download stuff they interested in wont be maxing out that bandwidth consistently.
However I agree with ignition that upstream will remain a problem, and its good VM recognised that 10 to 18 didnt fit.
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what happens if you dont like going out to watch stuff?
The problem is people want content fast and they want it in their rooms. This is incompatible with the industry who wants staggered release dates with cinemas been head of the queue. Regional release dates are a huge cause of piracy. Although I dont think we should be going off topic here, this is about isp capacity not piracy policing, as revk at aaisp said, isp's aren't resposible for what their customers do.
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.. as speeds go up, its harder to sustain full throttle for long periods of time... True but I suspect as speeds go up that supports higher quality video downloads. A full bluray rip is huge 25GB(? - I've never checked) against a Divx avi of maybe 700MB as sold at car boots on CD.
I guess even Linux ISOs are now full fat DVDs with a library of applications included.
Anyhow like I said earlier it doesn't take much effort to seed all day.
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what happens if you dont like going out to watch stuff?
Then you see a doctor for treatment for either the GAD or agoraphobia.
Those things aside if a person is so determined to have content on their terms and their timescale they're unlikely to be bothered about paying for it.
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Plan B is increase the bandwidth available per modem on the service group, either by reducing the number of modems in the service group via a logical or physical split or increasing spectral efficiency or number of channels.
VM are doing all of these, including on the upstream where a programme is in place to move upstreams from 16QAM to 64QAM - an increase in spectral efficiency of 50% - and 3 channel bonding.
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I wonder whether Plan C might be for Virgin Media to make an "excessive data usage charge" for the heaviest 5% (say) of their downloaders, to encourage them to move ISP?
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IMO there is no chance they will do this. Charging for excess usage couldn't be advertided as unlimited and and they have done everything possible to continue doing that including stopping sending disconnection threat letters to the heaviest users and emasculating the STM.
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No. The marketing people wouldn't allow it.
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Not quite what you've said in the past!
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Now O2 standard
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I have said for a long time VM should stop advertising as unlimited and put a cap on their products.
for example 120mb capped at 400GB download a month and u can buy extra bandwith in say 50GB blocks for £5.
AMD FX-4100 X4, MSI 990FXA-GD80, 16GB DDR 3 Cosair Vengence 1600Mhz, 9351.1GB Hard Disk Space, 2GB ATI 6670 HD PCI-E 16x Graphics, 850watt PSU.
Ex AOL Dialup 56k Customer....
Ex Freedom2Surf 512k and Ex Eclipse Internet 2mb Customer.
Virgin Media 120mb Cable.
Virgin Media R EVIL!!!
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2907341301 |
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I don't know what u download to reach that lol
I thought i was quite a heavy user and last month i managed 128.65GB down and 22.71GB up.
The maximum i've downloaded in one month this year was when a hard drive of mine failed in May and i had to download stuff back to drives that i have backed up online and i downloaded 406.60GB and uploaded 6.68GB.
AMD FX-4100 X4, MSI 990FXA-GD80, 16GB DDR 3 Cosair Vengence 1600Mhz, 9351.1GB Hard Disk Space, 2GB ATI 6670 HD PCI-E 16x Graphics, 850watt PSU.
Ex AOL Dialup 56k Customer....
Ex Freedom2Surf 512k and Ex Eclipse Internet 2mb Customer.
Virgin Media 120mb Cable.
Virgin Media R EVIL!!!
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2907341301 |
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If I get bored I download the OVH test files just because I can.
Now that's what I call bored. You're welcome to come round and watch my lawn growing instead any time you want. It's particularly exciting in spring just after some rain.
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Edited by deleted (Tue 03-Sep-13 11:07:27)
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I've just finished painting my window sill if you would prefer to watch that instead
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I just had a cute 22 year old Chav do some house work for me 
AMD FX-4100 X4, MSI 990FXA-GD80, 16GB DDR 3 Cosair Vengence 1600Mhz, 9351.1GB Hard Disk Space, 2GB ATI 6670 HD PCI-E 16x Graphics, 850watt PSU.
Ex AOL Dialup 56k Customer....
Ex Freedom2Surf 512k and Ex Eclipse Internet 2mb Customer.
Virgin Media 120mb Cable.
Virgin Media R EVIL!!!
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2907341301 |
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You may be interested to know that Ono in Spain are soon launching a 500Mb cable service.
This may be using the shiny new 24 downstream 8 upstream Puma 6mg chipset.
There is already a 500Mb service available, delivered via 16 downstreams in Sweden.
500Mb out of 800Mb downstream capacity.
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Edited by deleted (Wed 04-Sep-13 12:06:08)
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If people were willing to pay a sensible price then am sure it would turn up in UK, but everything points to people worrying about 50p here and there rather than the quality of the service they buy.
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The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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is also a different market, in sweden there is FTTP gigabit services to compete against.
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Indeed. On the current exchange rate that product is over 87GBP/month.
Then there's the competition angle. It's competing against 100Mb and 1Gb fibre services using local MANs.
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You seem to have a very inconsistent approach.
You say you downgraded to 8Mbps ADSL but would have liked STM free cable. All tiers are faster than 8Mbps even with STM. Plus you claim to never invoke STM anyway.
Why would you even consider 500Mbps when you have said you no longer download much at all and your 8Mbps is perfectly adequate.
Very confusing.
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500Mb out of 800Mb downstream capacity. Well the faster the pipe the more immune it should be to congestion I think even with users having superfast downstream speeds that exceed 50% of capacity - I imagine at 500Mbps only dedicated downloaders would actually spend long in constant download mode.
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STM has never been the issue for me - I've hit STM a few times when I have wanted to see if it was there.
This is true and i have always said I would pay more for a decent service free of STM if possible. I've said that a few times on the VM forums.
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I wouldn't let it worry you. He must be female as being fickle and changing his/her mind more times than I've had a hot dinner!
Was Eclipse Home Option 1 & VM 2Mb
Now O2 standard
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Edited by deleted (Wed 04-Sep-13 20:50:52)
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I thought so!
Was Eclipse Home Option 1 & VM 2Mb
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