Alternative Routers

Can anyone recommend any other routers that will work with Sky Max?

Thanks

none, you have to use the router that is supplied.

The search function comes in handy at times

http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=sky&Number=2677546

Seems pretty straight forward to use your own equipment really.

No you don't have to use the one supplied.

I know how to extract my password and login details,I was just wondering if anyone could tell me if they have had better stability using other routers.

Edited by sifter (Sat 02-Dec-06 14:02:34)

Well ive used my belkin 125mbps router on sky for 2 weeks now as i didnt want to reset up all netgear and have wireless to four pcs and its been fantastic , great speeds and not one single drop out

Is that this model?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=NW-022-BE

Ive been using a linksys wag54gx2 for the last 2 months, no drops and great speeds

Hmmmm.

I am well aware that people have found a way to circumnavigate the security on the supplied router.

But it's likely, is it not, that Sky would insist you are on that router should you phone to report a problem and hey - for all I know it's in their T&Cs that you should be using it.

There are distinct advantages to an ISP in enforcing the CPE choice, though I can understand why people would not want to.

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I am well aware that people have found a way to circumnavigate the security on the supplied router.

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But in your earlier reply you said none worked. Make your mind up.

yes thats my belkin router and yes you can use any router

Edited by scottyav (Sun 03-Dec-06 23:06:23)

lol backtracking and trying to recover me thinks - I will try use my 3 com 3CRWDR100A-72 and see how it goes ,as I have found it to be a solid router

Cheers guys,thanks for the replys ( well the helpful ones anyway).

When mine switched over from nildram to sky today, my old DG834G could only manage 10Mbps with 6dB noise margin, whereas the DG834GT manages 15Mbps with 14-17 dB margin, so there can be a huge difference in changing router

If yours isn't great, perhaps take advantage of a shops money back guarantee, eg Argos?

why don't we let Sky's Terms and Conditions make up my mind huh:

"(d) Sky Broadband must only be accessed via your Broadband Box."

It's your choice - but if you're encouraging others to use other equipment you are encouraging them to break the T&Cs they have entered into.

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why don't we let Sky's Terms and Conditions make up my mind huh

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Why not just admit you were wrong and salvage some dignity? Other routers do work, but to use them breaks the terms and conditions of the service.

It really doesn't affect sky in any negative way to choose a better router for your needs, and if it gives people a better connection/better lan and or wireless lan ,then its definately a good idea to change your router if you feel confident in what you are doing.

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why don't we let Sky's Terms and Conditions make up my mind huh:

"(d) Sky Broadband must only be accessed via your Broadband Box."

It's your choice - but if you're encouraging others to use other equipment you are
encouraging them to break the T&Cs they have entered into.




I think the term "your broadband box" might be just a little bit too wide-ranging to stand up in court! I have lots of broadband boxes!

I'm not encouraging people to do anything,I asked a simple question that was all.Whatever people want to do it's up to them.

Your not even with Sky so why you keep replying to this thread is beyond me.We all know Sky's Terms and Conditions so there is no need for you to keep telling us.

Edited by sifter (Tue 05-Dec-06 11:04:59)

Why are people so worried about breaking the T&C's by using their own routers? If you download copyrighted material via bittorrent or newsgroups you're in a far worse breach of the T&C's than using your own router.

will a speedtouch 510v4 work or does it have to be a adsl2 router?

I'd have thought it would have depended on how sky have configured their DSLAM's, as it should be backwards compatible, but they may have decided to prevent ADSL1 modems being used. I'd try for you but both of my routers offer ADSL2.

Hiya,
When I put in the link it keeps asking me for a password :-(
Help.

yes you can use ADSL1 routers, as i have before. but obvioulsy you wont get higher speeds. my adsl1 router syncs at max 8.2mb but it is a hell load more stable than the [censored] netgear one.

BTW - username is admin and password is sky.

if you want your 'proper' broadband login search the forum for my thread.

Edited by zub (Wed 06-Dec-06 04:25:26)

I've got to agree with sifter on this one - If Sky customers don't know what is in their T&Cs to start with, its a rather silly move to sign up to something you haven't read.

The advice given to customers to use their own equipment, from how I perceive the posts, are given as a matter of opinion or suggestion - its true in saying that if someone isn't happy with the supplied router they have the ability to use another if it will server more to their purpose.

As for the abiguity about the term 'Broadband Box' used in the T&Cs with regards to the customer must connect using their Broadband Box; it will be wise for someone who is worried about breaking the T&Cs to see if the term 'Broadband Box' is not more clearly defined at the beginning of the T&Cs document.

All in all, we live in a free country; people can make suggestions (based solely on their own opinion) and other can make their own decisions and act on the suggestions or not - in the end people are responsible for their own actions!

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PS: If I ramble on a bit its only because I'm knackard - ignore me if so... :-D

If you have the free or mid package then these are ADSL1 and should pose no issues with using an ADSL1 router - however if you are on the max package, why would you wanna use an adsl1 modem on an adsl2 connection?

Unless I'm getting it wrong and the modem is ADSL2 or you are on free or mid package.

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It really doesn't affect sky in any negative way to choose a better router for your needs, and if it gives people a better connection/better lan and or wireless lan ,then its definately a good idea to change your router if you feel confident in what you are doing.

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actually I don't.
The service provider is providing you with a CPE which it says you must use to connect to their network.
If there are problems with the CPE, and you don't use it, and don't tell them, then those problems just won't get fixed.

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I think the term "your broadband box" might be just a little bit too wide-ranging to stand up in court! I have lots of broadband boxes!

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Broadband Box is a term that is defined at the beginning of the T&Cs I believe.

WOW I can't believe a person who was wrong would go to such lengths to try prove otherwise

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actually I don't.

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then don't. Those that do, can. its really very simple.

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The service provider is providing you with a CPE which it says you must use to connect to their network. If there are problems with the CPE, and you don't use it, and don't tell them, then those problems just won't get fixed.

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Erm, despite the fact I really shouldn't be bothered to argue the point; the problems are inherent in the router design and firmware, both of these are out of Sky's control. And anyway, by using a different router I can fix it myself. Instantly. Permanently. Efficiently. Why are you so upset about this concept?

just forget about it,
let it go,
its all ok.

who gives a [censored]! if i can use a router that will be more stable and provide better speeds i will!

my old Belkin ADSL1 router works 10x better than this [censored] sky netgear router. I dont think its right for sky to hold customers to use the crappy router that they provide if it continueously looses connection and freezes up. So if i can get a better router, i will!

I'm using my 3com one now although to be honest I only used the sky one for about 3 hours and it seemed to preform no different to this one

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my old Belkin ADSL1 router works 10x better than this [censored] sky netgear router. I dont think its right for sky to hold customers to use the crappy router that they provide if it continueously looses connection and freezes up. So if i can get a better router, i will

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and if you're not telling them it's [censored], but just using a different modem/router - how will they know the scale of the problem?

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Erm, despite the fact I really shouldn't be bothered to argue the point; the problems are inherent in the router design and firmware, both of these are out of Sky's control.

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Are they? I doubt that very much, and how do you know it's not a problem the DSLAM has with that chipset?

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Why are you so upset about this concept?

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Oh I am not. But I suspect all those out there with routers that aren't as good are wondering why things are changing. But I don't suppose you give a toss, after all you're all sorted.

right?

@ chewystuey - ummm...i have phoned and complained about the [censored] routerbut its not like they can do anything about it now can they? so i have to take action and my action was to find out my username/password and then use my own router.

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but its not like they can do anything about it now can they?

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Can't they? - why not. How many routers do you think they buy off of netgear? and you don't think they have a say in A) how that router functions (in terms of firmware), or B) where they place their CPE business?

what the hell are you talking about?! the router works [censored], so i use another one. if i phone sky, they cant fix my router, they can send me a new one but it may turn out the same and i have to go through the hassel of sending back the old one. whats the point?! it is far easier for me to use my own router and it solves my problem. i am now happy with the SERVICE (not router) so who cares about what you just said.

wow man you talk about banging a dead horse, you were wrong with your original post either admit it or ignore it and move on.

They way you have defended a incorrect post would make me very wary of anything you say.

I'm using my 3 com now and although I still have issues with line, I now have a connection that lasts a hour or more ..if I use the sky router I'm lucky to have a 50 second connection

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I'm using my 3 com now and although I still have issues with line, I now have a connection that lasts a hour or more ..if I use the sky router I'm lucky to have a 50 second connection

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wow.

great improvement.

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what the hell are you talking about?

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Try reading and you might understand.
Sky currently purchase just one router, in VERY large quantities. IF they get to know that most people aren't having a good service, then it's in their interest to speak to the router manufacturer to rectify this. Replacing your router with the same chipset and firmware won't make a bit of difference.

But then as we've seen, not all people who swap their routers are going from [censored] to brilliant service - more like [censored] to slightly better.

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so who cares about what you just said.

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Well clearly you do or you wouldn't have replied.

lmao off lets be petty as well now should we - at no time did I say its a fantastic router I just said it works better than the sky one ...grow up sonny.

added fitted sky one back on this morning line dropped before I even opened a page ..put 3 com back on and line has been up since 8am with no drops what so ever.


so yes kiddie that is a great improvement

Edited by deleted (Wed 13-Dec-06 16:35:05)

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at no time did I say its a fantastic router I just said it works better than the sky one

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not by much does it. I don't class a service that disconnects every hour as workable.

do you?

Always nice when you re-edit your posts to change your tune.

At least I can't be accused of that.

lol I edited mine before I saw ur reply ..you more than welcome to edit yours promise I wont do a 'chewystuey' and stamp my feet and toss all my toys out the cot ..


added again ...and as u can see on my edited one I said added so it was not a little dig like you would like it to be ..erm and this be my final comment on this childish thread

Edited by deleted (Wed 13-Dec-06 16:45:09)

yeah, course it will be.

So many replies, so many opportunities for you to retract your statement, but you keep on trolling

At the end of the day you were wrong with your first post,why can't you just admit it and let this thread die a peaceful death.You are not adding any usefull to this thread at all,the only thing that you have said that has been on topic was not correct.We all know where you stand on the subject of using your own router ( though who knows why you care so much ),and to put it bluntly,no-one gives a monkeys.

I must say i feel we are being very harsh here on chewystuey's original answer.....

The original question was quite short and blunt (no offence to poster intended) and chewystuey replied with the correct and official answer, aimed at the majority of users of sky broadband. The user did not state they new how to get their username and password, nor whether they were willing to do this and breach the terms of their agreement.

If the user had suggested they knew they needed to flash their router etc to get their password and were asking for specific experiences, then they could have easily mentioned this in their original post, as they did not, i don't think we can expect chewystuey to admit his original post was incorrect, when it was not in the context of the original post.

My original post may have been "short and blunt",but it was not intended as a question to invoke the kind of replies that it got.

I was a simple question that I asked in hope of getting some helpfull and friendly advice,which to be fair some people have given.

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the only thing that you have said that has been on topic was not correct

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Well that's not true, as I pointed out the T&Cs whereby some of you have been encouraging others to break the Terms and Conditions to which they have subscribed.

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and to put it bluntly,no-one gives a monkeys

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Well now if that were true, you wouldn't have replied would you.

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but it was not intended as a question to invoke the kind of replies that it got

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Well then this thread is a little lesson in life. You can't control the answers you receive when you ask a question, and you shouldn't ask a question if you're not prepared for all the possible answers.

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I was a simple question that I asked in hope of getting some helpful and friendly advice

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Well I wouldn't ever claim to be friendly, but helpful - well that depends on your interpretation of word. If you think that encouraging you to break the T&Cs you signed up to is helpful, well that's your choice.

I don't consider telling me things I already know,or assuming that I am encouraging people to break Sky's T & C's helpfull.

The lesson in life that I have learned from all this is that some people are so far up their own backside that they can't admit that they were wrong,but will still reply to a thread because it seems to me that they love the sight of there own replys.

Seeing as you are always trying to get the last word,you can quote me and reply to this message as much as you like my friend as I would n't want to come between you and your happiness.

Thank you and goodnight.

Edited by sifter (Thu 14-Dec-06 00:33:07)

lol, this is some funny [censored].

Try the speedtouch 585i

You can use DMT tools on it works great, kind of basic.

Only problem ive had every so often is a fialure on the DNS but i think that is my current ISP (Eclipse) i signed upto sky around 2 weeks ago and im awaiting my activation date.

try that router with SKY and lemme know how things go. i wanna buy a new router but i really wanna make the right choice first off the bat.

I am using a Netgear DG834PN instead of Sky's DG834GT, because of connection constantly dropping, and the poor wireless performance of Sky's supplied router. The DG834PN performs much better, still drops, but much less frequently. However I understand the connection problem is with the exchange and the demand from Sky Broadband. In time Bt/Sky will sort this out, so for now re-boot your router at around 9.00 p.m when the service is busiest and allow your router to re-sync. Your new connection speed will be lower but stable. Oh and leave it on, and connected.

I've just recieved a mail from sky BB letting me know that sky max is now available now in my area. I've looked at previous post regarding the use of their own Netgear DG834GT router but i'll only switch if i can use my own router (Netgear DG834N). I rang sky BB to follow up the sky max service and explained my requirements and the chap said that it would not be a problem for customers to use their exsiting routers/modems to connect to sky bb if they already own one. I kept asking, saying that i would only switch if i could use my own and the chap kept confirming that, that would be OK to do. They will still supply there own on a self install though. Have sky BB changed their policy on this or was the chap misinformed. I know you can get round this problem by accessing the logn details but wondered if sky are aware that not everybody wants to use there supplied equipment.
Any help on this matter would be great.

Wouldn't be surprised if the CS was just saying that to get you to sign up - any change in policies would be reflected in the part of the T&Cs which mentions about using the supplied box!

I use Billion 7402VGP on my sky (f2s b4) as for Netgear i found nothing wrong with it