windows 11 is here

So it has finally launched, but I don't think it is ready by a long way. I was not going to install it on my main drive, but I was bored, so I decided to. i know have all the software I normally use, or the ones that will work with Windows 11 anyway, I am even using Edge, but to be honest Edge is annoying me, the new tab page is a pain, I will have to change that.
Windows 11 is working ok, but I think some people who have been using Windows for years will find it annoying, i have done already in a few places. But this is only for a few days, maybe a week, never know may be a month, but I will go back to Windows 10, I made a new image if it, so I can reinstall with ease.

I am an Insider and have been using Win 11 as my daily driver for a while now since it was first announced. I don't like how the taskbar cant be repositioned but have adapted.

My CPU is apparently "too old" for Windows 11 but working absolutely fine. I will not be upgrading for the sake of Windows 11.

In reply to a post by Banger:

I am an Insider and have been using Win 11 as my daily driver for a while now since it was first announced. I don't like how the taskbar cant be repositioned but have adapted.

I know you are an insider, I did install the dev version on the second drive for a while, but needed the space, so it had to come off, but now I will see how Windows 11 work with software that is taxing, like my video editor as long as it doesn't crash like it did on the dev version of 11. I gave it a quick go last night, and it seemed ok. but this is a newer version of hitfilm. They have added automatic proxies editing, that is great for people with less powerful machines.

i have got the taskbar on the top of the screen via a reg tweek, but it is strange as now the start menu is always on the left-hand side.

Not being able to use multiple calenders may be off-putting to some people, I found out today that could not be done.

More difficult to get to the control panel, bad enough in Windows 10, putting software as default is a pain, certainly the browser.
new tabs on Edge is a pain in the neck, while I can get rid of the rubbish that comes up when a new tab is opened, it still tries to write to a cookie, I just want a blank tab.

I should change my sig, to using Windows 11 for a trial

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

My CPU is apparently "too old" for Windows 11 but working absolutely fine. I will not be upgrading for the sake of Windows 11.

No, I would not update just for Windows 11, still thinking of getting a Mac mini to be honest, going to wait and see what the new ones are like.
if I do stay with windows, I will update to a Ryzen 9, but we will see.
The one thing I got to see is, if I change to a Mac, will the add-ons I purchased for hit film will transfer over to the Mac. I also need to look if Hitfill is now fully compatible with the M1 as some people were saying the last version did not work too well.

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

My CPU is apparently "too old" for Windows 11 but working absolutely fine. I will not be upgrading for the sake of Windows 11.

Same here. A 3 year old laptop, I3 version 7 cpu, is not supported. Revision 8 required. That means millions of windows 10 user cannot upgrade. Definitely not upgrading computer.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by Banger:

I am an Insider and have been using Win 11 as my daily driver for a while now since it was first announced. I don't like how the taskbar cant be repositioned but have adapted.

I know you are an insider, I did install the dev version on the second drive for a while, but needed the space, so it had to come off, but now I will see how Windows 11 work with software that is taxing, like my video editor as long as it doesn't crash like it did on the dev version of 11. I gave it a quick go last night, and it seemed ok. but this is a newer version of hitfilm. They have added automatic proxies editing, that is great for people with less powerful machines.

i have got the taskbar on the top of the screen via a reg tweek, but it is strange as now the start menu is always on the left-hand side.

Not being able to use multiple calenders may be off-putting to some people, I found out today that could not be done.

More difficult to get to the control panel, bad enough in Windows 10, putting software as default is a pain, certainly the browser.
new tabs on Edge is a pain in the neck, while I can get rid of the rubbish that comes up when a new tab is opened, it still tries to write to a cookie, I just want a blank tab.

I should change my sig, to using Windows 11 for a trial

I have control panel on the desktop, if you can find the desktop settings it is easy to enable.

In reply to a post by Banger:

I have control panel on the desktop, if you can find the desktop settings it is easy to enable.

duh, I did not think of that, got other things on my mind, easy enough to find by pressing the Windows key and typing control, I now got it on my taskbar, but I may move it into the start menu as it is not something I am going to use every day.
Thanks for that.

It seems there are performance problems with Windows 11 on newer Ryzen processors, so I'll be holding off on this upgrade for the time being.

https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4038366/windows-red...

I've just forced tried it on an old Laptop to see what all the fuss is about, and to be quite honest I'm glad I did, to me it's just a bit "meh", it should have been just another Windows 10 update. The worst thing for me is all the restrictions on the taskbar, especially when you are forced to have combined taskbar buttons, so you cannot separate having 2 same programs open on 2 different monitors. At least one thing, now I've tried it out, it has actually saved me money on buying a new laptop and 3 new desktops, as I'm now sticking with Windows 10!

In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:

It seems there are performance problems with Windows 11 on newer Ryzen processors, so I'll be holding off on this upgrade for the time being.

https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4038366/windows-red...

It is on older ones as well by all accounts, I saw a post from someone who have the same CPU as me, Ryzen7 1700, and they have noticed the difference. I have not, I have even done a test render in Hitfilm and it was fine.
It is the chipset by all accounts not the CPU, so it will be a patch for Windows.

In reply to a post by BB4Tickton:

I've just forced tried it on an old Laptop to see what all the fuss is about, and to be quite honest I'm glad I did, to me it's just a bit "meh", it should have been just another Windows 10 update. The worst thing for me is all the restrictions on the taskbar, especially when you are forced to have combined taskbar buttons, so you cannot separate having 2 same programs open on 2 different monitors. At least one thing, now I've tried it out, it has actually saved me money on buying a new laptop and 3 new desktops, as I'm now sticking with Windows 10!

I think you hit the nail on the head, this is why I said more seasoned Windows users may not like it, if all you do is click on an icon to run some software and browse the web then it will be fine.
I find not being able to right-click and close all windows a bit of a pain.

Windows 11 offers nothing to be honest apart from a new look, which I do like the look of, but not the restrictions, Windows 11 seems to a bit smoother than 10, but that is about it, stay with Windows 10 if I was you, i will certainly be going back to it at some point.

I am still running W8.1 on my laptop, It's an i5 processor so I assume W11 is not for me.

In reply to a post by gomezz:

I am still running W8.1 on my laptop, It's an i5 processor so I assume W11 is not for me.

I would seriously consider updating to Windows 10 since security updates for W8.1 stopped a long while ago. Whilst Windows 11 is not for me either at the moment, come the year 2025 when security updates for Windows 10 stops, I will update just for those reasons alone.

Depends upon which generation of i5 it is. But if the laptop came with Windows 8 then it is almost certainly too old to run Windows 11. (Personally, I would upgrade it to Windows 10, but each to their own.)

In reply to a post by gomezz:

I am still running W8.1 on my laptop, It's an i5 processor so I assume W11 is not for me.

It should work, you may need to muck around if it has no TPM, but it should work.
But as others said, maybe you should try Windows 10 first, I am surprised you have not updated, but then I licked windows 8 more than 10, so I would love to be able to run it without it crashing on this machine.


As for what I said above about not being able to right click and select close all windows, for some reason that seems to be working now. Very strange.

In reply to a post by gomezz:

I am still running W8.1 on my laptop, It's an i5 processor so I assume W11 is not for me.

i5 is the range (i3, i5, i7, i9) of Intel processors. The first digit (or 2 digits) of the next numbers identifies the generation.

examples:

i7-4790 is a 4th generation i7 (desktop)
i5-10210U is a 10th generation i5 (laptop)

Windows 11 pretty much requires an 8th generation Intel (i3, i5, i7, or i9) or later, and a TPM 2.0 module. That really means computers purchased in/from 2018. (The technical press have debated this at length and concluded MS is using security features in these new processors)

I agree with the others, please upgrade to Win10 for security reasons. Win 10 will be getting security updates until 2025, and you can often upgrade for free (yes still).

Edited by jchamier (Sat 09-Oct-21 12:25:01)

As I've said previously, I've forced Windows 11 onto my old Lenovo T61 laptop (ancient T7300 cpu) and everything is working fine, I'll see if I will get any updates in the next few weeks:

https://ibb.co/3cQwx8K

In reply to a post by BB4Tickton:

I'll see if I will get any updates in the next few weeks

Ha, amusing! I have an X61 with a similar processor also with 4GB RAM that is running Win10. Neither of these laptops has a TPM, long before that was invented.

I doubt they will get any updates. Microsoft isn't pulling any punches this time.

You may be better with Win10 or Linux on a Core2Duo

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by BB4Tickton:

I'll see if I will get any updates in the next few weeks

Ha, amusing! I have an X61 with a similar processor also with 4GB RAM that is running Win10. Neither of these laptops has a TPM, long before that was invented.

I doubt they will get any updates. Microsoft isn't pulling any punches this time.

You may be better with Win10 or Linux on a Core2Duo

On Windows 11 installation, updates did get installed including driver updates.
The Laptop did have Win10 on previously, but just wanted to see if Win11 would work on it

According to the Device Manager, my laptop does have TPM 1.2

https://ibb.co/y8bnrSj

In reply to a post by BB4Tickton:

According to the Device Manager, my laptop does have TPM 1.2

Ha, great! I read somewhere that with 1.2 you can install and use, but it was unclear if you'll get updates. One to watch!

My 2015 desktop with 4th gen i7, has no TPM, so I've not risked trialling it.

A closer look at PC Info says it is an i5-4210U.

Checking back through my emails I see I bought it in 2014.

No plans or functional needs to change it.

Edited by gomezz (Sat 09-Oct-21 16:27:16)

In reply to a post by BB4Tickton:

I would seriously consider updating to Windows 10 since security updates for W8.1 stopped a long while ago.

Actually, Windows 8.1 support ceases in 2023.

10th January, so only just 2023.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

But as others said, maybe you should try Windows 10 first, I am surprised you have not updated, but then I licked windows 8 more than 10,

A strange habit - licking windows

Booted brand new i7 11 Gen PC on Thursday with Win10 loaded. Once initialised it offered a Win11 update ... Not done yet but likely to do before I load all the other apps.

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

Actually, Windows 8.1 support ceases in 2023.

Ahh, my bad, forgot about extended support, but no mention of the Home edition???
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/...

Edited by jchamier (Sat 09-Oct-21 17:31:31)

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Ahh, my bad, forgot about extended support, but no mention of the Home edition???

If I remember rightly, the "Home" edition was simply called "Windows 8.1". I'm not aware it being treated any differently to other editions in terms of support end date.

In reply to a post by MHC:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

But as others said, maybe you should try Windows 10 first, I am surprised you have not updated, but then I licked windows 8 more than 10,

A strange habit - licking windows

LOL,

In reply to a post by MHC:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

But as others said, maybe you should try Windows 10 first, I am surprised you have not updated, but then I licked windows 8 more than 10,

A strange habit - licking windows

LOL,

In reply to a post by MHC:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

But as others said, maybe you should try Windows 10 first, I am surprised you have not updated, but then I licked windows 8 more than 10,

A strange habit - licking windows

LOL,

In reply to a post by MHC:

Booted brand new i7 11 Gen PC on Thursday with Win10 loaded. Once initialised it offered a Win11 update ... Not done yet but likely to do before I load all the other apps.

If you do then make a back-up of windows 10, but unless you really want to use Windows 11, I suggest you stay with 10, Explorer seems freeze far too often. i have been sorting out files on the NAS, internal and external drives and have had far too many freezes with explorer, it comes back, but still not great.
Getting very annoying as well since the send to option is buried in the right context menu.
i think MS still have a fair bit of work to do with Windows 11, and it should never have been released, but then we have seen that before with Microsoft, Windows 10 being the last one that should never have been released when it was.
it is, we will chuck it out there and try and sort out the problems after, seems to be a normal thing these days, certainly for Microsoft. No software is bug free, but there are some nasty bugs in Windows 11.

I will keep it on here until the end of the month just to see if it improves, but then Windows 10 goes back on.

You are probably right ...

In reply to a post by MHC:

You are probably right ...

even more problems, article from Beta news, Microsoft warns of new Windows 11 problems with apps using unusual registry keys

Also, Brother have put out about some of their printer having problems being recognised by Windows 11 via USB, my brother printer is not on the list, but I use Ethernet anyway.

It gets better every day

It's really no different to any other update of Windows (or Mac OS). There are always these odd problems with the early versions. Sensible people leave it to others to sort out the problems and only update when the x.1 or x.2 version is released; the bugs are normally ironed out by then.

In reply to a post by BB4Tickton:

As I've said previously, I've forced Windows 11 onto my old Lenovo T61 laptop (ancient T7300 cpu) and everything is working fine, I'll see if I will get any updates in the next few weeks:

https://ibb.co/3cQwx8K

Just got October updates, ok so far:

https://ibb.co/gMZdhm4

In reply to a post by BB4Tickton:

Just got October updates, ok so far: https://ibb.co/gMZdhm4

Nice one!

I bought an almost new computer and unfortunately, my configuration does not support updating to windows 11. I'm really angry

Edited by cygnuspumbaa (Thu 14-Oct-21 11:01:31)

In reply to a post by cygnuspumbaa:

I bought an almost new computer and unfortunately, my configuration does not support updating to windows 11. I'm really angry

Enable TPM in BIOS: https://kb.newegg.com/knowledge-base/how-to-enable-t...

What specification does it fail on?

In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:

It's really no different to any other update of Windows (or Mac OS). There are always these odd problems with the early versions. Sensible people leave it to others to sort out the problems and only update when the x.1 or x.2 version is released; the bugs are normally ironed out by then.

The odd problem? That is an understatement.
Windows 11 is to be honest a shambles.

In reply to a post by cygnuspumbaa:

I bought an almost new computer and unfortunately, my configuration does not support updating to windows 11. I'm really angry

Does it say why? If it is TPM, then go to the manufacture of your computer website and find out how to switch on TPM.
I would not be too angry, if you really want it, you could install it if you have the know how, but at the moment you are better off without it.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Windows 11 is to be honest a shambles.

I've heard that before with

(omitting earlier ones)
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
Windows 8.1
Windows 10
Every new version of OS X

Most have gone on to be huge successes.

With games, apps and browsers pretty much driving users to upgrade, and MS pushing (and now pretty much forcing) users to upgrade, what's the alternative?

Even hardware is becoming OS specific. Couldn't game on Zen+ or later with Win 7, without a lot of hassle. Win 11 is forcing more hardware requirements.

Local pub does a roaring trade with own-brand beer in the village. No other pub, and no other beer available. Go figure.

In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:

Most have gone on to be huge successes.

I completely agree, and I've seen a lot of the Windows version from 1.01 back in 1985. I actually liked Vista, but I ran it on sensible hardware, not the rubbish PCWorld was selling with XP and then "upgrade for free".

Win11 will need 6 months to bed in, even the open testing with programmes such as Insider (and Apple's equivalent) is no longer actually getting any testers, people sign up to those programmes for bragging rights, and a high percentage don't report a single bug. Which makes sense if they are installing on a 2nd PC and not using the main one - as directed!

Arguably, the most complete version of Windows, right from the start, was Windows 2000. But it wasn't a patch on OS/2. We used to run a remote OS/2 server that was only rebooted every two years or so, and it never missed a beat. That was in the days before constant updates were necessary.

Trouble with OS/2 was the lack of third-party programs. But it integrated really nicely with IBM mainframes.

In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:

Arguably, the most complete version of Windows, right from the start, was Windows 2000. But it wasn't a patch on OS/2. We used to run a remote OS/2 server that was only rebooted every two years or so, and it never missed a beat. That was in the days before constant updates were necessary.

The days before we wired everyone together with this internet thing was a lot simpler!!

In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Windows 11 is to be honest a shambles.

I've heard that before with

(omitting earlier ones)
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
Windows 8.1
Windows 10
Every new version of OS X

Most have gone on to be huge successes.

And they normally go alternative to what did ok and what did not.
Windows 10 was a shambles, but not as bad as Windows 11 I don't think, but MS tricked people into installing that on their machine as they did not want another Windows XP situation with Windows 7.

I liked Windows 8 to be honest, get rid of the silly start screen and replace it with a start menu, and it was ok, I would still be using it now if my machine ran it correctly, but for some reason kept coming up with a memory management error.

As others have said about vista, it was ok with the right hardware.

Windows 11 i think is the worst of the lot, I like the look of it, but so much missing from the taskbar and the bugs and problems, I am going to keep it on here until the end of the month just to see what fixes come.

In reply to a post by camieabz:

With games, apps and browsers pretty much driving users to upgrade, and MS pushing (and now pretty much forcing) users to upgrade, what's the alternative?

Even hardware is becoming OS specific. Couldn't game on Zen+ or later with Win 7, without a lot of hassle. Win 11 is forcing more hardware requirements.

Local pub does a roaring trade with own-brand beer in the village. No other pub, and no other beer available. Go figure.

Microsoft tricked people to update to Windows 10, the amount of times I had to sort out computers where they updated from Windows 7 to 10 and people did not want it.

I found a problem with the default install of 11. If you use the default Nvidia drivers supplied it writes about 2TB to disk a day. Subsequently my Corsair NVME MP510 remaining life was rapidly decreasing as so much was being written to disk from the driver. Solution was upgrade the Display Driver from Nvidia site and problem solved, must have been some sort of leak.

In reply to a post by Banger:

I found a problem with the default install of 11. If you use the default Nvidia drivers supplied it writes about 2TB to disk a day. Subsequently my Corsair NVME MP510 remaining life was rapidly decreasing as so much was being written to disk from the driver. Solution was upgrade the Display Driver from Nvidia site and problem solved, must have been some sort of leak.

That is a strange one, but glad you found the fix. I've also had issues with Nvidia drivers before and just recently with v496.13 which totally messes with my Milestone Xprotect CCTV system.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

. . . I like the look of it, but so much missing from the taskbar . .

It took me 5 hours with Windows 11 before I gave up and reverted to Windows 10. The things that give me problems are basically cosmetic and not problems with the actual OS but are the sort of things that aggravate. For example, there is no longer a clickable option to change the taskbar icon size (and thus the amount of real estate grabbed by the taskbar). This can be fudged using a Registry tweak but selecting a smaller icon size for the taskbar leaves the notification area at the right hand end with the icons misaligned at the bottom of the task bar to the extent that some of the icons only show their top half. This includes the clock so that it is possible to read the time but the date is almost all off-screen. It is also impossible to show the seconds in the clock, only the hours and minutes. There was a Registry tweak in W10 to force the display of seconds but this is now deprecated. The deprecation also means that third party clocks like T-ClockEx will no longer work. That is not Microsoft's problem as they cannot be responsible for third-party software but it just makes the user-interface less friendly.

No idea why that functionality was removed but it means that I will be stopping in my comfort zone with W10 until the functionality is restored or W10 reaches end of life.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:

It seems there are performance problems with Windows 11 on newer Ryzen processors, so I'll be holding off on this upgrade for the time being.

https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4038366/windows-red...

It is on older ones as well by all accounts, I saw a post from someone who have the same CPU as me, Ryzen7 1700, and they have noticed the difference. I have not, I have even done a test render in Hitfilm and it was fine.
It is the chipset by all accounts not the CPU, so it will be a patch for Windows.

AMD and Windows patches needed according to this site. With the general release Windows one due today?

I can't be bothered to install the x86-64 version using MacOS / Parallels as a VM on my existing Intel MacBook. My other intel boxes will keep running W10 native for a good while yet.

When the new MacBook Pro M1 tin arrives in a few weeks, plan to install the insider preview of W11 for ARM and give it a spin under Parallels 17. Should have more than enough horsepower to get it up a decent clip. Will be quite interesting to see what it performs like as a VM

If its utterly terrible I'll revert to W10 for ARM.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

It took me 5 hours with Windows 11 before I gave up and reverted to Windows 10. The things that give me problems are basically cosmetic and not problems with the actual OS but are the sort of things that aggravate. For example, there is no longer a clickable option to change the taskbar icon size (and thus the amount of real estate grabbed by the taskbar). This can be fudged using a Registry tweak but selecting a smaller icon size for the taskbar leaves the notification area at the right hand end with the icons misaligned at the bottom of the task bar to the extent that some of the icons only show their top half. This includes the clock so that it is possible to read the time but the date is almost all off-screen. It is also impossible to show the seconds in the clock, only the hours and minutes. There was a Registry tweak in W10 to force the display of seconds but this is now deprecated. The deprecation also means that third party clocks like T-ClockEx will no longer work. That is not Microsoft's problem as they cannot be responsible for third-party software but it just makes the user-interface less friendly.

No idea why that functionality was removed but it means that I will be stopping in my comfort zone with W10 until the functionality is restored or W10 reaches end of life.

yep, agree with all you said, I have a bit of software called Xmeters and it sticks a display of my ram, hard drives use, network and CPU, onto the taskbar, but it will not work on Windows 11 as Windows 11 don't allow anything to be stuck onto the taskbar.

I am not a fan of the context menus either, I really thought Ms would have fixed them before launch, they have not.

I will be going back to Ten I think at some point. I just wanted to be nosy and also MS said that they did not want me running windows 11 on my machine, umm, don't try to tell me what I should not do.

In reply to a post by pluralist:

AMD and Windows patches needed according to this site. With the general release Windows one due today?

I have installed them, not that I have noticed any difference, but the patches allows balance across the cores.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

I can't be bothered to install the x86-64 version using MacOS / Parallels as a VM on my existing Intel MacBook. My other intel boxes will keep running W10 native for a good while yet.

When the new MacBook Pro M1 tin arrives in a few weeks, plan to install the insider preview of W11 for ARM and give it a spin under Parallels 17. Should have more than enough horsepower to get it up a decent clip. Will be quite interesting to see what it performs like as a VM

If its utterly terrible I'll revert to W10 for ARM.

If I get a Mac, I will certainly not be running Windows on it.
I almost got one a couple of weeks ago, but I will wait and see what Apple does with the new chip.
I do need a keyboard that will work with bother machines.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

If I get a Mac, I will certainly not be running Windows on it.
I almost got one a couple of weeks ago, but I will wait and see what Apple does with the new chip.

I wouldn't buy an old Intel Mac now, get a second hand / 1 year old M1 laptop or Mac Mini. The speed Apple appears to be dropping support in macOS 12 Monterey for Intel based Macs will make some of the Xeon Mac Pro purchasers only 3 years ago very cross I suspect.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

I wouldn't buy an old Intel Mac now, get a second hand / 1 year old M1 laptop or Mac Mini. The speed Apple appears to be dropping support in macOS 12 Monterey for Intel based Macs will make some of the Xeon Mac Pro purchasers only 3 years ago very cross I suspect.

No it will not be an Intel machine, I tend to stay away from Intel, but i did come close to getting one before I built this machine I have now, due to AMD taking so long to bring out the Ryzen.
One of the reason I am looking at the Mac is because of the change of processor.
I never thought about second hand, but would I really save that much money due to the machine being so new? We know how Macs hold on to their value.

My mac owning friend is looking at a Mac mini, not sure why as she has enough Macs to start a shop with

Mac Mini M1 at CEX (ie, with a 24month warranty) is around £575, compared to £700 from Apple direct, so a bit of a discount.

Given the mini is only the box and power cable, there is less risk as its a sealed box. No screen to scratch, or keys to fail etc

You can chuck in any USB keyboard. They all work. I regularly interchange my wired ‘PC’ and Mac keyboards, depending on what’s to hand, and they all just well..work. No drama.

Edited by Pheasant (Thu 28-Oct-21 13:37:30)

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

You can chuck in any USB keyboard. They all work. I regularly interchange my wired ‘PC’ and Mac keyboards, depending on what’s to hand, and they all just well..work. No drama.

Yep, I use a PC USB keyboard with my Mac Mini, just tell the Mac in the Preferences that it is a "British - PC" keyboard, otherwise you have issues typing " or @