Battlefield 3.....Your Honest opinion.

Anyone totally blown away by it,Anyone cancelled a pre/order based on what they have seen and played ?

I am disappointed after seeing such a beautiful looking game 6 months ago and thought i was actually playing a playstation 2 game for the 10 minutes i spent trying to play it.

People will say you can not give a game only 10 minutes and come to a conclusion especially as this is a beta,personally i think EA/Dice have done themselves no favours as this does not showcase what a Battlefield game is all about,which is massive maps with vehicles and a lot going on.

I feel that this game when released is going to get some flack and not do half as well as EA/DICE expected.

If it sells well and I'm wrong then all is well and Battlefield fans will rejoice,but there is a lot of people who are hardened Battlefield supporters not happy with what they see around many a Gaming forum.

Edited by time2die (Sat 08-Oct-11 01:13:26)

Totally awesome game! There's a HUGE amount of potential and we have thus far only been playing a test version. EA/DICE wanted to see how their server backend would cope and to fiddle with the netcode. For once I believe them when they say the game on release will be much better.

It will not disappoint on the PC when it's released. At least not spectacularly. There will be niggles and plenty of them though. Some of them could be huge but unless something seriously goes wrong they will not condemn the game to bargain bin oblivion. As ever though, it will take a long time to optimise the game - it always does with a game like this. The biggest failing of DICE/EA in my experience has been supporting the game properly. There were so many things they could have done to fix previous games in the franchise but they are always moving forward and seem only to care about the bottom line. However, they do deliver a good if not flawed game so I feel very strongly the game - judging by what I've seen on the PC so far - will be epic!

Believe me, I know my Battlefield series and after playing the Caspian Border map (on PC) we are going to be in for a treat. I actually really enjoy playing the Metro map too. I think it's damn good actually. I fail to understand why people like you seem to hate it so completely on the console but I have not even played it at all so wouldn't judge beyond what we already know. I can't speak for the console version but basing your opinion on the game as a whole with just 10 minutes play time is just silly. Okay, so maybe the style of game isn't for you but then you never gave it a chance.

You follow your natural reaction to switch off a game after no time at all and I've said it before and will say it again, you REALLY OUGHT to give games like Battlefield 3 a fighting chance. So, you may not have the patience to play a buggy beta but I think you'd actually really enjoy the game if - for once - you just knuckled down and really gave it the length of time needed to finally see what it's all about. It takes a little while but once it crystalises in your mind, you won't likely want to play anything else in the online military shooter genre for a while. Trust me. You'd thank me too. But I feel I'd have to come round to your place and tie you to your chair or something.

I'd urge you to buy the game unreservedly if you had the stomach to use your PC for gaming. Otherwise wait and see if the console version improves. The only way EA/DICE could fail is in not delivering a much improved version for the console crowd. As far as the PC is concerned it's gonna be a win and a BIG ONE at that. I'm gonna have to qualify my confidence in the game by stating that I'd like to see how many maps are coming our way. I'm sure there will be loads of expansion packs for this. It's probably a shame DICE won't support external modding but then that's not unusual these days.

I think I would enjoy the game, but the visuals are poor. And I know we've all said before it's not JUST about the visuals. But it needs to be really up there if its only running at 25-30 fps!

I played it for a couple of hours and enjoyed myself. The trouble is I got home the next night and wasn't in any rush to play it again. And the same thing has happened ever since. I keep thinking I want to load it up again, but then end up doing something else. If it looked great it might give me a bit more oomph to play again.

I also think as an early beta (or whatever DICE would want to classify it as) it has schoolboyed itself from a marketing perspective. If you release next to COD and claim you will blow it out of the water, you really need to showcase what your product can do. A closed beta for fans of the series and people seasoned in the quality reduction of code that is "apparently" just to test server load, would have been better. It's marketing 101 really. Don't wind up a huge anticipation of your product and then offer a sub par version for the world to see before release.

I am hopeful that the release version will be better. I am not hopeful that it will be supported properly (not that IW are any better on that score). But from yours and others enthusiasm for the Caspian Border map etcetera, I believe I could really like this game on the next generation. The trouble for me is that if you go for reality then it has to be immersive. And for that I personally need top notch visuals, especially if the games pace is slower and lasts longer.

I hope I will really enjoy the co-op and campaign part of the game. I think the visuals will be better as is the norm in most games. I am one of those gaming pensioners that doesnt jump straight into MP without playing through the campaign first!

But I have cancelled my pre order on the graphical premise, and to be honest (as someone who has never played betas on a regular basis) probably wouldn't have done so if I had been left with just that anticipation.
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Nice Honest thoughts guys and you can certainly comment more about the game than me having played so little.

I will see how the game turns out when released and decide then but i know where my time will be spent and its another reason why I'm not sold on Battlefield

Yeah tie me to a chair and possibly cut my ear of like Resovouir dogs then i might sit there for more than 10 minutes.

Your possibly right in saying i don't give certain games much time but i have played previous games quite a lot and they don't give me the excitement i require when playing a FPS game.

I dare say Spook that i will not let the game sit on a shelf and more than likely pick it up,problem is its released so close to a game that i love.

Edited by time2die (Sat 08-Oct-11 10:32:52)

Just had a shot on the PC version and my CPU alarm goes through the roof! Max temps even with side panel off. Could have alot to do with the OC probably so will clock down and try it. Might just be me but I`m interested in how the console version plays so will download the demo for that, mouse and keyboard is just odd to me now

I really enjoyed the first couple of nights I played it on the PC but after that my experience went downhill. I run a decent machine: Win 7, quad core2, 6GB RAM but my gfx card cannot cope with the game and it became very jittery and not enjoyable. I don't think that at this stage it is worth me spending a couple of hundred quid on a new gfx card just to play this game with xmas round the corner, the money can be better spent elsewhere.

Looks like its my overclock is a wee bit too high, I`m not even sure what res its running at ??
Does anyone else get red flashing on screen, it would seem that the games needs a bit of work, defo trying it on console, all I read on the PC chat boxes is so and so is a cheating Mofo etc etc. Nothing has changed since way back in my early COD days on the PC

Edited by deleted (Sat 08-Oct-11 12:19:46)

I'm a big BF PC fan and have been playing since BF:1942. I think this will be a great game and continue with the BF style of gameplay. If I could afford a couple hundred for a new GFX card, I probably would.

Minimum card upgrade would be a NVIDIA GTX 560 Gigabyte.

Accusations of cheating? Yup. Nothing changes eh?

Red flashing definitely isn't normal. That sounds more like your graphics card getting too hot? Are you overclocking that too?

I've been running my PC with the side panel off too. The hot weather has resulted in some record temperatures for my machine. Today though, they are back in the normal range - some 8 deg C below what they were at the peak of our Indian Summer.

It's a shame the console version has let down expectations for so many. Understandably, visuals are a key component to the enjoyment of a class leading game and I wouldn't blame anyone for not getting the game on those grounds, especially with MW3 just round the corner. Still, the game hasn't launched yet so hopefully (for the console players), the game will be much improved. Though on a pessimistic level, it hardly seems likely the game will really get anywhere near PC standards, which is truly a shame. I can tell you it looks flippin' amazing and I'm really looking forward to my pre-order arriving whereas before I wasn't too bothered.

But any big problems should be found during testing and fixed - if not then the game testers aren't doing their job propery...

They are right in that you should give the BF games more of a chance. I used to be a COD fanboy and loved it but have moved on to looking for more than just a run gun die rinse and repeat experience in a game. BF is so much more than that, as you know it's a team based game where you really accomplish some thing from working together. Try it some time.
MW is just a lone gunner spawn fest type of game where each player is only concerned with being at the top of the leader board.
T2D we all know that if MW3 is rubbish you will keep playing just hoping that you can find a reason to enjoy it

This is just a Beta of one map in rush mode of BF3. Hardly enough to make a real conclusion of it.
I'm not impressed with what I've seen so far but I am going to give the full game a chance.

In reply to a post by MrGrumpy:

Looks like its my overclock is a wee bit too high, I`m not even sure what res its running at ??
Does anyone else get red flashing on screen, it would seem that the games needs a bit of work, defo trying it on console, all I read on the PC chat boxes is so and so is a cheating Mofo etc etc. Nothing has changed since way back in my early COD days on the PC

The red flashing is from their laser sights not your PC

Nah it's an ingame bug, happens when you level your view then adjust it slightly up and down as you look towards a certain direction.

I agree with you Swanny and Spook and it may be wiser for me to invest in the game and play it until MW3 comes out about 10 days later and then i can make more of informed decision.

But i have played them in the past and i am well suited to the run and gun style you suggest that is Cod games and thats probably the number one reason why i prefer them

I find them a lot easier to get into and to be perfectly honest i am not that team player oriented and the style that Cod games give me suits me.

Cod i would say is very much easy and simple to play and has sort of a arcade style to it which obviously appeals to more than just me as it would not be the multi million pound franchise that it is.

I will obviously pick up Battlefield but it will be on the Playstation 3 opposed to the 360 since this is suppose to be the next best thing to the PC but miles away.

Even if i don't get into the Multiplayer then i am sure the single player will be worth it alone,but guys i will try and have the patience and persevere a little bit more with the online mode to see if i do indeed change my views and opinions.

Personally i don't think it will ever take preference to MW but you never know

And this is interesting News for console owners buying the game.

Edited by time2die (Sat 08-Oct-11 17:28:40)

Re: additional textures. Sounds promising.

had a shot of the console version and it looked not alot different to the PC?? Didn`t see the red flashing though.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

Re: additional textures. Sounds promising.

Missed that link at the time! Reading that could make a real difference. I might even be tempted to re-instate my pre order now? Hmmmm. Why couldn't they be released six months apart?
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That sounds awesome, EA say it will be the best graphically over MW3 and I believe them, the beta looks nice so can't wait to see what the end product looks like.

I spent about 10 hours playing the game, cant say I liked the metro map much, but I did like caspian borders.

I only have an HD5750 graphics card, but it seemed fine running on high settings for me.

the only thing that annoyed me was every once in a while, if I was driving a tank and went over some kind of bump/rock while offroad, the tank would flip and start spinning wildly, I am hoping they will fix that before the game is released.

I noticed that when driving jeep, if you hit a bump/rock, you would get thrown from the vehicle.

If you have an excellent system then it'll look and play great...but it needs to be a really really really good PC to do it full justice.

I played it for a few hours in the open beta with some friends and it was enjoyable enough but I prefer MW2 over it. I suspect therefore I'll prefer MW3 over it as well.

I like the battlelog and stats...very interesting stuff but the implementation is a bit annoying. The whole origin, then a web page, you end up going through several steps just to get the game to load.

The way steam has a web browser contained inside the client (seems to use internet explorer) would be good I think.

For a quick blast and play - find something else.

If looking for an hour or so of gaming, and getting used to others on the server then BF3 looks good.

Graphically, the shifting of the leaf shadows and lighting effects on the Xbox console is a step towards realism. Have grown to like it, big step was getting first optical sight which lets you see a lot more detail.

Pre-ordered - not yet, but thinking make this my autumn game, and if the map packs look good stick with it.

For a quick blast and play - find something else.

If looking for an hour or so of gaming, and getting used to others on the server then BF3 looks good.

I think that's a good way of looking at it.

Especially as I have now re- pre- ordered it!
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Lets just hope that you and myself don't turn up at a game shop a few hours/days later trading it in

I can not fault the game when i see the nice videos but having had that brief spell with the beta i thought i was playing BBC 2.

BBC2 was not a bad game in fact I found it far more enjoyable than the COD bore fest that it became. MW3 has alot of hype going for it, will it be the best ever? Who knows, as Mr S says it will be good for a quick blast but my problem is all this http://www.callofduty.com/elite/whats-included.html rubbish, seems a hell of alot of flaff for a quick blast and if you don`t subscribe how much is your gaming experience going to be subdued?? In a time when money is tight for the majority and watching where your money is spent I think I might just pass.

In reply to a post by time2die:

Lets just hope that you and myself don't turn up at a game shop a few hours/days later trading it in

That's the whole point though, mate. You MUST RESIST the urge to go trade in games that don't IMMEDIATELY 'do it' for you. Some games take time and a little effort before they gel with you. You've got to be PATIENT with some games sometimes!

Battlefield 3 will take more than a few hours or even days to get used to *if* all you're ever familiar with is manic fast action shooters like MW. If, however, hyper fast gaming is your bag then I would strongly recommend you never buy any games that don't fall into this category, you will be disappointed.

BF3 isn't as fast paced and I know you know that already but it isn't exactly glacially slow. Sometimes the action can be pretty frenetic. It's a world away from very slow strategical games, like, um, chess. The jets are fast. The tanks, pretty slow. The jeeps are nippy and everything. And sometimes, it's a real drag as there's no frickin' vehicles left at base as they've all been taken and you've gotta hike for miles on foot which sometimes results in much wasted effort as you'll get blown up just as you reach your destination. It doesn't happen all the time but, in my experience, it happens.

So, if you don't like the sound of this then don't get it. I know, anyone unfamiliar with the Battlefield way of playing, will maybe be thinking, why the hell play the game then? And the answer to that has to be found in the question of what individual players actually like about the game. I'm not going to say anymore about that aspect but the videos linked to by mrnelster recently do go quite some way in providing answers to that question so, again, if you don't like the look of sneaking up behind a tank to blow it up with C4 then this game is not going to appeal. For me, Battlefield has a fair amount of sacrifice as you'll be in situations where the odds are highly stacked against you and that's the draw - it's highly likely you'll be killed by that guy sat in a strategic position spawn killing everyone but it feels sooooo satisfying when you can get to the little fugger and blow him up. It might take you 10 attempts but it's like beating the cr@p out of him and feels good.

Anyway, too much insight into the mind of spook given here. If you get the game, don't expect a quick fix. Look at it as an investment into some truly epic moments and, hopefully, some great team/squad based gameplay (if DICE get that part right). The beta didn't impress at all on the communication front: the map was poor, there was no VOIP, the squad system sucked but hopefully these things will be fixed on release. If DICE put their money where their mouths are (and I think there's good reason to believe, for the large part, they have) then we gamers are going to be in for a treat. Roll on the next generation of gaming!

I can't wait!

And the joy of flattening a building that some pesky snipper uses to command the map.

Oh yes. Destructible environments too!

I was very shocked and impressed when playing the Metro map and when using the tunnels and us attackers all being holded up in one of the rooms hiding behind the usual walls, when suddenly the wall was blown up by rockets and you're all left exposed and dazed. It was really funny to think how it must've looked from the defenders point of view. They failed to capitalise on it though as I scarpered pretty quick!

It's fun just to go around with an RPG launcher sometimes. Again, the PC version is meant to offer far more in the way of destructible environments and it does add something to the gameplay other than avenging pesky snipers! I'm not used to blowing holes in buildings so much yet so it'll take a while before I change my gaming style. Did do a spot of gardening felling trees that blocked my view on the Caspian Borders map though!

Edited by deleted (Tue 11-Oct-11 11:35:49)

Spook are you a propaganda tool from EA or what ?

On a serious note i get your drift mate and understand completely where you are coming from and this needs a serious amount of hours to adapt to the difference from MW games .

But i have to have it like it or not and the reason i will be buying it is for the reasons you give regarding a Battlefield game.

At the end of the day if i don't like it after really giving it a proper test out i can do what i normally do with 50% of games i buy and thats a simple trade in.

My biggest problem is patience and the fact that on many occasions i tend to judge a game on what i see and play within minutes,most of the times my instincts are correct but on this occasion i will agree that 10 minutes on a beta is not really a decent way to judge if this game for me anyway is any good or not.

Dat is right meine friend. I am der master of misinformation at zee EA house of der game spiel. Herr Spooky is my name and Battlefield is the game!

Why not play MW3 online AND BF3? Now there's a thought eh?

I deleted the beta matey but for sure i will complete the single player game as i always do with these potential good FPS.

Nothing would make me more happy than to enjoy the Battlefield game when its released and if i do i will come on these very forums and admit i made a mistake in judging it way to soon.

The videos look awesome there is no mistaking that fact as i have said that time and time again,the real problem i have here is i already know how much i love MW and with the release schedule so close you might be correct in thinking what my preference will be once they both hit retail.

I have ordered the Hardened edition of MW3 from Shopto.net but i was tempted at the midnight launch at Blockbusters who told me that they will get me a Hardened edition ,only today when i traded a few games in for credit they are now telling me that they doubt they can get the hardened edition as i ordered it to late and they tell me they in scarce supply.........I mean it was ordered 6 weeks before going to retail so who they kidding.

it was them that tempted me in the first place telling me they could get a hardened copy no problems and i had loads of time...........Thank god for shopto.net as my order on there is still on track and no such problems getting special editions.

Please please please let them be easy to shoot down.
Nothing kills the fun more than some level 50 kid in an aircraft owning the map.
Always time to jump out when that happens, so I'm praying that we get payback this time and the [censored] fear us with our anti-aircraft

Will probably end up with various balancing patches over time.

The aircraft are only as annoying as that sniper who seems to be able to see everyone on the map. Perhaps letting infantry have access to fox holes arond map to lessen destructive power of aircraft would be good.

Amen brother.

There are stingers now but only in the engineers kit as far as I know. That said the planes have to unlock counter measures for heat seeking missiles. I really hope they don't make the planes as invulnerable as they did in BF2.

They need to ensure the planes can't automatically see EVERY vehicle on the map as they can in BF2. I spent some time in the AA gun things at base and they were a joke. It took several rounds to even bring down parachuters. There's no earthly way a lone soldier could have survived that. A load of rubbish so far. I guess there will be unlocks for even the AA things. DICE have gone way over the top with all the complexity to weapons kit upgrades, unlocks for everything. It's just silly.

Stingers for all!

And a reason why its best to have a nice gaming rig and Dice in there wisdom telling console gamers a complete pack of lies

BATTLEFIELD SETTINGS

And a reason to go out and buy a nice RIG

When i watch it like the above link it makes me wish i was 20 years younger and had the inkling to go back into PC gaming.

I guess for the lucky few with really nice rigs then this release date can not come quick enough,those of us with consoles will have to make do with a game that just about looks like a PC game on the lowest settings.

Sony Microsoft if ever there was a time to make a new next generation console then Battlefield 3 was that reason.

Edited by time2die (Mon 17-Oct-11 18:09:45)

I guess for the lucky few with really nice rigs then this release date can not come quick enough,those of us with consoles will have to make do with a game that just about looks like a PC game on the lowest settings.

Or perhaps?

http://mp1st.com/2011/10/17/battlefield-3-dice-clari...

If not, Charlie (my spanner faced spaniel) may be getting a new frisbie for Halloween.
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In reply to a post by time2die:

And a reason why its best to have a nice gaming rig and Dice in there wisdom telling console gamers a complete pack of lies

BATTLEFIELD SETTINGS

And a reason to go out and buy a nice RIG

When i watch it like the above link it makes me wish i was 20 years younger and had the inkling to go back into PC gaming.

I guess for the lucky few with really nice rigs then this release date can not come quick enough,those of us with consoles will have to make do with a game that just about looks like a PC game on the lowest settings.

Sony Microsoft if ever there was a time to make a new next generation console then Battlefield 3 was that reason.

well I went to this website http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/ and my gfx card is ok to run it but not on the recommended list its an HD6870 and not exactly a slouch neither.or am I just so far of the pace these days??? If so its reminded me why i went into console gaming.

In for a penny in for pound since i have taken a chance and reordered the Playstation 3 version,if i don't like it then it will go towards a trade for Uncharted 3 a few days later.

This time in 2 weeks hopefully this gaming forum will be alive with comments regarding the game,hopefully all positive ones..

This time in 2 weeks hopefully this gaming forum will be alive with comments.....

Right about now, signs of a pulse would do.
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Basically its why i post what i can when i do even though on occasions it's referring to previous links and games.

The only way this gaming forum gets busy is when you post something quite negative towards a game and then and only then people are on you like a flash.

If i started a article and labelled it battlefield sucks and heres why there would be at least 10 posts by the end of the day.

I love my gaming but I don't play such a range /number of games as you so I only tend to comment on the ones that relate to me and my interests.

I have my PC and a 580 which means I can run BF3 on high no probs - will have to see how ultra does at the final release but high still looked really nice. I don't own a console but I have played FPSs on consoles before and never really got along with them - I know what I can do with a mouse and keyboard and I find the controls clunky and hard work on consoles. The fact that the graphics are superior on PC just reinforces for me that it is only way to play the game. The cost is more (people make it out to be higher than it is) but it is a price I am willing to pay

Since the beta ended I have gone back to a bit of BC2 and last night I had the best game of BC2 I have had in a long time and I was playing with a bunch of random pubs. A comment by me about wanting a new team was met by 2 other players who were equally disillusioned and so I suggested a new squad and the next map we took the losing team and won the round on a what is a hard map to attack. It was so much fun

In reply to a post by ilh:

Since the beta ended I have gone back to a bit of BC2 and last night I had the best game of BC2 I have had in a long time and I was playing with a bunch of random pubs. A comment by me about wanting a new team was met by 2 other players who were equally disillusioned and so I suggested a new squad and the next map we took the losing team and won the round on a what is a hard map to attack. It was so much fun

And that is what I've been trying to tell time2die all this time. This is the essence of the battlefield experience, people playing together against the odds and making a difference. When it all comes together it's an excellent feeling so hopefully BF3 will improve upon release so as to engender and encourage more co-operative play as they will need to get back to the BF2 way of squad implementation at least in order to facilitate better in-game communications. DICE, with the Battlelog system, seem to have put in a lot of the foundations for what could be a really progressive move in that direction. Now that I come to think of it, I bet they end up charging a monthly fee for it! Bah.

Well squads should be 'fixed' for release - I still would prefer 6 man squads personally but I don't think there is any chance of that. You would probably need to go back to the system of only spawn on squad leader to deal with that as well but that would be ok with me.

I also don't understand voice comms. It seemed like it was something to do with parties within the battlelog but firstly I couldn't get it working and secondly it means you can only speak to friends. Which is not so good. You can get squad play going with typing but it is so much harder. For a small clan like mine being able to properly talk with squad members would be our best chance of getting new members which we are hoping to find on release. We can just about fund a 64 man server with current members but I don't know how long we can keep that up without a few extra members.

What's your clan called? It would be nice to play amongst some more dedicated players.

My clan is called MW...Forever..lol

Spooky my friend i have said i will give it a good going over and I'm willing to spend 20 minutes instead of 10 minutes trying the Battlefield 3 game out Only Kidding.

I think looking at the console versions the single player is the main reason i still want the game but i will certainly test out the online a lot more when i get the full retail version.

4 games on my radar now and nothing else and in order of preference they are as follows.

The obvious choice in my case.

MW3
UNCHARTED 3
SAINTS ROW THE THIRD
BATTLEFIELD 3

Funny how they all end up been the 3rd in the serious

You bad man, you. MW Forever? Is that Medium Wave Forever, eh? Grandad.

Yeah, it is a strange co-incidence with all the 3s. Must be the month for them. I wonder if Mystic Meg predicted this?

Hey Spook i bet with your super duper rig your counting the days regarding Battlefield and not getting much sleep.

Its great when you have a passion for games and certain games on the horizon get you excited aint it.

If you take all the game releases this year i would not say up to yet that there has been a game that has me waiting in anticipation and really hyped me up.

Bought quite a few but sadly apart from gears 3 not another game has held my attention for more than a few hours and that is basically how it is for me lately.

Thats why i love a solid FPS like Cod games and anything that comes remotely close will keep me occupied for ages as there is so much in the package and i enjoy what they offer even though some don't like them as much.

Im sure that when both Battlefield and MW3 get released at least then some of us will be happy i hope.

Im just praying that MW3 matches my high expectations and it plays as good as it looks and we dont get hackers central all over again like MW2 which basically condemned the game i loved to the world of trade ins.

I just hope if this game gets hacked or has some serious glitches that they put it right a lot quicker than there previous games .

Edited by time2die (Tue 18-Oct-11 23:59:26)

Yeah, we should be grateful for two slices of FPS action this autumn. Only a fool would complain.

I wonder if, say you could time travel back to the start of this year, and someone told you you'd only find one game worthwhile this year - Gears 3 - then what would you have done? I'm thinking you'd have thought maybe you needed another hobby? Or, perhaps you would have set up some kind of gaming foundation for would be game developers to set up creating games for you to play. The possibilities of foresight, eh?

My rig will be found lacking when BF3 gets delivered. Just found out AMD are going to start rolling out their 7 series graphics card updates based on new 28nm tech. Nvidia are keeping quiet and aren't expected to roll out any new series cards till next year some when. Either way, it's not cheap keeping up with it all. My 5870 will have to tide me over for a while yet.

So, you didn't think much of Dead Island then? What about Rage? You finished with that already?

Now i invested about 20 hours into Dead Island and its a great game but i tend to move on to other stuff as you do.

Rage i thought was a lot better than the videos i saw of it and at first after playing it for about 3 hours i was quite impressed but the more i played the more bored i got with the game.

Dark souls was another i picked up as i knew it offered a severe challenge and had outstanding reviews,but that is not a reason for me to invest when i think about it because i don't have the patience to play one particular game that does not involve shooting.

Rage as you know is a FPS but on that level and not the graphics which are very sweet it fails big time and thats to me is a surprise given ID pedigree in the past with Doom and Quake and Enemy Territory .

Want me to go on, how about i tell you that my temptation to buy games that have scored really well even though they are not my type of game is my downfall.

Forza 4..........Great game again but does it transfix me to keep playing it like Cod Games..........Answer no........Will i keep that it that will be the same answer,why did i buy it if im not a lover of driving games in the first place is another question.

After this year has gone my aim next year is to look closely at what i like and what to me is essential buy and am i going to finish it.

I will tell you now that there are games that i should not have bought based on a few reviews and the fact my gaming instinct says they wont be any good.

Biggest joke of the year has to be Duke Puke em Forever and i knew after looking at it that this was 2011 Christmas Turkey and still like a idiot i took a chance because its a FPS and i enjoyed the previous PC versions.......This has to be one of the worse games i have ever bought and the quickest trade in ever having ditched it some 2 hours later.

I knew Gears would be good having bought the previous versions but Horde Mode surpassed my expectations and is extremely addictive and i finished the single player within days of the release.

MW3 will be the same and i wont touch any multiplayer stuff until i have completed the single player game,same with Battlefields 3..............

For me to complete a game it has to suck me in within minutes of me playing it,for me thats what games are like First impressions...........Just like when you meet a Girl for the first time.

i have watched all the videos of MW3 and the one that got me really excited was the multiplayer clip when the music starts after about 2 minutes..........Awesome

Now tonight during the half time break in the champions league on Sky Sports we get a trailer for the game MW3 and it to me it does not look that good on a graphical level and fails to even raise a smile from myself.

Should have screened something from THIS as its far more impressive than the trailer they used tonight to advertise MW3...

My girlfriends passion is clothes,mine is games and nothing gets me more excited than a new game especially when that game is a potential classic,but i really have to take a closer look at my inner self and stop buying games just for the sake of it when i know to well that these games will not hold my interest and will be quickly left or traded a week or two later.

Next year i am only going to buy games that i really like and know i will enjoy,mainly they will be any decent FPS but in the meantime I'm hoping both Battlefield 3 and MW3 keep me entertained all through the winter months ,If they both do i will be extremely happy but if its just one then im wont be complaining .

If neither of them do then may be i need to just pack up gaming and find another interest like Rambling ..........Its cheaper and far healthier option anyway

Batman Arkam City gets released this week and this game has some amazing reviews but time2die is learning and there is no way i will pick this up because its not a game that interests me in the slightest.

Some people will buy this because they have a fascination with everything Batman and thats all fine and dandy,besides by the look of it they are getting a cracking looking game that has had reviewers drooling in the porridge.

Normally because i love games i would have picked this up based on reviews and how graphical nice it looks ,but i am now going to resist these type of games in the future for quite a few reasons .

Firstly i know where my time will be spent in a few weeks and it wont be playing Batman so thats reason enough to leave the game alone.

Second............There is also Uncharted 3 and Saints Row which are my type of games released basically at the same time and they hold far more interest to me than Batman.

Ever since the days of pang and a Spectrum Sinclare and Commodore 64 has the addiction reached fever level,seems like yesterday when i was loading a tape on a spectrum with the flashing television screen in the background shouting at my sister as she walked past as the game crashed because of the rubbish cable connections were so sensitive...............Even when someone walked past it on the carpet.

Kids today don't know how lucky they are and what us old ones had to put up with in the past

Edited by time2die (Wed 19-Oct-11 00:50:31)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meevrNIQej4&feature=y...

If this really is PS3 footage then I am pleasantly surprised. Top end PC it ain't, but it looks better than the beta. That said, there isn't much in the way of grass and trees in this video, which i felt were completely jagged in the PS3 beta.

Would be nice to see some genuine PS3 campaign clips. I think it will look far better than the MP (crosses fingers behind back)
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Yeah, shame it wasn't higher res video. Some reassuring statements made but they sounded like they might've been straight out of the EA PR dept.

Beta, months old... Graphics, an improvement... Well, let's hope so! Never thought we'd consider PS3 graphics capability lacking so soon to be honest.

Plenty of grunt left in the old console yet then...

In reply to a post by time2die:

For me to complete a game it has to suck me in within minutes of me playing it,for me thats what games are like First impressions...........Just like when you meet a Girl for the first time.

So, for you, it has to be love at first sight, then, I guess! Mind you, you seem to go through more than your fair share of uglies getting there. Duke Pukem? You definitely had yer beer goggles on that night.

In reply to a post by time2die:

Kids today don't know how lucky they are and what us old ones had to put up with in the past

Ain't that the truth!

FWIW, my Spectrum had a dodgy power lead too. I remember you had twist the plug going in to the Speccy just so and pray it held. A sneeze or fart in the room and there'd be trouble!

Edited by deleted (Wed 19-Oct-11 10:04:26)

The clan is called FiFo (fifogaming.com) and you are more than welcome to jump onto our teamspeak if you want. I always think it is a good idea for people to come and hear us for an hour or so - people soon figure out if they will like it in our clan (we call it banter but if you don't want to be around people swearing and generally taking the mick out of each other... pretty much constantly, then you probably won't like it there!).

There isn't a massive amount of people playing BC2 currently - Minecraft and Heroes of Newerth have taken over since the beta has finished but come BF3 release date everyone will be playing it.

Oh, and feel free to add me as a friend in BC2 if you want - my in game name is ilh. (had to put the full stop on the end since lots of developers have decided that names have to be 4 letters or longer now). I always play on the same server at the moment since I have found a nice busy one with some good players.

My eldest is moving on to secondary school next year and we have had to look at a couple to see which one we prefer. The one we went to tonight had a Speccy hanging on the wall in the computer room. My daughter thought it was something one of the kids had made for a DT project.

Safe to say I clipped her ear appropriately. Rubber keys are under rated nowadays.
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I've only viewed videos of BF3 so far, but I have BF3 on pre-order. I wonder how many patches will be released just as BF3 is released and in the first month or two after release. The game does look very nice though and looks like it will be good fun for both SP & MP modes.

PC-wise I have a nice shiny new desktop rig with an i5 650 (3.2ghz, but overclocks very nicely), 8 gb DDR3, 1.5 tb hdd, GeForce GTX 460 & a 42" Hanspree full HD TV. So far I haven't installed any of my games on the new PC.

I will also pick up MW3 once it's out and I see just how many patches it requires to make it a 'finished' version. I'll only get MW3 for SP mode in all honesty.

If only the console versions looked like THIS then there would be no argument on which is the better looking game.

If i was 20 years younger i would have bought another High end PC and not my Imac.

When i see footage like this which is obviously from a very high spec PC it does make me a tad jealous .

In reply to a post by time2die:

If only the console versions looked like THIS then there would be no argument on which is the better looking game.

If i was 20 years younger i would have bought another High end PC and not my Imac.

When i see footage like this which is obviously from a very high spec PC it does make me a tad jealous .

That does look amazing. Good to see they are shooting at helis with machine guns, maybe they have some effect???
On BC2 you may as well throw a stone as bullets have no effect.
Here's hoping that the pilots fear us

FiFo, as in first in first out? Thanks I'll check your rather professional looking site out.

Do you guys still play BF2 at all? I never got into playing BFBC2 as, at the time, I lost my internet for seven months or so. I wonder if it's worth giving it some play time before BF3 comes out?

It's good when you find a decent server to play on. I used to play on the UK Warfare ones quite a bit but never got into joining a clan. Think it would be good to play with regulars though. Better team play is definitely what I'm craving I guess; it's just that I wouldn't want to be amongst people who were too competitive (as I suck a bit too much for that).

Thanks for giving me the details. I'll definitely add you if I load up BC2 any time soon. I have the game on my hard drive as I bought the Vietnam expansion pack back in the Steam sales. Cheers.

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

My eldest is moving on to secondary school next year and we have had to look at a couple to see which one we prefer. The one we went to tonight had a Speccy hanging on the wall in the computer room. My daughter thought it was something one of the kids had made for a DT project.

Safe to say I clipped her ear appropriately. Rubber keys are under rated nowadays.
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Haha! Glad to hear you steered your daughter straight. What a blasphemy! A suitable punishment would be buying her a Speccy and forcing her to use it for a week. That would be both educational and fun*. Though these days the social services would probably see it as a cruel and unusual form of torture!

Ahhhh. Fond memories.

^{* depending on your point of view of course (ie - if either very dedicated or plain masochistic!)}

Fond Memories more like fond Nightmare

Think of what kids have today and what the games will look like in a decade or so if not sooner when more than likely by then i will have finished with gaming for good.

Can really not see me gaming approaching the 60 mark in a decade or so

Doesn't quite mean that, no The site is a bit of a mess really - I set it up when we formed about 2.5 years ago but if I don't change anything then nothing changes at all... which generally means nothing changes hehe.

Erm we did all fire up BF2 after 1.5 got released and played it for a few months but it all kind of fizzled out. It took me about 1 month to get back to a reasonable standard and then we stopped playing lol.

We do have a couple of good players (and a couple who think they are!) but we do have a full mix of abilities. We don't take (anything) that seriously really. We don't play in any leagues or anything either - none of us can be arsed!

In reply to a post by ilh:

We don't play in any leagues or anything either - none of us can be arsed!

Sounds like my kind of place then!!

How many members do you have? Are they all paid up? I think I would just be interested in BF3 as I've never played the other games you mention. I'd gladly contribute some dosh too especially if it meant ol' spooky can get to kick someone else off a server with a reservation if, and when, it's full.

Hehe

I was just wondering what games would look like in 10 years time after watching that vid you linked to above.

It occurred to me the next generation of gamers might look back at the funny old tech we're using today and wonder how the heck we ever managed.

I can see you gaming when you're in your 90s mate. So no problems there. You might need a few augmentations to your sight and reflexes mind but I'm sure the technology will exist by then to help you out!

Do you need my Paypal account then Spook for you to donate some of your cash my way

Funny you mention gaming at a later age because i have found the last few years my patience and tolerance to games that don't look or feel right is as low as it gets.

As much as i love a great new game like Cod Or Battlefield 3 i hope i really don't Game anywhere near what i used to a few years back,don't know if its a age thing or the fact the game does not really have that impact online to make me play it,apart from Gears 3 Horde mode i have not spent much time online this year apart from a small amount of Black Ops which in all honesty was not a game i really cared much about.

Here is hoping in the next few weeks things will indeed change and the advertisements for both MW3 and Battlefield 3 seem to be doing the rounds on both Radio and Television.

Why to games publishers make a game that will only work with one version of microsoft's os, (win7)? and why make any game so demanding of system resources, ? Do they seriously think that we will all go out and upgrade hardware or even build or buy a new rig solely to play a game? that's excluding the fact we are in a recession with virtually no job security

I think we kind of have about 30 members although it will be closer to 20 who will probably be actively playing when it comes out. At £5 each we can afford a 64 man server and teamspeak - we have actually only just started paying again in anticipation of BF3 for about 6 months or so we haven't had a server so there was no need for money except a small bit for teamspeak.

As I say you are quite welcome to come and try things out for a bit - we don't demand money on the door or anything TBH if someone doesn't give any money to the clan they don't get kicked or anything like that - we might remove a reserved slot/admin powers and we maybe don't take as much notice of what they think we should do with the server but they are still welcome on teamspeak etc

I think BF3 is one of the first games to stop supporting XP but I thought Vista was still ok. TBH I think it is progressive. I know a lot of businesses are still using XP but on the home front I think the majority of people (particularly those people who would play a game like BF3) will be beyond the 10 year old XP.

Steam hardware survey

I figure this should be quite a good source of info since it is basically a survey of people who play games on their pc.

Looking at things like nearly 79% have a dx10 card (16.76% still running XP) and then over 75% are running Vista/Win 7 then it isn't maybe new rig time for everyone. I am sure they looked a lot closer than I have at many stats before making the decisions they have. Given that they are here to make money they must have weighed lost business due to inadequate systems against improved business from people who want things to look sexy.

In reply to a post by time2die:

Do you need my Paypal account then Spook for you to donate some of your cash my way

No but I will think of you when I next donate to Age Concern or somesuch.

I think I may have to make an application. Probably not like this one though!

In reference to fifogaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1510#p10082:

Why I want to join FiFo? - I wanted a new area to meet with underaged children.

Where do you see yourself in 5 years time? - Prison

If you were an animal, which one would you want to be? - A Trouser Snake.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

It occurred to me the next generation of gamers might look back at the funny old tech we're using today and wonder how the heck we ever managed.

They used to use monitors/televisions and keyboard/joypads haha

I guess in the future the game will be played inside your brain, you won't need eyes, ears or hands to play :/

In reply to a post by tommy45:

Why to games publishers make a game that will only work with one version of microsoft's os, (win7)? and why make any game so demanding of system resources, ? Do they seriously think that we will all go out and upgrade hardware or even build or buy a new rig solely to play a game? that's excluding the fact we are in a recession with virtually no job security

Things need to move foward cant keep using the same old hardware and software, vista and windows 7 are the two supported microsft software.
Money may be tight for alot of people and job secuirty is a issue but a software upgrade is not that expensive, hardware depends where you buy and what you budget for.

You dont have to play the game if you dont want to, nothing is forcing you to buy the game and upgrade.

In reply to a post by Lt_Swan:

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

It occurred to me the next generation of gamers might look back at the funny old tech we're using today and wonder how the heck we ever managed.

They used to use monitors/televisions and keyboard/joypads haha

I guess in the future the game will be played inside your brain, you won't need eyes, ears or hands to play :/

That would be scary wouldn't it? You'd lose the ability to distinguish between the imaginary world and reality. But it would be cool! Crikey, we could be in a game right now!

Hey matey i might be getting a little older but my FPS trigger hands are as good as ever and i would love to meet up with you in a really good FPS

Cheeky Monkey

And im whipping your [censored] you Noob.

Haha. I almost replied saying that gives a pretty good impression of who we are but then I realised that I really didn't want to put that - I mean that it gives a good impression of our sense of humour.

Well, what can I say? It's nice to be loved.

In reply to a post by ilh:

Haha. I almost replied saying that gives a pretty good impression of who we are but then I realised that I really didn't want to put that - I mean that it gives a good impression of our sense of humour.

Hehe. I know just what you mean.

Never mind someone will love you one day matey

One day me hopes.

well pre ordered BF3 LE ( PC version ) at ASDA for £25 but tempted to cancel as I really am unsure as to what format to buy it on. Believe it or not I cannot get to grips with the mouse and keyboard . and so think a more relax style of play on the Xbox may suit. Plus there is all the hassle of setting stuff up etc etc, console is just plug and play!

Hang on, Mr G. Didn't you recently upgrade your PC? And you found a place selling BF3 LE for only £25???!!

W00t. I know what I would do!

Load up Unreal Tournament and get used to the mouse/keyboard again. You'll soon get the hang of it and rediscover why it's so much better than using a control pad.

However, I am sure the console is king when it comes to minimising hassle. They are already talking about a day one patch even for the console but higher texture downloads for the PC.

Bigger maps for PC though. Swings and roundabouts I guess. Might check ASDA out myself though I believe Amazon (where I have been pre-ordered from since Feb) should price match that. I shall have to go see for myself.

I know sounds daft might just hold onto it , maybe get MW3 for console for crimbo shall see. Only reason I ordered was due to it being £25 but I suspect I might have to wait a wee while till it arrives ie I do not expect it on release day which is no big problem as long as its not weeks.

Now UT are there still servers out their? That was the numero 1 fps game for me at the time in fact we still talk about it at work ! Unstoppable!!, humiliation!!, Multi Kill!!

Ha. Yes. MMmmmmm-monster kill! I liked playing the single player campaign and using the sniper rifle for some lovely head shots. He's unstop..pable!

The fast and frenetic gameplay of the UT series will soon bring your mouse skills back up to par.

I just searched ASDA for BF3 but it looks like they must've sold out and have withdrawn it from public view. £25 was a steal and a fair bit under what other vendors are selling it for. Amazon are about average at currently £29.91 so no reason to change that just yet. They say they will dispatch from tomorrow with a delivery expected for Thursday or Friday (official release day).

When I pre-ordered I wasn't too fussed about getting it a few days late. But after playing the beta, then that became another matter. But I don't really mind if I don't get it on release though it would be nice to have it for the weekend maybe.

I also have Skyrim pre-ordered but that's not expected till November 11th. Amazon are only asking £27.89 for it and I hope it doesn't slip too far in case its release gets pushed back some. I'd get CODMW3 if I could afford it but I've spent too much on games these past couple of months already. It's a shame I can't get a refund on Deus Ex HR actually.

I'd prefer if companies like IW and EA stopped wasting time and resources making these sorts of games for console children with joypads.

Total waste.

Thanks for that mate really appreciate your feedback,so you are saying that anyone with a console is a kid in your eyes..........

Why would developers stop making games like this for consoles as they sell 20 times more than the PC equivalent .

Not all console players are immature kids but i will agree there are more children on consoles than the PC crowd but then again they are so readably accessible and lets face it many get Platstation 3 and xbox 360 for Christmas unlike a brand new PC.

So to say what you do is not really the way to go because there are many of us on here that own consoles that are mature adults that hate the screaming head banging kids you talk about on consoles ruining the experience.

Edited by time2die (Tue 25-Oct-11 17:28:28)

Trip trap, trip trap.
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Playing an FPS on a console is like turning up to a track day in a reliant robin.

I dont have any issues of playing a FPS on a console and find the switch very easy,you also fail to mention that many of us that have switched to consoles were once PC gamers.

And if that is not enough i also know a few people that play fps on consoles that will give you a serious run for your money...........Mouse and keyboard and all....

I seriously doubt that. There are plenty of articles around regarding consoles Vs PC being entirely possible but not done on purpose. I'm not saying they couldn't get kills and they couldn't maybe do ok in 1 on 1 fight (although are you going with console players + aim assist?) but you can't shoot 1 person and then another directly behind you and then 1 back at the from again but up on the 3rd floor anything like the time I can do it with a mouse and as an ex PC player you should know this. You just simply cannot accurately move your crosshair with a joypad as fast as a PC and FPS is a lot about that.

Mouse and Keyboard wins every time but you can still play and enjoy FPS on consoles with no troubles and have a very enjoyable experience.

Its a level playing field so each and every one of us is using the same tools.and daft as it sounds there are plenty of PC gamers that actually prefer to play there games with a Pad controller.

If we had a lot of games that had cross platforming then there would be some issues but we don't and i take to using a controller like a duck to water and i don't miss what i don't have .

Besides its a lot easier lying back on a settee with a controller in hand than having some keyboard and mouse configuration on your lap.

I know you can run your PC through your television but lets face it the majority of PC gamers are in some sort of office or back room or something and i would hazard a guess that they use some office type desk as i do with a nice high backed chair.

Edited by time2die (Wed 26-Oct-11 16:52:10)

Given the choice I'd rather play on a PC but I simply can't afford a gaming rig so I play on my PS3 sat on the settie against my mates that have never played with a keyboard and mouse :/
I used to top the score tables on my PC but now I'm just an average player

In reply to a post by MrGrumpy:

I know sounds daft might just hold onto it , maybe get MW3 for console for crimbo shall see. Only reason I ordered was due to it being £25 but I suspect I might have to wait a wee while till it arrives ie I do not expect it on release day which is no big problem as long as its not weeks.

Now UT are there still servers out their? That was the numero 1 fps game for me at the time in fact we still talk about it at work ! Unstoppable!!, humiliation!!, Multi Kill!!

Well ASDA true to form have cancelled my order Apparently not enough stock to fulfil. Got an e-mail saying that I had cancelled my order which I hadn`t but turns out they did. Anyway not actually that bothered now, they have however stuck a £10 credit on my account so......... Will see what is on offer once they get more stock in.

I ipcked up my preordered copy of BF3 on Friday morning (wasn't rushing) rather thgan going to the Game store midnight opening.

I had to laugh at the state of the Game staff though as they were wearing some sort of cam cream, had x-box/ps3 guns strapped on their backs and wearing some sort of clothing that was supposed to look military (not sure how though!). Ask for your game and then they try to flog you copies of Rage (everything I read regarding this game was rather scathing of it to say the least), BF3 strategy guide (seriously) and McNab's book. I just got my preordered game and walked out laughing.

As for the game itself (PC version) I was quite happy once it finally installed, updated and so on. So far I've only played the single player campaign, which was good but as expected rather short. The graphics were great and I had it all on high, which played flawlessly. I'll have a blatter on the multiplayer mode during the week with some of my mates and see how that goes.

Now I'll wait for MW3 which is more for the single player campaign mode more than multiplayer mode.

I've been playing Counterstrike for 12 years so I thought I'd give one of these console-type fps games a go.

Just been playing through campaign and it's awful. There seems to be lots of 'tripwires' you have to pass before an event is triggered, i.e. in Uprising you have to go through the crashed school bus, then it explodes then you get ambushed by 4 or 5 PLR guys....I tried to go round the bus and ambush the PLR but it wouldn't let me as they weren't there yet because I hadn't 'tripped the wire'.

Also there are no rag-doll physics!! Shoot a PLR, they fall and they don't move when you shoot them again....then they just disappear! Very poor tbh.

Multiplayer isn't any better, lots of lag, CS pings are about 25-30ms, BF3 is double that, so it's pretty much unplayable, weapons aren't accurate either as I see lots of spray n pray kills, rather than the more accurate and controlled two or three round burst-fire.

So not impressed and it's back to Counterstrike for me....a proper, hardcore PC fps.

Edited by deleted (Sun 30-Oct-11 18:16:40)

When you say console type FPS i think you will find that Battlefield is really made for a PC then ported to consoles and thats what Many hardened PC gamers don't like about it.

Are you actually playing it on a console or a PC because i tend to think it's the later if you feel like going back to game from 12 years ago that is a PC game in the first place.

Im not in a position to comment having only played a few minutes of the beta and the fact that i have not gone and bought the game which is a miracle to be honest as i love buying quite a lot of games and its my favourite type of game.

Sometimes you get a feel for a game within minutes and thats generally how i am and i have never been a avid Battlefield person try as i might.

To me its to slow and not intense enough and the weapons don't seem to have the same impact as the ones in Cod games especially MW games.

Its basically a consumers choice you either like one of the other or you like both games whatever there differences.

In reply to a post by time2die:

When you say console type FPS i think you will find that Battlefield is really made for a PC then ported to consoles and thats what Many hardened PC gamers don't like about it.

It may be made for PC but to me, it 'reeks of console' with a look and feel of a console game. This is the first BF/CoD/MoH/ or whatever, I've played, as I've exclusively played CS for the last 12 years.

Are you actually playing it on a console or a PC because i tend to think it's the later if you feel like going back to game from 12 years ago that is a PC game in the first place.

Playing it on PC.

Edited by deleted (Sun 30-Oct-11 18:30:34)

Whatever game that we play there will always be things that certain people will dislike and this will happen to the end of time and there will never be a perfect game that pleases every single person that buys it.

Up to about 8 hours play time now which is a fair time to get a feel for it.

Likes:
I like the battlelog. The stats and stuff are very well done. (I think MW3 is planning something similar)
Game play is relatively smooth but I had to upgrade my computer to a quadcore and faster RAM, SSD hard disk to get a decent experience.
Tanks/vehicles/aircraft is fun and adds dimension
Maps seem very varied.
Visuals/sound are excellent.

Dislikes:
Early weapons are hopelessly weak. Even playing against people on Rank 12+ totally own you. (In Modern Warfare it tends to unlock weapons in a more random way with different strengths/weaknesses)
Battlelog can be a bit fiddly. The friends system seems a bit weird. Clicking multiple times to get into a game is annoying. (Think games on Steam have this mastered but it did take a few years for it to get to it's current refined state)
Idiots. Too many fools playing this game. Jump into a 6 man carrier and drive off with it empty for example. Or get Q Spotted and then run over and lie down next to you...getting you killed.
Campers. Its full of them. I understand this is a "feature" of BF games but it's pretty ridiculous when you spawn in on Caspian Border and some German child with no life on Level 30 with EPIC SNIPER! instanto headshots you from 600 metres away.
Seems to be a lot of issues with people getting disconnected in the middle of the game or it crashes. And you lose all your points when that happens.
Movement/jumping can be "clunky". It just isn't as solid as the MW games.
No indication of pings inside the game. MW2 was slagged off relentlessly (by me included) for go for a ping bar approach. BF3 doesn't even do that.

Edited by orly (Mon 31-Oct-11 00:13:11)

Finding this a particular pain. Already you'll find people flying around in helicopters with a limitless number of flares...which essentially makes anti-air stinger missile launcher totally useless. Had a number of occasions already where I'll lock on and fire 4 stingers at a single helicopter and he'll have more evasive manoeuvres than a star trek bridge officer.

Idiots. Too many fools playing this game. Jump into a 6 man carrier and drive off with it empty for example. Or get Q Spotted and then run over and lie down next to you...getting you killed.
Campers. Its full of them. I understand this is a "feature" of BF games but it's pretty ridiculous when you spawn in on Caspian Border and some German child with no life on Level 30 with EPIC SNIPER! instanto headshots you from 600 metres away.

I find this annoying. Especially with the amount of running you need to do after dying. I've lost count of the amount of times I've repaired a tank and he's virtually driven over me to get away. And the sniping really does get overdone on some maps.

No indication of pings inside the game. MW2 was slagged off relentlessly (by me included) for go for a ping bar approach. BF3 doesn't even do that.

It seems hard to get an even game sometimes. The EA European servers are generally constantly full, and many of the others appear to behave in a somewhat suspect manner. Played many games over the weekend with top man on each team doing in the 40's with 3 or 4 deaths. The rest of both teams somewhere in the 7-10 kills category. Got onto one EA server last night and went three rounds with 1.67, 1.00 and 1.45 K/D ratios. Since Thursday I had struggled to get above 0.6-0.7!

That's why I think we should have ping figures instead of bars in the server browser to show more accurately what's going on. Having them in game would seem obvious too, seeing as a match takes so long.

And is it just me or are the maps rather useless when flying jets? I seem to run straight-out of the game zone 90% of the time without even seeing a target. Then die trying to swing it round in 5 or 6 seconds. Far too short for anbody to get used to it if you ask me. The other 10% of the time when I do find the battle I end up crashing straight into it, lol! There really is no incentive in trying to master these aircraft for me I'm afraid. You get less practice than a Quantas co pilot.

On a side note, the co-op has been ruined by the second level. I am now competent in the helicopter gunship, but not an expert. The helicopter level is too long and the space for manoeuvre is too tight. Go to high, game over. Enemies appear right below you. No room to move so soldiers all killed before you even get to re position properly, game over. So you have to move very quickly, hit the hill, game over. Try to go high to miss the hill, game over. And each time you need to replay it for 20 mins to get back there. And you can't choose who flies and who guns. It appears totally random, except that it picks the same player ten times then swaps, then swaps back next game for another 10 games. And my co-op buddy couldn't fly a kite!

The only way to fly so quickly, so low in such a confined space, for such an extended period of time, is to be a chopper expert. Which is fair enough if I could choose as and when to play it like MW2. Not being able to unlock the next level after 3 hours of meticulous and repetitive (and slow) gameplay seems rather ridiculous. Especially as I know from spoilers there are some great levels beyond this one where you can, wait for it..........fight with a gun!!

Poorly conceived in my opinion.
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Seems a bit hit a miss mate from the views from the people on this forum including yourself.

Going by what you say and a fair few others i would say generally it has not lived up to the hype and i do hope that next week I'm not saying the same thing.

Yea I have found that a little frustrating but if you can squad up then you need 2 people with stingers to deal with it. On your own the flares recharge at the same rate as the Stinger reloads which makes it a waste of your time.

I take it that you means that the guns pre-unlocks are a bit weak? I still haven't managed to figure out how many kills with a gun unlocks everything but I went back to using the m16 and m4 etc just last night and had absolutely no problems killing loads of people but I did have my heavy barrel/foregrip combo going. I know when I started I found myself getting raped by people but I think it was more of me not being adjusted to the game whilst having no idea where I was going/where the enemy might be coming from.

I expect queueing to arrive but maybe not for the first month where there is so many people battering servers.

After about 10 hours of play I am now loving it
It has it's faults but I'm starting to understand it and find my way around maps

I will probably be saying the same thing about MW3 but it will be after 10 seconds

I think the thing that annoys me most, is the way you have to have 3 different things open at once in order to play, Origin, battlelog and then finally the game itself, it seems kinda bad design.

I remember a free game I played some years ago, Enemy Territory, was a a spinoff of return to castle wolfenstein, it was a great game, you had all the server and login stuff all contained inside the game, so you didnt have to have multiple programs running at once.

and lets face it BF3 is a resource hog at the best of times, having to run other programs in the background as well really doesnt help.

Not to mention about 25% of the time the game will crash when you try to load into the game.

Only had one long range sniper death so far, maybe as I try and be sensible on route taken, and use low walls for cover etc

Common sniper buildings get an RPG from me, and the AA is good for hosing down from a safe distance, and discourages snipers.

Last night was getting 2nd or 3rd in team, with K/D of only 2 or 3, still getting loads of points from kit use, disabling aircraft etc

I think some people also have forgotten the power of anti tank mines, as caught a few troop carriers that way.

25% crashes must be an issue with your setup somewhere - I experience perhaps 1 server crash every 2 days (this is where me and all my friends get thrown off) but it never crashes for me otherwise.

And the 3 program thing is frustrating but people seem to forget that all steam games require you to run steam as well as the game so it is not that much different really.

Yea AT mines are ace. On a lot of maps it is easy to get mines placed and a lot of people don't spot them. Quite often I will play engi for the first 5 minutes of a map and then swap out to medic once I have left a few presents around It is not uncommon to be running around 5 mins later and suddenly find you have killed 2 or at least disabled another vehicle!

My playing time is actually 8 hours so that means you have 8 seconds to like it

its crashes when trying to join a server, not while actually playing.

I think it has lived up to the hype, it's absolutely brilliant, 7 of my mates have it now and we played 2 x 4 man squads on Sunday (took a while to get into a game together) but it was fantastic! I have converted quite a few friends to it now and they have all said they have never experienced a game with such fun online play. MW3 will be better for the campaign I reckon but for the online play I think BF will reign supreme this year, it just has so much more to offer and the team play is second to none.

At the end of the Day matey if your happy and your mates all enjoy it thats what matters,i have no problems with people preferring Battlefield over MW and Visa versa .

Yea that's it mate I agree, I will probably still get COD further down the line just not on release day unless I fancy a bit of a change to BF. I don't really like playing BF by myself online, but COD that is the best way to play as teamwork goes out the window so I may pick it up as a solo game. Only thing is I live with my best mate and we have the 2 xboxes setup in our living room so 99% of the time we play together so not sure if I will have chance!

Well i've given it some time now on the 360 and i absolutely love the gameplay, it feels way smoother and faster than either of the bad company's and the visuals are really something else when you consider everything that's going on!!! I've always played both battlefield and cod and i believe it's horses for courses, if you wanna run around getting your killstreaks on your own lonewolf style then it's cod all the way but if you want to become completely immersed in the battlezone with your team mates then it's battlefield. I do think that bf3 has taken a step towards cod purely on the pace of the game and if you ask me it's about time because as much as i loved bf bc2 it were'nt half slow. I've only played 2 or 3 campaign missions so far but i'm liking that too, and i truely believe t2d is missing out here!!!!
My only gripe so far and it is a big gripe is the server issues crashing out and struggling to get into games with 2 or 3 mates, takes way too long and 75% of the time you lose your connection, and if ea had addressed these issues sooner i think mw3 would have had a serious contender to it's throne but i'm afraid it may be too late.
Overall the gameplay/visuals have gone above my expectations (the beta really was poor)and as long as the server issues get sorted then i'll be playing this for a long while yet!!!

I think "Q spam" is a real problem for this game.

It's becoming more obvious that some people in the game basically run around relentlessly hitting Q in the hope of randomly spotting people and getting bonus points from it. I admit i've been lucky and managed to do it myself. Randomly spying some sniper a few miles away in a hedge somewhere. Not exactly fair really.

The nasty side effect is that even if you've spawned far back from the action, been relatively hidden and not actually engaged in any of the fight, that you'll be fired upon and killed.

Tactical light seems misconceived to me. I use it, but what a faff. Totally blinds everyone near it. It's like the tactical knife in MW2 where you can quick stab people from many metres away and be essentially invulnerable once you hit the button for it.

I'm now up to about 17 hours game time.

It's an enjoyable game and I'm by no means a terrible player. My K/D ratio is just above 1 and I tend to prefer Engineer class so I also consider myself to be a "contributing player" helping out with repairs and the like.

I'm definitely finding myself favouring a specific map type. Close quarters maps like Seine Crossing, Grand Bazaar and Tehran Highway are my favourites. They have lots of streets, buildings and windows. It's up close and personal and you need some forward thinking and tactics with your squad/team to progress very far or achieve your objectives.

The bigger/open maps like Firestorm, Caspian Border and Canals are very irritating. I essentially avoid them. It's just full of the aforementioned god like helicopter/jet pilots and the German kids with no life who has now attained Rank 50 with his EPIC SNIPER rifle which now has a 12x scope so he can see your nostril hair from several miles distance.

There are already hackers getting in on the act. Lots are being detected by Punkbuster (it helpfully informs everyone when it bans someone from the server you're on) but anyone who has played FPS games online will know that for every detected hacker there is likely to be another one who hasn't had his cheats caught yet. I've already had my fair share of 180 degree insto headshots from the sniper who is still gliding in on his parachute.

On the close quarters maps I mentioned there is a definite advantage to squad play. My mates will join up on a ventrilo server so we can talk amongst ourselves. Quite often this can be used to good effect with vehicles with some people driving, others repairing and spotting. If you're on your own the communication is harder. Very few people seem to use the limited in-game radio commands and even fewer use text chat from what I've seen. As a result, if you're on a team on your own you'll find it's basically a free for all with campers, idiots driving away in empty vehicles and general lack of tactics or support which weakens the game a lot.

Also the M249 is possibly the most overpowered gun in the game. The Battlelog itself lists it as a Medium range weapon but i've seen plenty of people using it like a fully automatic sniper rifle and hitting people at very long range with high accuracy. I'd imagine it will be balanced soon as plenty of other people seem to have similar thoughts.

Overall I'd probably rate the game as somewhere around 7/10. I don't regret the £40 spent on it. I'll likely continue to play it for many months unless MW3 is spectacularly epic or the game gets over run by hackers like BF2 did. I find it enjoyable on the whole and I feel it's been executed pretty well from a technical point of view. As mentioned the game modes offer variety. The maps have different scales and character with some small, some large, some open country, some city-scape. Some day, some night. There are probably millions of gun/accessory/kit combinations. The vehicles add an extra layer over Modern Warfare games. All that said I just always have these niggling thoughts in the back of my head that the flaws I've mentioned in my other posts just take the shine off it and sometimes lead to an infuriating session.

I have high hopes for MW3. Having watched many videos about it, including those from the developers, I can see that they're at least trying to address many of the problems I had with MW2. And trust me, despite MW2 receiving a solid 2 years of game play and many hundreds of hours of my time, I had plenty of issues with it. I believe the way they're addressing the "killstreaks" into various types of "point streaks" will add a very subtle but important element of strategy missing from the previous titles. The return of servers for the PC is welcome. Ditching stuff like commando, nukes and that sort of thing will be good for the game. If they pull off the fixes and changes that have been talked about then it'll easily replace BF3 for me.

Edited by orly (Wed 02-Nov-11 03:40:06)

I've had no "crashes" but do get quite a lot of "Connection timed out" messages. Annoying if you're half way through a game and have accumulated a few thousand points or some ranks/unlocks as they all disappear if you get disconnected before the end.

Seems to be a widespread issue too. Seen some "fixes" involving stopping SSDP discovery service and UPNP Device host in services.msc but they only seem to "alleviate" rather than cure in my instance.

A really good in depth review. Thanks.

I particularly agree with this bit.

If they pull off the fixes and changes that have been talked about then it'll easily replace BF3 for me.

Without a doubt I will still play BF3 to some extent. But I think if the new support streak packages and stuff live up to their intended purpose, it will be impossible not to prioritise MW3.

But the BF3 server bowser for consoles will ensure I don't drop it all together.
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I had already turned off upnp because it used to cause me to crash in BC2 - apparently it is a problem with BeThere (or more likely the router they use) but I haven't had that issue so maybe I should count myself lucky

Forget the map, but the conquest one with B inside the mountain, the side corridors invariably people lay down at each end, one noob had a laser sight so sent a round or two to get kill.

Tactical lights tend to receive an RPG, eventually people turn them off, and after a few planes get took down they stop using them

On the squad, dont play with voice chat, too many people playing with mic open and music playing, but try to watch and assist where I can, e.g. cover someone heading down an alley, jumping in a vehicle and waiting a few seconds at the base to see if others jump in

Had one game where I enjoyed using my stinger and when expended, laid my mines and then chased around the conquest sites following other players.

I would challenge you to that, I love the engineers who think they rock with their stingers and heat seeker rockets only for my super jet to take their heat then spin round and give them a face full of metal

I think once you get the hang of the jets and you can fly them well then it is hard to be taken down, but it's not great for points. On conquest I average about 6 - 8k points per game but if I hang around in a plane for most of it I get half that due to not capturing / defending areas.

The torches are annoying and it will be interesting to see if they change it, on that particular map you mentioned though inside the mountain is the ideal time to use a torch. It's the players who use them outside in daylight that annoy me, but if it's a level in the dark and you are in a tight area then it can be very beneficial. I don't die as much to the torch players now though, it's pretty easy to know where they are "behind the torch" when you have been doing it for a while plus if you're well covered you should be able to take them out anyway.

Not met a pilot other than helicopter who has challenged me when being a shoulder mounted devil.

Flares make it hard, but figure if I interfere with a gun run then it has helped out. Usually three stingers to get a downed aircraft.

Ah see I am much better in the jets than the choppers, not much of a fan of the choppers at the moment used to love them on BC2 but doesn't seem to be many good ones available.

Yea that's it, it's not neccessarily about getting the kill but everything else that comes with it. I did get taken down pretty quick last night by 2 jets and a stinger, if you're playing with a good team who can support from the ground it's a lot easier but alas this was 1am and all my friends were asleep.

Think the only way I'm going to end up with Battlefield 3 mate is if MW3 turns out to be a complete waste of time and money and i just don't think this will happen.

Both Battlefield and MW3 require a huge investment in time spent playing it trying to unlock stuff and ranking up and if I'm totally honest i am only interested in one game and even if i thought Battlefield was a great game i know what i would be spending all my time on.

If Battlefield was released about 2 months ago i dare say i would have really tried to get into it and given it more chance and a lot more time.

But all these game releases within weeks of each other i have decided to leave Battlefield 3 like the many that will more than likely do the same with MW3.

You see i know what I'm getting with MW and i know what i like and if i don't like MW3 then it will be a major shock

I really don't know how I'm going to find the time to play all these games but the thought of passing on Saints Row 3rd,Skyrim, and the new Zelda is to much of a temptation to resist and another reason why i never picked up Battlefield 3.

Normally i would say i would pick it up in the new year or around Christmas but with the games i mentioned i dont think it will be necessary and i am hoping MW3 keeps me occupied for months and months like the previous two games with a little light entertainment between with Saints Row

When you look at the content that MW3 has with the single player game.then Spec Ops Missions and also Survival mode that is worth the £40 alone,then you have all the online multiplayer stuff and the usual modes but with added others like Kill Confirmed then this game alone will keep be busy for ages.

And it's in Russian!

Might be annoying come next update, but oh wells I'll sort something out when that comes.

Spook add me! We need a 4th who won't go 0 - 12.

Ok after much more deliberation and the fact that I could get BF3 LE for £23 !! I went and ordered should be here next week. Oh and its the PC version.

prepare to get owned for the first week until you get some decent unlocks/weapons and learn the maps.

Haven't had that problem, probably thanks to the beta and bc2.

Rank 21. Want my squad perks!

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Haven't had that problem, probably thanks to the beta and bc2.

Rank 21. Want my squad perks!

Squad perks????

The perk boosts that extend to your squad such as better sprint or extra explosives or more ammo or less suppression effect (best one imo).

Cool I like the sound of that

Yea, I just unlocked the last of them - am looking forwards to when all 4 can have them. A lot of my clan mates are just getting the first one. Squad ammo is a must and squad flak when mortars are around is very good too.

I didn't know about the squad perks either actually. Sound good though. Very clever unlike the excessive unlocking of basic vehicle functions like flares/smokes and alternate fire.

I am still unsure about all that relentless unlocking. Okay to have it for personnel but it's a real drag trying to configure your load out each time you go into battle. More so the choosing of your primary gun accessories actually but jaysus, do we really need so many options? I realise I might be in the minority here but enough is enough.

I've been trying the static AA again. IF you get kills with it then it can be upgraded. BUT it is impossible ti get a kill. I've had a few assists and some destroyed vehicles but they just bail out before you get the kill.
IMO AA guns are a complete waste of time and the skies are safe from anyone on the ground.
First upgrade is smoke. Brilliant just what you need on something that doesn't even move .

DICE needs to patch this otherwise it's a pointless addition to the game

You are the minority.

I think the weapon unlocks are p poor copy and paste job. Pretty much every weapon can have a reflex sight or flashlight or flash suppressor. Very odd.

Also key to victory is the IRNV, I don't use it, but seen lot's of K/D chasers with it.

In what sense do you mean I am the minority as my reading is you're more or less on the same page as me from what you just wrote.

My comment meant that I feel the unlocks are unnecessarily complex and convoluted and I assume it's a minority view as I imagine, from the success of COD MW and the unlock system in that that the majority view must be favourable of that kind of thing; the marketing formula is right, the game sells, the kids love it and that's why the developers have gone to such lengths to expand the silly unlock/perks bs to the extent they have and then BF3 have essentially (to my far less informed) mind, essentially copied it.

I don't like it particularly and from what I just read, you don't like it much either? I prefer the system in BF2, at least it was clear (from BF2stats.com or whatever it's domain was/is not in game) what was coming next and when it would all end. In BF3, it's fubar and a distraction. So, please elucidate as I'm not sure what you mean and want to make sure I'm reading you right. I'm seriously sleep deprived though so might just be totally braindead so please bear that in mind for why I'm asking if it's obvious. Thanks.

I am still unsure about all that relentless unlocking. Okay to have it for personnel but it's a real drag trying to configure your load out each time you go into battle. More so the choosing of your primary gun accessories actually but jaysus, do we really need so many options? I realise I might be in the minority here but enough is enough.

You're not in the minority mate. I find it far more complex than it needs to be.
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Gotta agree - too many scopes that are irrelevant. I got shot yesterday by someone with a rifle scope (8x zoom that comes default on sniper rifles) on a F2000. What is with that? And bipods for every gun? Strikes me as lazy coding...

It is also annoying that in order to change something like a scope (I use ironsights 95% of the time but put on IRNV when in dark bits) you have to click customize and then further click into loadout - it shouldn't need that! Surely the customize screen should just do it all...

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Also key to victory is the IRNV, I don't use it, but seen lot's of K/D chasers with it.

What is the IRNV??

Infra red night vision. Need 100 kills with most guns to unlock it. Makes hiding on a hill impossible

I found the wall of lead approach or at times could lead a fast jet, but as you say assists only on the static

I like having unlocks for attachments to make a weapon better and more suited to what you use it for, just BF3 has done a very poor job of it, and from the number of people buying bf3/mw3 etc it seems the majority love that kind of thing.

http://www.ea.com/servers/battlefield3

Erm not so useful for pc, but I guess it will stop the flood of QQ when the servers go down for maintenance (it's always the same, few people post "why is the servers offline?" "zomg dice can't do anything right!").

That was what I was saying or trying to. It is bizarre to have such variety and upon so many weapons you would not expect to find such items. The optical zoom is so great on some weapons it's just cheating really. Crazy.

Plus, okay, the Infra Red scope is cool but it's night and day to those who have it (pun sorta intended) as it's so damn easy to spot people. When you're a noob without it and without much else, you will be fodder for people who are all geared up and the main advantage is the IR scope.

The bipods are annoying. You've got heavy barrel, foregrip, underslung this and that and loads of separate toggles when it's not necessary.

It's gone too far in the direction of that classic arcade game, what's it called? Modern Warfare?

Seems I'm not alone afterall then. That's a relief.

You sure your real name is not cocoa the clown or something .

Thanks for explaining what you meant. I think some unlocks - the attachements for weapons - are okay but there are too many of them and needless variety. And, as you and ilh both say, the copy and paste structure EA have for giving the same unlocks to to weapons that just don't need them is crazy.

Do we really need 10 or 20 different optical scopes? It takes too long to scroll through them all when most people are just going to use what is best: IR/strong magnification optics. All the rest is just mess.

Hahaha. I only put these in for you! I think you might have missed a fair few MW jokes as you might have skipped my more lengthier posts not that I blame you.

So, in order not to sully this thread too much with talk of MW3 and assuming you've got it... what's the verdict mate? Any good or what?

Its very much the same as before matey only bigger and a little better with some fantastic new game modes.

THIS REVIEW SUMS IT UP

Its one of the many positive reviews but there are also quite a few average ones doing the rounds also.

Its early days spook and i have posted some initial thoughts and views in other threads on these forums,from what i have played briefly single player it very intense ,survival mode is superb but only played it on my own and played Kill Confirmed online which was also brilliant.

Its MW Spook so if you loved the previous 2 then you will be well and truly happy but with a few added additions thrown in.

Controversial Edge Magazine gave the game a 9/10 and thats saying something given there track record over the past few years.

Oh and same Mag gave the new zelda a 10 .

Edited by time2die (Tue 08-Nov-11 16:56:25)

Cheers bud, much appreciated. Those scores looked exceptionally high actually to the point of making me suspicious as I've read through some of the other links you posted now.

I'm not really into MW online so doubt I'll be buying it for any multiplayer action. Do you think it's still worth a purchase for the single player campaign? I will now go and watch some videos and again, cheers for taking the time out of your busy gaming schedule to fill noobs like me, in.

Watch out for the points boosters on hardcare mode, ie two engineers, not gonna go into to much more detail so as not to promote it!!!!
Other than taht i'm still loving it!!
Still talking Bf3 by the way.

Edited by jorkila (Tue 08-Nov-11 17:12:47)

In reply to a post by jorkila:

Watch out for the points boosters on hardcare mode, ie two engineers, not gonna go into to much more detail so as not to promote it!!!!
Other than taht i'm still loving it!!
Still talking Bf3 by the way.

Hardcore mode gives you more points? Two engineers? Hmm.

Single player from what i have played spook about 1 hour is as good if not better than previous MW games,so if you thought the first two single player modes in MW were ok then you will like this.

I have heard it the shortest Cod game by far with some reports of it been finished in 4 hours but someone like you that equates to 4 weeks [ho ho ho]

Only joking matey you know T2D loves you

Oh ho ho ho. Now who's the clown?

You're probably right though, actually. I do take my time in games. BF3 sp didn't last me long at all though and I don't particularly wanna go and replay it so if MW3 sp is much shorter than MW2 then yeah, it might be a bit of a serious issue on top of everything else as I won't likely be buying it for the mp.

Edited by deleted (Tue 08-Nov-11 18:27:13)

Haven't seen a mobile one yet. Maybe they are only in PC version??

64 player maps have the mobile AA.

Thanks I got one tonight for my SCAR but haven't tried it yet

I agree some of the scopes are pointless. I noticed there is a 7x for the SCAR why would you need that???

I seem to have learnt how to fly the choppers
Not great at it yet but well on my way. I could never fly the [censored] things in BC2 but seem to have the hang of them in BF3 especially the little one.

Look out for death from above Swanny style

Disabled my first helicopter with a jet last night.

Now I have 100 points in aircraft!

Yes.

That is all.

You should become kamikaze and fly into them