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Standard User Bobby_Valentino
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 11-Dec-11 11:19:14
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Just happened to check the BT Wholesale checker (to check for any updates) which used to read:

Your cabinet is planned to have WBC FTTC by 31st December 2011. Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 33.8Mbps and upstream line speed of 13.3Mbps.

...And now that same exact message has disappeared! Whats going on?!

Should I be worried? Is this a sign telling me that BT have scrapped upgrading my cab? (even though its physically installed in its position and according to londonworks.gov.uk website, the power is going in this week)

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 11-Dec-11 11:39:56
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The checker says nothing (and never has) for my line despite the cabinet being installed over the past few weeks. My exchange is in the "future exchanges" list.

But then Openreach seems to think it is getting FTTP now rather than FTTC which is what it used to say (in those lists).

I don't think anyone knows what is happening and when.

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Standard User Bobby_Valentino
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 11-Dec-11 11:59:56
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My exchagne has been enabled for FTTC since September. All the documents released show my cab being enabled for FTTC (Including the document that shows 100% of lines connecting to cab 5 as being enabled) on 31st December 2011.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 11-Dec-11 13:10:00
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hi

where did you find the info about your actual cab? the same has happened to me for the checker website. I would really like to know what cab i am on, as it could be one of two cabs which my line goes to.

Jeremy
Standard User lockyatlrg
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 11-Dec-11 13:18:08
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the exact same thing has happened to my parents address, despite their cab being installed a few days ago, it was meant to go live in march. in fact the data for the Burton on Trent exchange has all gone. nice one BT.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 11-Dec-11 13:21:44
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This usually, (not always), means it is about to become live. Like within 3 days.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 11-Dec-11 13:25:07
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In reply to a post by jeremybailey:
hi

where did you find the info about your actual cab? the same has happened to me for the checker website. I would really like to know what cab i am on, as it could be one of two cabs which my line goes to.

Jeremy
What's your postcode Jeremy?

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 11-Dec-11 13:28:49
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Hi Sent you a message

thanks
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 11-Dec-11 14:12:41
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Remember that we are now in the "quaint" period 2-3 weeks before an end-of-quarter.

This is the time that the checker traditionally changes all the "End of December" dates into "End of March" dates.

It is not unusual for those changes to also cause some dates to disappear for a short while - perhaps a few hours, or perhaps a couple of dates.
Standard User Bobby_Valentino
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 11-Dec-11 14:25:46
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
This usually, (not always), means it is about to become live. Like within 3 days.

Oh really? Did the same happen for you aswell?

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 11-Dec-11 14:31:35
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Same has happened to my number too - i think its changing again to delay another 3 months (my cab hasnt been done).

Probably worth checking again in 24 hours
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 11-Dec-11 15:23:55
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Yes, it's quite common. Mine jumped backwards and forwards a couple of times for a week or two, then disappeared. To return with a date either live or just a couple of days ahead, I forget.

As the others have said, an "end of quarter" date is often just a holding date, meaning little, and late in a month can slip 3 or 6 months. I've never heard of it disappearing in those circumstances though, just altering. Though maybe it can, judging by what has just been posted here. It's still a bit early in December for that I would have thought anyway, though I could be wrong frown.

It has always been very unsatisfactory.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 11-Dec-11 15:32:28
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This time last year (almost to the day), my date changed on a (close to) daily basis for 8 days, with dates ranging from end-December through to the end of the next September - going back and forth between them, and also disappeared too.

In the end, while the neighbouring cabinets went live (and had installs) by the end of December, mine got pushed back to near the end of March and the install only happened in June.

It teaches you patience, or lets you know how little patience you have!
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sun 11-Dec-11 15:44:03
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In reply to a post by Bobby_Valentino:
Your cabinet is planned to have WBC FTTC by 31st December 2011...

I'm in the same situation - it was 31st December 2011, but now it's never!

However, when I went here and clicked on the Plusnet logo, Plusnet say it'll be available 19th April 2012.

Bummer!
Standard User Bobby_Valentino
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 11-Dec-11 15:58:50
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
In reply to a post by Bobby_Valentino:
Your cabinet is planned to have WBC FTTC by 31st December 2011...

I'm in the same situation - it was 31st December 2011, but now it's never!

However, when I went here and clicked on the Plusnet logo, Plusnet say it'll be available 19th April 2012.

Bummer!

I clicked on that same link and my exchange lists down as April 2011.

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Sun 11-Dec-11 16:02:30
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In reply to a post by Bobby_Valentino:
I clicked on that same link and my exchange lists down as April 2011.


Exchange enabled for FTTC doesn't mean you can get it on your cab. My exchange (THFB) has been enabled since 2009 I believe. Still no service on cab 5 (PCP 5) but surrounding streets are up and running. Planning issues apparently frown

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Standard User Saltank
(member) Sun 11-Dec-11 16:04:45
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At least you have dates. I had a new telephone line installed, and instead of connecting it to an exchange which is closer and already has FTTC enabled, they connected to an exchange with a bit more capacity but coming in Mar 2012! So I am stuck on abysmal 3/1 DSL

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Standard User Bobby_Valentino
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 11-Dec-11 16:19:20
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In reply to a post by jchamier:
In reply to a post by Bobby_Valentino:
I clicked on that same link and my exchange lists down as April 2011.


Exchange enabled for FTTC doesn't mean you can get it on your cab. My exchange (THFB) has been enabled since 2009 I believe. Still no service on cab 5 (PCP 5) but surrounding streets are up and running. Planning issues apparently frown

Yeah I know. Its weird not seeing the fibre message being displayed especially when the phone number has been inputted in. And I'm looking at the proposed power plans to be installed in this week aswell. Something doesn't add up with the BT checker at the moment. **Confused**

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 11-Dec-11 16:20:24
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That's because, looking at the "Fibre in the UK, see when fibre arrives" box, you are looking at a very old marketing message. 19th April 2011 was when Plusnet started selling fibre connections, so every exchange that was already in service got labelled with this date.

And because it is a static marketing message, I don't think it has been updated *since* 19th April either.

If you use the "Check availability" buttons, you get a better answer. Or you need to use a live dynamic checker that tells you about the current status of your own individual line, such as:
http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/adsl/adslchecker.welcome

However, both of those will dpend on the same BT database that you've now disappeared from. You might need to wait until it comes back.
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sun 11-Dec-11 16:36:46
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In reply to a post by Bobby_Valentino:
I clicked on that same link and my exchange lists down as April 2011.

OOPS! It does indeed state 2011.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 12-Dec-11 09:34:22
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BT wholesale site was updated this morning with exchanges to Jun 2012.. http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/super-...

Sadly does not include my exchange...
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 12-Dec-11 11:10:58
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In reply to a post by Bobby_Valentino:
In reply to a post by RobertoS:
This usually, (not always), means it is about to become live. Like within 3 days.

Oh really? Did the same happen for you aswell?


Looking at the site again this morning, the fttc coming soon message has been removed from most of the numbers i checked only a few days ago... will check again in a few days.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 12-Dec-11 14:53:04
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Yep my cabinet appears to have dropped off the checker also.

Oh well, they only delayed the exchange by a year and listed it as 'enabled' with very few cabinets completed so I doubt I'm the only person in Twickenham to see that. Very little sign of OR construction at all around the PCPs.
Standard User TheManStan
(newbie) Mon 12-Dec-11 16:59:35
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Cowley exchange (SMCO) has also dropped off, it had a 31-Dec-2011... so we'll just have to wait and see.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 12-Dec-11 18:24:28
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My exchange appears to have jumped up from "Future exchanges" to "Coming soon" with a date of Dec 2011.

This hasn't yet percolated through to the likes of Samknows or BT's dslchecker (and from testing a few numbers known to be on different cabinets, none yet show FTTC or FTTP as coming soon).

Interestingly it *still* says I'm getting FTTP. I remain unconvinced.
Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Mon 12-Dec-11 19:07:10
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In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:
Yep my cabinet appears to have dropped off the checker also.


Same here - checker shows no WBC FTTC line anymore, and BT Infinity site no longer says "coming soon". frown frown

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(deleted) Tue 13-Dec-11 17:17:08
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Has anybody had any developments on this with the checker?

doesnt mention anything for me still, it has completely disappeared, no mention of WBC FTTC at all..
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Tue 13-Dec-11 17:58:44
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My line has dropped of the checker a few days ago the FTTC cab has been there since the beginning of August I also had a date of 31st December this has been pushed back about 3 times now.
Standard User Andrue
(knowledge is power) Wed 14-Dec-11 08:54:12
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In reply to a post by Naan_H:
Has anybody had any developments on this with the checker?

doesnt mention anything for me still, it has completely disappeared, no mention of WBC FTTC at all..
Mine used to give a fibre estimate and a date of 'by 31st March 2012'. I went on it today just to check (the new cab is now in place and workmen have left). Now it doesn't say anything about fibre.

Perhaps they have to remove the old information before putting something new in there? I'll have to check back later, lol.

Andrue Cope
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Edited by Andrue (Wed 14-Dec-11 08:54:30)

Standard User Andrue
(knowledge is power) Wed 14-Dec-11 08:55:39
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
My line has dropped of the checker a few days ago the FTTC cab has been there since the beginning of August I also had a date of 31st December this has been pushed back about 3 times now.
Lol, that's encouraging then. My cab went up last week and now the checker has dropped FTTC from my estimate. Oh well - the longer it takes the more time Be have to come up with a product.

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This may be linked to RIchmond Councillors objecting to any cabinets in the borough. Suggest an equiry to your local councillor and planning department, possibly followed by one to the local paper!
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 14-Dec-11 18:19:37
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In reply to a post by Andrue:
In reply to a post by Naan_H:
Has anybody had any developments on this with the checker?

doesnt mention anything for me still, it has completely disappeared, no mention of WBC FTTC at all..
Mine used to give a fibre estimate and a date of 'by 31st March 2012'. I went on it today just to check (the new cab is now in place and workmen have left). Now it doesn't say anything about fibre.

Perhaps they have to remove the old information before putting something new in there? I'll have to check back later, lol.


Is it a big cab or a small one ?
Standard User Andrue
(knowledge is power) Wed 14-Dec-11 19:24:14
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
In reply to a post by Andrue:
In reply to a post by Naan_H:
Has anybody had any developments on this with the checker?

doesnt mention anything for me still, it has completely disappeared, no mention of WBC FTTC at all..
Mine used to give a fibre estimate and a date of 'by 31st March 2012'. I went on it today just to check (the new cab is now in place and workmen have left). Now it doesn't say anything about fibre.

Perhaps they have to remove the old information before putting something new in there? I'll have to check back later, lol.


Is it a big cab or a small one ?
Seems a fairly normal size to me. 1 metre tall, two metres wide.

Andrue Cope
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Standard User lockyatlrg
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 14-Dec-11 19:56:23
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My parents has dropped off the checker despite the cab being installed last week. I'm sure BT will update soon, If not soon then after the holidays, for those that have cabs installed, don't worry you will have a fibre service shortly.

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Sync 39999D 9995U
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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Wed 14-Dec-11 20:35:16
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In reply to a post by lockyatlrg:
My parents has dropped off the checker despite the cab being installed last week. I'm sure BT will update soon, If not soon then after the holidays.


The question is for those of us still awaiting an FTTC cab to be fitted, the estimates have now vanished. Does that mean "never" or "keep waiting" ?

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 14-Dec-11 20:47:19
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Judging by the number, and persistance of, all these posts about it they have pulled an awful lot while they do a proper (??) review of the schedule for 2012.

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(deleted) Wed 14-Dec-11 21:00:30
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checking on talk talk's website it now says march 2012 for me.
Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Wed 14-Dec-11 22:55:10
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Judging by the number, and persistance of, all these posts about it they have pulled an awful lot while they do a proper (??) review of the schedule for 2012.


Yeah that would be logical. Out of interest does your active line still mention FTTC?

I note other places that pull BT data (e.g. ADSL24's checker) now report that FTTC is not available which could just be interpretation of 'no data'.

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 14-Dec-11 23:19:06
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Yep. 17a profile too.

Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 28.9Mbps and upstream line speed of 11.5Mbps.

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(deleted) Thu 15-Dec-11 08:51:03
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In reply to a post by lockyatlrg:
for those that have cabs installed, don't worry you will have a fibre service shortly.


LOL, six months from cab in and still waiting!!!
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(deleted) Thu 15-Dec-11 09:08:30
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9 months Cab in - date now slipped from Dec 31st to March 2012...

Oh well, its not like its important or anything...

Might have to move house at this rate!!
Standard User john7
(member) Thu 15-Dec-11 11:08:06
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Out of interest I tried the BT checker, its not very reliable is it. I have a BT line that�s been in for some 20years it said there wasn�t one or it was too new for have it recorded. It said ASDL+ was due February 2012, well its moved from October this year, to Feb 2012, to March and now June on other BT sites. It said my current line speed was up to 2Mb and with + up to 2,5Mb. But I am currently on just under 5Mb. Is there any reliable information given on it?
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In reply to a post by New_Londoner:
This may be linked to RIchmond Councillors objecting to any cabinets in the borough. Suggest an equiry to your local councillor and planning department, possibly followed by one to the local paper!


Nah that's all been settled now, was a big planning meeting a while ago where approval was given for nearly all of BT's planning requests, including my own PCP.
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Yep. 17a profile too.

Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 28.9Mbps and upstream line speed of 11.5Mbps.


That doesn't indicate 17a, a 40/15 product has been released on 8c.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 15-Dec-11 14:10:10
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In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:
In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Yep. 17a profile too.

Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 28.9Mbps and upstream line speed of 11.5Mbps.
That doesn't indicate 17a, a 40/15 product has been released on 8c.
Without checking back through everything, I thought the 40/15 product had been withdrawn by Openreach for anything except current live connections? As previously my upload estimate was well under 10Mbps I would be fairly certain I am now on 17a. I don't intend to flash my modem to find out smile.

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My exchange is among the new rollouts but for dec 2012, yet when i go to Bt checker i get this report and have been getting it for 6 months or so.

Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed between 30.3 to 32.5 Mbps and upstream line speed between 11 to 11.7 Mbps.
Standard User Andrue
(knowledge is power) Thu 15-Dec-11 15:49:57
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I don't intend to flash my modem to find out smile.
There's nothing wrong with a bit of flashing in moderation laugh

Andrue Cope
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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 15-Dec-11 17:19:48
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There is if anything ends up bricked!

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 15-Dec-11 17:21:50
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In reply to a post by Harold:
My exchange is among the new rollouts but for dec 2012, yet when i go to Bt checker i get this report and have been getting it for 6 months or so.

Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed between 30.3 to 32.5 Mbps and upstream line speed between 11 to 11.7 Mbps.
That type of estimate is normal for anywhere that is scheduled or live for FTTC. Daft wording, but "there it is" frown.

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Thu 15-Dec-11 20:03:18
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]That type of estimate is normal for anywhere that is scheduled or live for FTTC.


"is" or "was" normal ?

My line in Farnborough, Hants - was saying that text until Sunday night
My parents in Crawley, Sussex - was saying that text until Sunday night

Friends in other towns around the UK - the same, and other posters here.

What are OR doing to us ? frown

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 15-Dec-11 20:46:55
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"is".
Just a hiatus in the system at the moment.

The point I was actually making to that poster was that the blah about "customers have received" is garbage, and the "line supports" doesn't mean it is available.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk
My domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost. Internet connection - IDNet Home Starter Fibre. Live BQM.

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
Standard User lockyatlrg
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 15-Dec-11 21:36:05
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you would have to be unlucky or retarded to brick one though, I have done 10+ now with 100% success, get flashing it already smile

BT Infinity
ROUTER:-Netgear WNDR37AV
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Sync 39999D 9995U
Attenuation: 9.6 SNR: 22.6
Line Length 300meters
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I am hearing from some people here and elsewhere that the checker says march 2012. It still has not updated for me.

I took a walk up to my cabinet last night, about 10 metres away from it (in the direction to the exchange), the pavement had 'BT' sprayed and a squiggle next to it. This is definitely new - is this likely a blocked duct? i hope so!

anyway sorry for derailing the thread a little - i just need to know if there is progress!
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(sensei) Thu 15-Dec-11 23:20:37
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[cough]
(as they used to say at an army medical)
Don't take things too literally. Andrue's post was an owl. (If you weren't a Twin Peaks addict you will need that explaining).

As for my reply, have you never heard of what two bricks can be used for?

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk
My domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost. Internet connection - IDNet Home Starter Fibre. Live BQM.

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Interesting that the upstream speeds changed to match the 17a profile upgrade, the downstream speeds didn't.

My pre-installation estimate was for 30.1 down and 6.1 up - when I actually got 36 down and 10 up.

Since the 17a rollout, the estimate stays at 30.1 down and 11.3 up. My actual is limited to 40/10 based on the current package, but the maximum attainable (according to the modem) is 61 down and 16 up.
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(sensei) Thu 15-Dec-11 23:55:59
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Last time I searched back to check, my downstream hadn't changed either. Presumably it's a bit like ADSL2+ v ADSL, at certain distances the different frequencies are attenuated out of usefulness.

I'm about 600m from the cabinet.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk
My domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost. Internet connection - IDNet Home Starter Fibre. Live BQM.

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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(deleted) Fri 16-Dec-11 00:43:12
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guys its updated!

says i can get infinity, but my cab has not been upgraded?!

this is on the bt infinity website, it says 'order now'

the adsl checker says:

Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 31Mbps and upstream line speed of 11.9Mbps.

Is this a joke? i sure hope its not, but there is definitely no fibre cabinet near mine. There is one 100m up the road next to another PCP. Could it be connected up to it?
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(Unregistered)Fri 16-Dec-11 07:47:56
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well mine has gone live this morning was not expecting that nice one smile
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(knowledge is power) Fri 16-Dec-11 08:43:44
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In reply to a post by Naan_H:
guys its updated!

says i can get infinity, but my cab has not been upgraded?!

this is on the bt infinity website, it says 'order now'


Exactly the same here ; interesting!

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
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No, it's because the upstream figure is for 8c on a 40/15 product, it's also why no-one has an estimate above 40Mb down and 15Mb up even if they live next door to the PCP.

Mine has just been updated.

Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 37Mbps and upstream line speed of 13.3Mbps.

I'm less than 50m from the PCP, the fibre cabinet is going about 5m further away.
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(knowledge is power) Fri 16-Dec-11 09:08:17
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In reply to a post by jchamier:
In reply to a post by Naan_H:
guys its updated!

says i can get infinity, but my cab has not been upgraded?!

this is on the bt infinity website, it says 'order now'
Hmmm. Mine has updated as well:

"Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 33.3Mbps and upstream line speed of 12.6Mbps."

I'm gonna give someone a call smile
Exactly the same here ; interesting!


Andrue Cope
Brackley, UK

Just because he can smile
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Mine updated too again! and now its ordered, install in the new year

so thought i was off the roll-out plans! smile
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(learned) Fri 16-Dec-11 10:04:07
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Time to order it then for all those who have available now on the checker.

Sooner you order sooner it will arrive, but like the post may be after the date for Christmas!
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(knowledge is power) Fri 16-Dec-11 11:24:54
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In reply to a post by jeremybailey:
Mine updated too again! and now its ordered, install in the new year

so thought i was off the roll-out plans! smile
Ordered mine today, haven't got back to me with dates but they reckon mid-January. That's fine for me. It wasn't likely to be next week and I'm away after that for Christmas.

All in all pretty good actually. They only started work a couple of weeks ago. Then again I think mine's the first cabinet the cable reaches so it probably had to be enabled first.

Andrue Cope
Brackley, UK

Just because he can smile

Edited by Andrue (Fri 16-Dec-11 11:29:18)

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(knowledge is power) Fri 16-Dec-11 11:27:44
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
[cough]
(as they used to say at an army medical)
Don't take things too literally. Andrue's post was an owl. (If you weren't a Twin Peaks addict you will need that explaining).

As for my reply, have you never heard of what two bricks can be used for?
To misquote Pterry Pratchett: "Never stand behind a camel while carrying two bricks"

laugh

Andrue Cope
Brackley, UK

Just because he can smile
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(deleted) Fri 16-Dec-11 11:57:44
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The checker has now dropped the FTTC paragraph again for numbers near me - anyone else?

I imagine there's been some database issues, looks like a lot of cancelled orders coming.......
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(Unregistered)Fri 16-Dec-11 12:14:31
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In reply to a post by Justo:
The checker has now dropped the FTTC paragraph again for numbers near me - anyone else?

The same event for my number.
30 minutes ago I could get FTTC up to 10/33 (estimate). Now I can only have ADSL2+ 1.5/19.5 (estimate).
It appears that I'm stuck with ADSL2+ Annex M 2.5/16.8 for the foreseeable future.
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Mine said i could order this morning got my MAC code and it has gone again.. come on BT sort your house out
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I have had the exact same issue. Before I could get FTTC, then earlier I could order it, now it's gone again.
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(knowledge is power) Fri 16-Dec-11 15:37:13
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In reply to a post by Justo:
The checker has now dropped the FTTC paragraph again for numbers near me - anyone else?

I imagine there's been some database issues, looks like a lot of cancelled orders coming.......
Yup gone for me as well. BTw are a bunch of muppets. Oh well it's not like I need a faster connection but I hate being mucked about.

Been a bad day for BT in that respect. I got an email saying it was time to renew my phone package. Followed the link to renew it and just got an apology about a technical error. Decided to do it over the phone only to be told I couldn't renew for another week. Again - the renewal doesn't excite me but being mucked about annoys me.

Andrue Cope
Brackley, UK

Just because he can smile
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(knowledge is power) Fri 16-Dec-11 18:44:52
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Yup gone for me as well. BTw are a bunch of muppets. Oh well it's not like I need a faster connection but I hate being mucked about.


Yep it looks like this morning was a database screwup. One of my friends (in sussex) tried to order, and the online chat on BT Infinity's page popped up and the person the other end confirmed the data was wrong and he can't get it. His exchange isn't even FTTC enabled yet (due April 2012 on samknows).

At least mine should be possible - people near me have FTTC, just we don't frown

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
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(knowledge is power) Fri 16-Dec-11 19:26:14
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In reply to a post by Andrue:
Yup gone for me as well. BTw are a bunch of muppets. Oh well it's not like I need a faster connection but I hate being mucked about.


Yep it looks like this morning was a database screwup. One of my friends (in sussex) tried to order, and the online chat on BT Infinity's page popped up and the person the other end confirmed the data was wrong and he can't get it. His exchange isn't even FTTC enabled yet (due April 2012 on samknows).

At least mine should be possible - people near me have FTTC, just we don't frown
That sucks.

My order was accepted by IDNet so it remains to be seen. They say they are a bit short-staffed at the moment so hopefully it'll just be rejected on Monday. I hope it isn't currently part way through BT's systems because they have a habit of just cancelling every service on a line and starting over.

Andrue Cope
Brackley, UK

Just because he can smile
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(knowledge is power) Fri 16-Dec-11 19:31:07
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That sucks.
Quite useless from as big an organisation as BT, you'd think they'd have testing and staging servers before database changes were visible externally.

My order was accepted by IDNet so it remains to be seen. They say they are a bit short-staffed at the moment so hopefully it'll just be rejected on Monday. I hope it isn't currently part way through BT's systems because they have a habit of just cancelling every service on a line and starting over.
Eek, hope that IDnet catch it.

I'm hoping we will get FTTC eventually, but if BTOR were able to say "no, we can't ever service your property" would be ok - I'd sign up to VM's 100mbps service. Due to latency issues here its inferior to an FTTC service but it is higher bandwidth upload than my ADSL2+.

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(fountain of knowledge) Fri 16-Dec-11 20:06:15
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Well there has been some changes... a friend who's connected to the same exchange but different cab has had his FTTC message reappear with a new date set to 31st March 2012.

In my case the FTTC message is still missing. Could this be due to the power being connected up next week? (Power planning shows it starts today and ends on the 22nd Dec)

My Broadband Speed Test
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Still I bit frustrating my cab has been sat there since the beginning of August and all the others are active except this one can anyone shed some light on why my cab is not on yet Rossendale exchange cab 24
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Bobby valentino it has updated again - now saying March 2012 as expected!

Knew last night was too good to be true.

Must be blocked ducts to my cab - otherwise i would have thought they would not bother anymore and say on the checker that its not due to have FTTC.
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The checker has now dropped the FTTC paragraph again for numbers near me - anyone else?


Yep, here too - yesterday morning I was being given the choice to order FTTC, then it went away and now it says 'by 31st March 2012' though I would expect it to be sooner as I have seen a number of cab's go in over the last month.

Interestingly, the BT checker for my o2 llu line has also changed for ADSL2+ as well.

It previously said ''your line currently supports an estimated ADSL2+ broadband line speed of 6Mbps; typically the line speed would range between 5Mbps and 7Mbps'.

It now states 'your line currently supports an estimated ADSL2+ broadband line speed of 8Mbps; typically the line speed would range between 6.5Mbps and 14Mbps.'!

Has this happened to anyone else? I wonder why the sudden change?

I did try restarting my router but am still getting between 5.5 and 6Mbps... :/
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I did try restarting my router but am still getting between 5.5 and 6Mbps... :/
It's unlikely that restarting your router would have any effect. Changes reported by the wholesale checker relate to major upgrades and you usually have to talk to your ISP - and most likely pay extra - in order to be moved onto a different package.

I think it's very unlikely that a)your line would suddenly be improved or b)that the wholesale checker would report the fact.

Andrue Cope
Brackley, UK

Just because he can smile

Edited by Andrue (Sat 17-Dec-11 08:24:53)

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(knowledge is power) Sat 17-Dec-11 08:26:43
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Bobby valentino it has updated again - now saying March 2012 as expected!

Knew last night was too good to be true.

Must be blocked ducts to my cab - otherwise i would have thought they would not bother anymore and say on the checker that its not due to have FTTC.
Lol, yeah mine has changed. Now it's just confusing:

"Your cabinet is planned to have WBC FTTC by 31st March 2012. Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 33.3Mbps and upstream line speed of 12.6Mbps."

Andrue Cope
Brackley, UK

Just because he can smile
Standard User gt94sss2
(experienced) Sat 17-Dec-11 08:55:32
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I think it's very unlikely that a)your line would suddenly be improved or b)that the wholesale checker would report the fact.


Its an ADSL 2+ LLU line so the speed should be the best available anyway but you are right that its a 'surprise' that that the line checker seems to think the quality of the line has increased so much..

No idea why.. thats why I was asking if others had ever seen the same thing? Could be an error (as my sync speeds haven't changed) and/or BT have fiddled with something else while installing FTTC locally..
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]Lol, yeah mine has changed. Now it's just confusing:

"Your cabinet is planned to have WBC FTTC by 31st March 2012. Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 33.3Mbps and upstream line speed of 12.6Mbps."


Mine reports the same; "speeds of 30.7Mbps and upstream line speed of 11Mbps".

That's the 6th date change :-/

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
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Aye, any mention of FTTC had disappeared for me too - but now it's back, with *snare roll* - you've guessed it, a new arrival date! (was 31st December 2011).

Your cabinet is planned to have WBC FTTC by 31st March 2012. Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 31.8Mbps and upstream line speed of 12.6Mbps.
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Me three frown

Your cabinet is planned to have WBC FTTC by 31st March 2012. Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 31Mbps and upstream line speed of 12.6Mbps.
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Me three frown

Your cabinet is planned to have WBC FTTC by 31st March 2012. Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 31Mbps and upstream line speed of 12.6Mbps.
I love the way yours has the same upstream speed as me but lower downstream. Wonder how they figure that out?

Andrue Cope
Brackley, UK

Just because he can smile
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Knowing BT, it's based on a random number generator years of experience wink
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Ah mines changed to 31st March 2012 grrrrrrr.

My Broadband Speed Test

Edited by Bobby_Valentino (Sat 17-Dec-11 16:59:38)

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Likewise... just have to be patient...
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Ah mines changed to 31st March 2012 grrrrrrr.
I've just had confirmation that my order has been rejected by BT. My existing services are supposed to be unaffected.

Andrue Cope
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belatedly finding this forum have realised i went thru same thing as many of u. available on fri morn... MAC code by afternoon... no longer available. Partic painful when your current 'broadband' is 750kb... does that even count as broadband?... my mobile phone gives me faster internet access it seems. chances that its actually ready by March 31st?... slim-to-none.
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well mine became available this morning again lets see how long that lasts !!!
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