I do love it when..

Edited by deleted (Sat 19-Oct-13 14:00:09)

Well, none of us have any idea what the result of the decision will be, but SSDD really. Ad men are paid to portray the product in as positive a light as possible and sometimes they go too far.

I just quite like, whoever it is, doing my bit to have them held to account. Think I've been part of upheld complaints on 5 different ISPs now.

I really need a hobby.

Had you thought about Tweeting ? Lol !

Already do. 9,718 of them and counting

So have I. I was referring to how VM will react.

EDIT I have minus the two weeks - the date on the letter is 17th, and I imagine you received it at the same time I did given the date on this thread.

You wouldn't be good if you had to sign the Official Secrets Act would you?

Edited by deleted (Tue 22-Oct-13 21:29:26)

You seem extremely excited about knowing something in advance of journalists.

I have some idea about what the response will be now, it's really nothing to write home about though.

one of you let me in

Or I need to wait for 17 november?

I think journalists get advanced notice also but I dont know how much notice.

They didn't change STM for their health, and they did receive guidance as to what would be considered as moderate.

so you guys did what I was considering, stating STM is more than moderate?

I was one of the original complainants over STM, and this was the continuation of that complaint as far as I'm aware. I do not remember complaining about it again.

Oh to live in an area where there is a low enough degree of congestion to notice whether or not you've been hit by STM during the evenings.

Oh to live in an area where your only option isn't 1.5Mb DSL.

There are no areas where that is the only option. The alternatives might be expensive though...

I didn't say it was the only option, I said it was my only option.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

I didn't say it was the only option, I said it was my only option.

no 3G/4G?

and can't put up a dish for satellite either it seems

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

no 3G/4G?

Signal very poor and 2G as often as 3G, zero signal at all in 2 of 3 floors.

In reply to a post by kwikbreaks:

and can't put up a dish for satellite either it seems

Not an option due to requirements of VoIP system re: latency and jitter.

Looks like the only remaining option would be a lease line then. Or bonded ADSL for extra speed - you'd only need about 30 of them to match the VM connection I berate...

TBH it isn't really the quality that irks it's the postcode lottery.

Incidentally on the 3G front ... http://www.digitalham.co.uk/web/broadband/mobile-bro...

Edited by kwikbreaks (Tue 29-Oct-13 09:21:20)

The postcode lottery will never end, as once you get one set of upgrades done, then another divide appears e.g. the one that B4rn, Hyperoptic etc are creating by daring to offer Gbps.

The next step will be the areas that offer pure point to point fibre and can in 10 years start selling 3 Gbps and faster.

The only way a divide can be avoided is to mandate ONE infrastructure provider and every retailer is forced to buy the final mile connectivity from them.

It was actually the postcode lottery within VM I meant. There are many areas now that look pretty good but unfortunately mine isn't one of them. I stick with VM because it is still cheaper for me unless I took plain ADSL and I don't trust my phone line. The jitter is high but by Vonage VOIP box copes with that. I'm more active on the internet in the day than evenings these days and it isn't all that bad then.

BTW did you spot my added comment that VM no longer offer ADSL to new customers in the other thread?

In reply to a post by kwikbreaks:

Looks like the only remaining option would be a lease line then. Or bonded ADSL for extra speed - you'd only need about 30 of them to match the VM connection I berate...

As above due to cost a leased line isn't an option, bonded ADSL isn't an option due to lack of e-side pairs.

The option is to kick back and wait.

What do you think will come to your aid - technology or a removal van?

This:

Description:
Build 1 concrete chamber 2315mm x 737mm x 1565mm deep in Footway,Demolish 1 existing jointbox(s) or cabinet base(s),Erect/Renew 1 PCP cabinet and base (600mm x 300mm x 1000mm),Install 1m of 2 poly ducts in Footway
Start Date:
29/10/2013
End Date:
31/10/2013

Description:
HUNSLET (PCP 82) STREET CABINET& POWER INSTALLATION. Excavate to lay approx 3m BT duct in verge & 2m duct in f/w, Lay concrete plinth, Stand cab. Excavate to expose low voltage cable for Power Connection and lay approx 3m duct in verge & 6m duct in f/w. POWER engineer to carry out inspection prior to jointing. POWER jointing team to insert cable and execute jointing works. Reinstate, Check and clear site.
Start Date:
11/11/2013
End Date:
22/11/2013

hmm if he gets say 20 lines.

with the instability 10 or so dropped out at any one time, would it be useable with some offline?

15-30mbit throughout depending how many are dropped out, hmmm.

So maybe 6 months then? Cabinets here appeared about 3 months before going live.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/6133-virgin-media...

Closer to 6 weeks than 6 months unless there are serious issues.

I guess you'll be very pleased about that then.

I remember watching the boxes going in and checking the availability for ages. Then I saw the exchange had been declared enabled but it was refusing an order from me. I eventually tried an address just up the road and it said that was fine. I did some checking and every property off the same pole as me was showing no FTTC. I called BT (the ISP) - no joy. Then I contacted the CEO office and they eventually got it sorted. When I placed my order there was a three week lead time. On the day one bloke showed up and connected up the phone line. The FTTC install was a no show. They then gave me a new date three weeks away which would have been past my VM cancellation so I told BT to stick it where the sun don't shine and got a discount from VM for staying instead.

The moral here is when Openreach are involved there are plenty of chances for things to go wrong. I hope you have more luck. I repeat this tale on boards quite frequently so you may have seen it before. I offer no apologies because the more that know just how useless Openreach are the higher the odds that one day the regulator may rethink their nutty idea of putting every phone line user at the mercy of a completely unaccountable monopoly. Not that I'm bitter of course...

The enabling of this cabinet is the culmination of work on my part since February of last year.

I've had far more exposure to the issues around this than I could possibly wish for, but all seems to be going in the right direction now.

If you've managed to get them to enable a cabinet you've earned my respect over and above that you already had for your knowledge.

how far is the cabinet from you estimated in metres?

In reply to a post by kwikbreaks:

If you've managed to get them to enable a cabinet you've earned my respect over and above that you already had for your knowledge.

I'm not sure if respect is really appropriate so much as sympathy.

The level of [censored] mindedness it took was off the scale including such lovely activities as working out exactly how many homes the cabinet passed, local people doing leafleting, an appearance by my lovely fiancee on TV, you get the idea.

Edited by deleted (Thu 31-Oct-13 10:27:52)

By cable lenth it's a shade under 400m.

Wholesale checker estimates 56.6 down, 18 up which seems about right.

Edited by deleted (Thu 31-Oct-13 12:26:23)

I remember that episode, is the 1.32mbps?

Yes indeed.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

Yes indeed.

yeah the ending was a big let down, 2 pathetic statements from sky and openreach.

obviously you have now made progress since then tho

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

yeah the ending was a big let down, 2 pathetic statements from sky and openreach.

obviously you have now made progress since then tho

Once Openreach realised there were 400 active lines on the cabinet, not 96, they soon changed their mind about commercial viability.

It took nearly 10 months to get to that stage, mind you. Ugh.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

Once Openreach realised there were 400 active lines on the cabinet, not 96, they soon changed their mind about commercial viability.

It took nearly 10 months to get to that stage, mind you. Ugh.

How can they get these figures wrong? Why didn't they know off that bat, that's what I want to know.

In reply to a post by brandscill:

How can they get these figures wrong? Why didn't they know off that bat, that's what I want to know.

The figure they used was out of date. Between then and the end of last year over 300 new properties had been constructed. Now closer to 400 properties built with more to come.

Given the visibility of the project those 288 lines are going to be filled up in no time.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by brandscill:

How can they get these figures wrong? Why didn't they know off that bat, that's what I want to know.

The figure they used was out of date. Between then and the end of last year over 300 new properties had been constructed. Now closer to 400 properties built with more to come.

Given the visibility of the project those 288 lines are going to be filled up in no time.

Ah that makes sense