Playstation 4 or Xbox One Your views..?

Just thought i would start a little thread regarding the upcoming next generation of consoles,i know on and of we have discussed certain pros and cons,some people are not interested and will be sticking with PC gaming,others like me have ditched Microsofts console for obvious reasons and have concentrated on buying only a Playstation 4 because in all honesty i would have bought both.

So i though i would try and get some thoughts and in depth opinions on what the gamers on these very forums plan on doing,are they buying at launch,have they pre/ordered.what are they buying,are they waiting for a price cut [poor Swanny]

Any PC gamers on here thinking of purchasing a console for the first time in there life,if so your reasons and what console have you chosen.

What games do we all plan on getting at launch,because a Console is only as good as the software thats on it,there seems to be plenty of choice to keep me well occupied through the winter but not everyone likes FPS.

The Playstation 4 launch game KNACK looks like some throw back to the days of the Playstation 1 and i can see this in Swannys bargain bin pretty quick so he will be well chuffed if he decides to pick up a Playstation 4.

Swanny says he is not bothering and i say he will more likely be one of those people at the midnight launch but claiming he's not interested.

What i will say Swanny is well done for the amount of posts you have contributed on the Gaming forums lately as its well needed for sure.

Can we convince Spookish to go down the console route,why should we even try as a gamer at heart would know that there is far more games on the consoles because there is so much more money in it for developers.

Don't get me wrong myself i was once nothing but a PC player and at the time the games on the PC took an age to arrive on consoles if ever at all,there will be PC gamers amongst us that will deny it and tell me that PC still has the edge,in terms of raw power i agree,in terms of better games i disagree .

Edited by time2die (Wed 18-Sep-13 15:06:44)

I never said I'm waiting for the price to drop. I'll get one when I feel the need to do so

Thanks for your input that answered the question in the thread down to a tee NOT.

What you should have said is if and when i get one it will be with the Battlefield 4 bundle or the prestige package where you get a toy soldier and a making of the game video,along with a booklet and a dog tag .....

Because its likely to be the only dog tag you are going to get hold of.

Only Kidding...

Edited by time2die (Wed 18-Sep-13 17:21:35)

I was interesting to hear about the complete mess Microsoft made in releasing the console. I didn't watch the keynote speech as I dont have insomnia...

Both the PS4 and XBone are vastly overpriced, and I don't see how they are going to be better than a PC. Hopefully (for buyers) they will be able to add a keyboard and mouse...

It would be nice to develop for the XBox One, as long as you didn't have to use C# (which, like Java is a complete and utter mess). But I couldn't justify the cost of buying one just for that.

Another disadvantage of the consoles is, of course, software prices. I presume the difference will be vastly more than £10 this time, over the PC version.

I don't think £350 is expensive compared to PC's. And before anyone starts on the 'build your own' argument, I don't want to build my own PC, just as I don't want to build my own washing machine. I work too damned hard and that's not how I spend time in my bedroom. (That's where I'm practising for next years Got to Dance audition).

As for software I think you're right, although Sony did mention somewhere that they would not be changing the price of first party games at all. We'll have to wait and see if that was just a soundbite.

I dont now how you come to the conclusion the £349 is vastly over priced for a next generation console especially when you take into consideration whats inside the unit and the fact that 7 years ago the original launch of the Playstation 3 was £499.

£349 for a Playstation 4 is the deal of the year as far as I'm concerned,a new smartphone costs upwards of £600 like a Samsung galaxy.

Besides that i think that amount £349 is what you spend every month upgrading your PC

And a build your own PC costing £350 would be pretty dated and useless by todays standards .......Playstation 4 could have cost £600 and i still would have bought one,then take into consideration i wont be buying parts for it for the next 7 years and my only outlay is for games.

I think I am actually swinging back to Xbox One, a few of my friends are looking to get one and I like the look of a few exclusive games coming out which I have mentioned here such as Ryse and Quantum Break.

I've thought about it long and hard and I don't really care if they do go back on their word so I can play preowned as I never really buy preowned and the Kinect thing always being on that's fine too. If Microsoft want to sit and watch me play BF4 in my underpants they can do

I will be getting a PS4 next gen, no doubt about it. It costs less, is better and seems aimed more at the core gamer (they seem to understand what's important to gamers). I admit I am biased towards Sony as the PS3 is the only console I've had this gen and I have been very happy with it. Microsoft would have had to do something very special for me to switch.

Not yet decided when I will get one, probably not at launch though.

Well i never.........Going back to a Xbox One........John McEnroe comment Are you serious

Nothing for me as far as Microsoft concerned and like trance they would seriously have to blow me away with games totally exclusive to that platform........And as of yet i aint seen any.

I may look to get a PS4 once its out, my only problem is will i play on it enough to justify the outlay and the higher cost of games.

Have always had a playstation, got a ps3 after a few months but sold my half to my brother as i did not play it enough, friends have fifa cod etc but im not sure its enough of a reason to pay for a new console.

they are both overpriced, the ps3 of course was also overpriced at launch. Generally buying a console at launch is a bad idea financially, its the most likely times bugs will exist, its the most expensive time to buy one and it will have a limited games library. There is also no guaruantuee it will be a success look at the wii-u. I got my 360 3-4 years after launch, is a falcon, hasnt died on me. So I also havent had to repurchase one.

Financially comparing a pc to a console and value for money, pc's are a winner, most console gamers who dont have pc's have a misty view of pc costs. eg. buying a hdd for a pc isnt super inflated like it is for a xbox. Components can be upgraded over time instead of waiting for a next gen console at a inflated price which then doesnt also have BC so means ditching your old games or having 2 consoles lieing around. The only reason I own consoles is nothing to do with hardware but to do with exclusive games, (new) jrpg's are pretty much none existant on the pc, if all the games I wanted existed for the pc I wouldnt own a console pure and simple. Plus add the fact multiplayer gaming, netflix, heck even web browsing doesnt command an extra monthly sub on a pc.
Of course the pc is great for old jrpg's I can play old pc versions and old console versions (via an emulator). Believe it or not ps2 games run better on my pc than my ps3 (with its native BC).

I own a pc for work and general internet use, the amount I have spent on the parts of it that enhance games is easily under £349. Also all the talk next gen consoles cant even handle 1080p, the launch games having to use lower resolutions and be upscaled, the hardware inside those things isnt that good. PC's have been able to handle 1080p for half a decade.

Edited by Chrysalis (Thu 19-Sep-13 18:01:28)

£350 for a gaming machine which will last at least 7 years is great value, I don't know how you could consider that over priced. Sony can't be making much if any profit on the hardware. One of the big benefits of console gaming is the games are made for the exact hardware you have, there's no need for upgrades and also developers can highly optimize the games. Just look what they have achieved with some of the recent games such as TLOU or GTA 5.

I am in no way against PC gaming, I was a PC gamer for years before and have built my last 3 rigs. Been quite a few years since my last build but if you were to build a budget gaming system from scratch its bound to be around the £400 mark not including monitor.

In reply to a post by astateoftrance:

£350 for a gaming machine which will last at least 7 years is great value,

I wonder what the average life span of a PS4 will be??

That doesn't factor in any hardware failures. Hopefully they will be reliable though =/

There are suggestion that Sony won't this to last 10 years,some are saying that this will be the last consoles we see,not sure what they actually mean by that to be honest.

Anyway £350 for a Playstation 4 is fantastic value,and there are plenty of decent games at launch to to keep me well ocupied.

So I don't get the where's the software at launch bit one little bit,Battlefield 4, Watchdogs,Killzone Shadowfall,Cod Ghosts ,Assasins Creed to name but a few,free games like Drive Club and the new House Marque game Resigun,then next year we have some massive games like Infamous second son and plenty of more Sony Exclusives.

I'm decided. The console, extra controller and camera package is the one for me. Just waiting for it to officially arrive as an option on shopto.net so I can swap my pre-order bundle.Then I can play Planetside 2, DriveClub and Resogun for a couple of weeks before deciding what game to actually buy to tide me over for Christmas, and the kids get to muck around with the Adipose on the camera.

I really can't choose between Watchdogs and KZ:SF

is it better value than one that costs £200 of the same cpu/gpu/ram spec and probably also with larger hdd and slimmer design?

Details about Sony's digital upgrade scheme have been announced:

http://us.playstation.com/digitalupgrade/

Only four games supported so far: Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag, Call of Duty: Ghosts, Watch Dogs and Battlefield 4.

Boo. Looks like GTA V isn't on the list.

And what machine is that then ?

Watchdogs will have far more depth and more than likely a better single player game mode,but Killzone Shadowfall will eat it for breakfast when it comes to online fps action..

you need to convince me the camera worth getting as i see nothing with this that slightly interests me and i just see it as Sony Substitutive for Kinect which is Pants and the same as the Sony Playstation Move.

What game bundle do you have at present,im thinking a Playstation 4 with KNACK Sad person

Well i guess someones got to buy it.........

Edited by time2die (Fri 20-Sep-13 00:28:18)

In reply to a post by time2die:

What game bundle do you have at present,im thinking a Playstation 4 with KNACK Sad person

Nah, just the console on its own at the minute.

The camera is for the kids. They'll love messing about with the playroom over Christmas.

Wont the house be one Gigantic Playroom at Christmas Anyway.Without the Camera.

Planetside 2.........Are you loosing it or something because i just watched this on Ign.com and it looks like total junk mate.

It looks like that game i bought that was some mrpg online and ended up been totally useless and i traded it a day later.........Can not even think of the name now it was that brilliant.

With Knack and now Planetside 2 I've booked you an appointment with a shrink later next week to get you back on track..

Are similar tastes in games seem to have well and truly gone out the window matey

In reply to a post by time2die:

And what machine is that then ?

that will be rehashed ps4/xbox1 models released in a couple of years at a lower price.

chill

PS2 is not about graphics as its more about gameplay with 100's-1000's of players on a server, fights can scale from small squads to a full out assult from companies with 50+ bringing both air and armour to the fight.

Its popular enough that MLG are having the developers make a esports mode of the game, so its doing quite well.

It looks like that game i bought that was some mrpg online and ended up been totally useless and i traded it a day later.........Can not even think of the name now it was that brilliant.

Dust 514.

Are similar tastes in games seem to have well and truly gone out the window matey

Nah, just being careful. I'll be brassic lint by Xmas so I want to make sure I choose the right game. I still think it will be KZ:SF

Knack is going to be a great game and don't you doubt it. The physics look amazing.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

is it better value than one that costs £200 of the same cpu/gpu/ram spec and probably also with larger hdd and slimmer design?

Yes like all technology it will go down in price over time but I think it will be a long wait for it to reach £200, more than a couple of years.

Here we are, Sony has revealed they make a loss on each PS4 so no way you can say its over priced.

Sony will lose money on each piece of PlayStation 4 hardware sold at launch, the company has revealed, but it's positioned itself to mitigate that loss once with some common purchases.

The news was revealed by Sony Japan's Masayasu Ito in an interview with Eurogamer. He went on to point out that the other purchases it anticipates the average consumer will make with a PS4 at launch -- such as a PlayStation Plus membership and a game -- will allow it to recover its losses.

Not been about for a while ( working abroad ) so little bit late to this thread .

Xbone is my choice and I know its not the popular choice but after lots of thinking about it I just don't want to risk the one thing that Xbox have got so right that no other gaming platform even comes close to replicating , Xbox Live .

Its simply the best for a social gamer like my self and the fact I will still be able to keep in contact with my friends on 360 whilst on the One .
With the massive investment Microsoft are making towards their cloud service I only see the gap between the online experience between the two console manufactures increasing , with Sony always playing catch up .

In all honesty if you step away from the petty arguments about which console has the better hardware there really is not very much else about the PS4 that says nextgen . its simply just a more powerful console with not much innovation . IMHO .

You know i actually agree with quite a few of your points regarding the online service,but for me as i have stated on many occasions Microsoft completely shot themselves in the foot with there original ideas and proposals which alienated there customer base who have supported them for a long long time and made the Xbox Live such a good service.

What they actually proposed to do was criminal and a kick in the teeth to everybody that has owned a Microsoft console past or present.

To me the wounds to deep and don't trust Microsoft and there Xbox One i will watch to see what happens and thats all I'm prepared to do.

There has been a lot of comings and going of employee since that Microsoft PR disaster ,some i feel were forced and I'm not surprised.

Kind of strange really because this generation i have passed on everything except a Playstation 4 because i think Sony nailed it with there presentation and Microsoft had little choice but to backtrack and try and put things right.

Imagine if Sony had the vision and same bright Ideas as Microsoft,because this year i would be buying nothing and basically giving up Gaming forever .

Edited by time2die (Thu 17-Oct-13 00:24:12)

This is strange , I actually agree with you about what happened at E3 , it was a PR disaster for Microsoft .

I felt exactly the same as you still do now and was very firmly in the PS4 camp but as time has gone by I have had a chance to understand what Microsoft was trying to do with DRM and what was going to be on offer .

Even thou now I still don't like the idea of buying digital content but never actually owning it , its been a very successful model for Steam and Apple , I can see why Microsoft wanted to go down this route and if thruth be told , will be in the future .

I'm pretty confident when Microsoft drop the price of the Xbone in the summer you won't be able to resist and I will of course be posting up my experience of the titanfall beta that I am now part of due to my shopto pre order . which could force your hand , if its as good as we are led to believe .

Never say never .

Strange as it may seem Bert that Titanfall is a game that fails to impress me then more i see it but thanks for telling me about the beta shopto offered you with your Xbox One.

Your right Never Say Never and if they come out with a few games that i really need to have [Exclusives] Like a drop Dead Gorgeous New Gears Game then i will more than likely buy One [pardon the Pun]

But in the mean time and the fact that Multi Platform game Watchdogs is delayed until at least Spring next year me and the lads on here will be shooting it up with Killzone Shadowfall but sadly no such luck on the FPS front for you and very surprising move yet again by Microsoft Not bringing a FPS out for Launch.

Obviously you have Ghosts and Battlefield,what games you going with your Xbox One........may be Forza...Dead Rising.

Anyway matey nice seeing you back on the forums and at least we will get a review about your Xbox One and the Games on here which will help me decide in the future if its worth a look.

Edited by time2die (Thu 17-Oct-13 07:13:33)

Ah so you're the one that's going to buy an xbone

You know what ! There will be no pre order for Ghost , I'm all dead rising and BF4 .

Thing is , I do have a pre order for a PS4 and will be getting one on day of realise , that will be going straight on EBay for what I expect to be a very healthy profit .

If I see a big profit in my Xbone (which is doubtful as preorders are weak and supply is strong ) it will also be going on eBay .

Guilty as charged

Yeah Shopto not doing pre/ orders of Ghosts as they don't like the release date Tuesday and the publishers restrictions about only sending the game out on the Monday the day before .

Shopto argument is that the Royal Mail say 1 to 3 days for 1st class delivery and even though most of the time they get there the following day Shopto have took a stance as they say some of there customers may well not get the game at launch because of the publishers postal restrictions .

And to add fuel to the fire and something Shopto have mentioned on there website,the Royal Mail have decided to take a one day strike on that very day.....coincidence or what ?

Selling your Playstation 4 ....are you mad

Edited by time2die (Thu 17-Oct-13 20:11:54)

Selling a PS4 for a healthy profit sounds like a good idea to me

Selling a PC makes even more sense

Unless you're one of the people who wanted one to play but couldn't get one. Greed, no better than ticket touts.

Yeah, I kinda gotta agree with that. Imagine if every day one purchase went on eBay? Must be a substantial number bought solely for the purpose of profiteering.

Poster: SPOOKish
Subject: Re: Playstation 4 or Xbox One Your views..?
Yeah, I kinda gotta agree with that. Imagine if every day one purchase went on eBay? Must be a substantial number bought solely for the purpose of profiteering.

Unless its a Xbox One your trying to sell on Ebay and you actually have to pay them for taking it of your hands.......Sorry Bert could not resist .

Hope in a couple of months that statement don't come back and haunt me and i come on here saying Guess what i just bought......Its even dafter than Purchasing that Playstation 4 game KNACK

A Wii U?

I don't agree with people buying loads of them just to sell but if you had one and someone wanted to pay three or four times what you paid for it you'd be daft not to sell. Anyone that wants to pay that much over the odds for one rather than just wait a bit longer is a fool.

Never say Never

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

Unless you're one of the people who wanted one to play but couldn't get one. Greed, no better than ticket touts.

water off a ducks back , anyone that says they don't have a price is as big a fool as those that pay that price .

And I do indeed have a history of selling my place in que's and selling at a profit but is that really being greedy ?

In all honesty if you step away from the petty arguments about which console has the better hardware there really is not very much else about the PS4 that says nextgen . its simply just a more powerful console with not much innovation . IMHO .

Not sure you can actually say there is no Innovation in a Playstation 4,it looks a lot nicer and better looking than the Xbox One that looks like a VCR from the 80s.

They have most of the indi devs working on it,take away the multi media functions of the Xbox One and the integration with the TV and all that stuff that most gamers don't care about as we already have Sky Tv and Dvd Players hooked up why would we care.

If none of us had the above then it would be a useful system ,but since this was a massive part of there reveal that went pear shaped in the first place who cares,because Gamers that supported the Xbox Brand aired there views Bigtime all over the internet and with the pre/order sales charts regarding both systems.

You know i hope your right and I'm wrong regarding the Xbox One,i haven't got a problem back tracking and picking one up if there online service and games are as good as you are expecting it to be.

There online was way better and there ports where also better,but i now feel that on the ports sides of things the playstation 4 will not look worse than its counterpart and think if anything it will be the ultimate version.

What the console looks like is purely an objective thing . me personally , I absolutely don't care , its not even on my list of considerations . I would never pick form over function .

Now you make a list of some of the innovations that are coming with the xbone and dismiss them as petty but mis what I believe is going to be the game changer , the one thing that every single person that has a PS4 on pre-order Does not want to debate .

Xbox Live and cloud computation for games with dedicated servers for every game . Its a massive deal and the reason I have moved to the Xbone camp .

I don't believe porting a game from one console to the other is going to be a issue as the arcuteture are more or less the same but porting a game that uses cloud computation to a console that does not ,could be very interesting .

PS4 will have Gaikai which is a cloud/streaming service, from what I have read it will be for streaming PS1/PS2 & PS3 games but I don't see why it can't also be used for streaming PS4 games if they wanted to.

Looks like cloud gaming is the future but the big question is what speed internet connections will be needed for it? I know here in the UK they are trying to rollout supertfast connections to most people but what about the rest of the world..?

Here is the real problem for Sony . at this moment and almost definitely most of next year there will be no cloud service .

Sony where caught completely unaware by Microsoft's cloud announcement and everything that's happening now with Sony is all catch up , with nothing confirmed and I do mean nothing .

Internet recommendation for the Xbone is 1.5 up and down . I would imagine most ADSL2+ connection will just about do .

Edited by deleted (Fri 18-Oct-13 16:59:47)

Will Microsoft be using this extra cloud processing power from day 1? It will be interesting to see what difference it will make to games on XBOX1. I think next year is still very early days for this technology and I do not think Sony are left behind in anyway not having it up and running yet. And lets not forget all the problems this technology can and will have. Just remember back to SimCity this year.

From my understanding of it , they will be using it from day 1 , its an integral part of their plans for the future .

And your right I don't know how its going to pan out but my point was " when you move away from the hardware , what other parts of the PS4 are nextgen ? " its just a more powerful console with little in the way of innovation .

Here is the real problem for Microsoft............SONY

Its all well and good having a great gaming cloud service but you also need blockbuster type titles to use it and Microsoft has not bought anything that decent to the table.

Where are there big Franchises apart from the driving game Forza,where is there Halo Gone[Eloped with Bungie doing other multi platform titles like Destiny]Where is there Gears,previous one not done by Epic games and laundered out to people can fly who completely ruined it and didn't even include one of the most addictive online experiences we call Horde Mode.

Only time will tell who has the better system and Games and Online service so even though i agree with many of your views i still can not forgive what Microsoft originally bought to the table even though i played my Xbox 360 way more than my Playstation 3 except exclusives which quite frankly Microsoft have lost in there droves.

In reply to a post by woweebert:

From my understanding of it , they will be using it from day 1 , its an integral part of their plans for the future .

And your right I don't know how its going to pan out but my point was " when you move away from the hardware , what other parts of the PS4 are nextgen ? " its just a more powerful console with little in the way of innovation .

People harp on about how powerful a PC is most of the time one here,its one of there reasons why they choose to play games on them.

Don't tell me a more powerful system does not matter ? it open many doors for developers and increases what they can achieve when designing and making games.

Poster: woweebert
Subject: Re: Playstation 4 or Xbox One Your views..?
What the console looks like is purely an objective thing . me personally , I absolutely don't care , its not even on my list of considerations . I would never pick form over function .

Neither would i but Sony Design and R and D department seems to be streets ahead of Microsoft,thats why we all ditched are massive big fat Televisions and moved on to screens about half a inch thick with better resolutions,same with phones and same with most media gadgets.

I doubt Bert you yourself is still using and Nokia 3210 and you have what i suspect a nice ultra modern smartphone based on looks and function ?

If i was going to get a Xbone this is what i would Buy

Edited by time2die (Fri 18-Oct-13 17:29:30)

I don't believe porting a game from one console to the other is going to be a issue as the arcuteture are more or less the same but porting a game that uses cloud computation to a console that does not ,could be very interesting .

I really hope that Microsoft and there Cloud Gaming nails it.......For me there is only one winner.......Gamers like myself.

I see Shopto have now announced more xbox one console pre/orders guaranteed for release day after having another shipment from Microsoft.

Let the console war begin...... Nintendo need not apply

Edited by time2die (Fri 18-Oct-13 17:34:42)

Well hardware is a major part of it and as I pointed out Sony already has a streaming/cloud service in Gaikai so I don't really see what Microsoft has that Sony do not? Although it seems MS will have the cloud working before Sony but I do not think this is a problem.

In reply to a post by astateoftrance:

Well hardware is a major part of it and as I pointed out Sony already has a streaming/cloud service in Gaikai so I don't really see what Microsoft has that Sony do not? Although it seems MS will have the cloud working before Sony but I do not think this is a problem.

Nor me ,and Sony have way more exclusive games in development far more than Microsoft, and Games sell consoles not cloud gaming with little to nothing at present to use the service.

Agree. A new LBP and TLOU sequel is enough to give Sony the upper hand for me

Sorry but this post makes no sense to me , as its obvious you have not looked at the releases coming out on Xbone , not just at release but next year .

All the big exclusives are on xbone and not just made by in house studios , like killzone . and the reason they are , is Microsoft have all that Xbox live money to secure them .

There is no getting away from the fact the PS3 is the more powerful machine but then again it needs to be as it doesn't have cloud computing . how much that will come into play I don't know but I'm betting quite allot .

In reply to a post by astateoftrance:

Sony already has a streaming/cloud service in Gaikai so I don't really see what Microsoft has that Sony do not?

no they don't have any kind of cloud service . Gaikai is not confirmed and will not be a service you can use for a while yet , if at all .

astateoftrance has already told you Sony has a cloud service called Gaikai which will go live 2014 so you are either ignoring the fact or can not see past Microsoft.

We shall see what sells the best and how many users each Platform has in the next 12 months,all the Microsoft needs is another over heating issue and its basically Game Over.

Obviously i don't expect this to happen but who knows ?

You Bert are obviously in the Microsoft Camp and a fair few other on here are in the Sony Camp,nothing wrong with all of us having a little banter as to which we think is better.

Until release and about 12/18 months only then will we get the facts and figures regarding which is better and which is coming out on top.

For that we need to see the Cloud service offered by Microsoft and how that shows of Games wise,and what games come to each Platform.

Like i said if Microsoft console is a success and they have exclusive games that everybody raves on about i will go out and buy one,but until that happens I'm more than happy to stick purely with my Playstation 4.

So where exactly did astateoftrance say the Gaikai service ( that's not even confirmed) would be going live in 2014 ?.

The way I'm reading astateoftrance posts , is its already a done deal , which it most definitely is not . and also the fact your trying to compare Gaikai service with what Microsoft are offering means you dont fully understand what is on offer .

I know this is going to barrack you but I don't think you actually want to understand how big a deal this is , as it does not suit your preferred choice .

In reply to a post by time2die:

You Bert are obviously in the Microsoft Camp and a fair few other on here are in the Sony Camp,nothing wrong with all of us having a little banter as to which we think is better.

Until release and about 12/18 months only then will we get the facts and figures regarding which is better and which is coming out on top.

For that we need to see the Cloud service offered by Microsoft and how that shows of Games wise,and what games come to each Platform.

Like i said if Microsoft console is a success and they have exclusive games that everybody raves on about i will go out and buy one,but until that happens I'm more than happy to stick purely with my Playstation 4.

agreed . apart from I'm in nobody's camp except my own and feel no allegiance to any platform or manufacture but do enjoy debating .

In a roundtable interview at Tokyo Game Show today, Sony Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida said that Sony plans to launch Gaikai cloud services with a library of PS3 games in North America next year.
A selection of games will be available at launch, which will expand over time - Yoshida mentioned that users will want a good selection of titles to browse through from the beginning, like with Netflix, so the plan is to launch with a decent number of available games. They will be available to play through PS4, PS Vita and the recently-announced Vita TV.

Sony will launch this service in 2014 in North America. Asked about plans for European territories, Yoshida had no specific timeframe to share, but it is likely to be after the North American launch.

IGN Article here

So yes it is confirmed Gaikai is coming to PS4, PS Vita and PS TV in 2014.

Not confirmed for Europe . and where do you live ?

And not forgetting there are 12 months in 2014 and saying something so vague should not be something to shout about . 2015 ? Maybe . that will be catch up then .

Edited by deleted (Fri 18-Oct-13 19:13:07)

It may not be confirmed but it's a sure thing it will be coming to Europe also.

In reply to a post by woweebert:

The way I'm reading astateoftrance posts , is its already a done deal , which it most definitely is not . and also the fact your trying to compare Gaikai service with what Microsoft are offering means you dont fully understand what is on offer .

From what I have read Microsoft are offering the option to do some of the games computations in the cloud so that the game can be better than it could have been just running off the console. The current known plans for Gaikai are that it will run the whole game in the cloud and stream it all to your console. This is already a step ahead of what Microsoft are offering though it will obviously need more bandwidth. Surely though if Sony want to they can also use Gaikai to do part of the computation for a game if they choose to.

Edited by astateoftrance (Fri 18-Oct-13 19:28:09)

And I do indeed have a history of selling my place in que's and selling at a profit but is that really being greedy ?

The short form answer is yes.

Internet recommendation for the Xbone is 1.5 up and down . I would imagine most ADSL2+ connection will just about do .

For basic gaming yes. Any meaningful cloud computation functionality may require more and will definitely require decent latency.

Gaikai Are a subscription service and there really is no guarantee it will even make it to any other territory out side of the USA .

And if it does its not going to be next year , 2015 if your lucky I mean thier not even saying what quarter its going live in the USA .

Microsoft have been busy building thier infrastructure for their cloud well before they announced it . you can't just magic that type of investment over night .

Its a big deal its the future and a little less back slapping between you PS4 dudes and a little more debate on this forum you might actually understand how big a game changer this could possibly be .

Edited by deleted (Fri 18-Oct-13 19:57:14)

Gaikai was bought and is owned by Sony so what you mean by a subscription service is anybody's guess

Sony bought Gaikai last year for $380 million so I think given that amount of money they will be using it in Europe which is a huge market for them. Gaikai were established in 2008 so obviously they already have a lot of expertise and infrastructure so it's not like Sony are starting from scratch.

Well you are because you are singing the praises of Microsoft which is rare indeed especially after there reveal .

Don't trust Microsoft fully because once they have a user install base there is nothing stopping them from reverting to there original plans and DRM .

no they don't have any kind of cloud service . Gaikai is not confirmed and will not be a service you can use for a while yet , if at all .

I think you have gotten confused. Streaming games in HD has a far greater bandwidth cost than anything "cloud computing" is likely to require. Without superfast connections cloud computing has little or nothing to offer for the foreseeable future, whatever Respawn may be being paid to blather on about.

Sony paid half a billion quid for Gaikai because they were probably the most technically advanced of all the cloud gaming start ups.

Cloud computing is an MS marketing ruse aimed at gullible 16 year olds.

What the console looks like is purely an objective thing

Subjective.

That wouldn't surprise me. It's likely the main reason MS are using cloud computing is to combat piracy as if you can't connect to their servers then your game doesn't work.

Good point.

They need to sort out broadband first


Here's the Baron having a grumble about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuX-Stw4Y6I

Enter the dragon and get burnt Gaikai is very unlikely to be coming to Europe

By the time Gaikai service (if at all ) comes to Europe Microsoft will have thier own

Microsoft all ready have a cloud service and dedicated servers for every game , on release .

As I look out of my window I can see my fibre cabanit , I would not be getting a xbone if I didn't have fibre, Its only right that a next gen console would need a next gen connection .

If you don't have at the very least a ADSL2+ connection I would opt for the PS4 and not the Xbone but I do and I'm going for the console that's more than just uprated hardware , that has real innovation .

And hell , I'm going to say It " I want the DRM back " so developers get what they want and we get a future in gaming based on future technologies and not things from the past like optical drives .

Do you really think that Sony will let Microsoft lead the way with there cloud based gaming service,regardless of what Microsoft have there is no way Sony will let Microsoft take the spoils if this is the future in cloud gaming.

Gaikai you say won't be coming to Europe where this is Sonys dominate market is hard to swallow if you ask me,Bert I'm all for your views and opinions but you have made the same about turn as Microsoft regarding your personal preference in consoles given your original points of view .

I hope personally both succeed as this is the best result for gamers,only Microsoft have a lot of convincing to do to win back a lot of there supporters that have eloped to the Playstation platform.

You are putting a lot of hope and faith in Microsoft and there cloud gaming,I do hope you don't end up been completly disillusioned and disappointed .

Be interesting to see what you have to say about your Xbox One in 3 weeks time ,that's if you decide to keep it !

You are also presuming that I care about playstation 1 ,2 and 3 games that can be streamed through the cloud service which I'm not.

I buy next generation consoles to play next generation games and don't care less about backward compatibility .

But I read your link about the Sony service and it's a good point but personally makes no difference to me as as far as I'm concerned we don't even need cloud gaming.

I have plenty of games to play online without the need of the cloud so who cares.

From your link.

It seems unlikely Microsoft will beat Sony to market and is apparently referring to the streaming service as just a prototype internally right now. But for anyone concerned about how they are going to continue playing their 360 games a few years from now, Microsoft may have an answer soon that doesn�t require you to own a functioning Xbox 360.

from your other link.

Sony's pledge to allow previous-generations of games to be played on the PS4 through its cloud-streaming service Gaikai won't be fulfilled in Europe until at least 2015, the company has admitted.

I know Plummers are very creative with their figures but to me a few years is 2015 at the earliest .

So your point is ?

The point is there is no difference between the two of them apart from Microsoft's claims of cloud computation boosting the new Xbox's hardware capabilities, which is accepted as nonsense industry wide.

Perhaps you can explain how it works, or more importantly, what happens when your connection takes a sudden dip? Does the frame rate struggle, does it drop to 720 or does it perhaps temporarily revert to black and white? Cloud computation is nonsense and likely always will be. By the time the infrastructure catches up, the expectations will be 10 times greater than they are now.

Streaming games face frame rate issues and controller input latency. Expecting "cloud computing" to make any meaningful addition to performance faces even more fundamental problems.

And I'm not a plumber.

Oh cloud computing is nonsense , I guess somebody forgot to tell Google .

Just because that's the most ignorant post in this thread , even more ignorent than the one where you retorted to being the spelling and grammer police or where you say I'm greedy for making profit from Sony fanboys . yeah I love brand loyalty's, such a easy hit for a fast buck .

I'm going to let things ride as I count on people like yourself to help me pay for my xbone .

Roll on the red line of death oh and I'm dyslexic but you already know that which makes you spell checking me rather disgusting and discriminatory .

Edited by deleted (Sat 19-Oct-13 20:53:02)

Done a bit more reasearch and found the PS4 will be able to do the same cloud computing as the XBONE if developers choose to.

Microsoft has touted the Xbox One's cloud-computing capabilities, promising that the system's hardware resources can be freed up by accessing remote servers that handle AI and physics calculations. Those remote computations, Microsoft says, will allow the Xbox One, unlike the Xbox 360, to become more powerful over time.

]Sony Computer Entertainment's Shuhei Yoshida says that the PlayStation 4 can tap into similar technology, offloading processes that are typically handled locally to the cloud.[

Yoshida said that "of course" PS4 developers will be able to take advantage of cloud-based computing for their titles.

"Linking, matchmaking... there are already many computations being done on the cloud side," Yoshida said, adding that there are limitations to what processes can be offloaded to a remote computer, due to latency and bandwidth. [/quote]

Link

Edited by astateoftrance (Sat 19-Oct-13 21:12:44)

I didn't pick you up on spelling. And Dyslexia doesn't make you an idiot. That's a conscious decision, like writing troll as your occupation.

You've got a link posted below you that explains what I just posted, but I guess we must all be stupid.

I don't have any problem with you preferring the Xbox One. I have a problem with people talking carp and then claiming those who call them on it are "backslappers". And time2die has always preferred his Xbox 360. How does that make him a Sony fanboy? I haven't slagged the Xbox One off, so why should I not be able to discuss my preference with others without you sticking your great big nose in? You'd put Steve Martin to shame.

So why not explain how it works Einstein, or else grow a pair and retract your twaddle?

A more comprenensive rebuttal from people who really do know their stuff.

My favourite bit is when asked what would happen if your connection drops:

"In the event of a drop-out - and we all know that internet can occasionally drop out, and I do say occasionally because these days it seems we depend on internet as much as we depend on electricity - the game is going to have to intelligently handle that," he suggested, somewhat weakly.

Back to black and white it is then...

First off I don't like you , you try and put people down spell checking them to show your supposed superiority , its not a redeeming feature .

Any way back on thread and I know this is pointless posting to you because you would not of had anything under your telly for a very long time other than a PlayStation .

So what ever I say you won't except it , because that's the way you are .

Microsoft have invested billions in in a huge network of hundreds of thousands of servers around the world creating a huge computing cloud that developers can use when developing games for the Xbone .
Sony could not have a cloud network like this even if they wanted as they don't have 8 years of online subscriptions to be able to afford it .

Very right in saying "not every game needs a online server" but games that do will benefit hugely from having such a expansive cloud network to tap into .

That's a huge difference between say " yeah sure developers can use the cloud if they want " to " here is a cloud we want you to use " .

The benefits of using a cloud based services are only really restricted by your connection , and yes I do see there being issue for those on market1 exchanges .

The possibilities for cloud based computing are endless , in this thread we have spoken of a service that will be able to stream PS3 games to your phone , T.V. or console etc with all the computing done in the cloud , I have been reading up on this and see latency has been about 47ms .
That's amazing and what I want you to understand is the possibilities of cloud computing are only held back by the developers imagination , with I quote " consoles getting more powerful over time " .

So Sony don't have a huge cloud network , Microsoft do . which console do you thinks going to give you a better online experience ?

Its been obvious to me that Sony do indeed realise the importance of cloud computing , or why else would they have brought out gaikai but Sony's real issue is they don't have a cloud network but I'm sure , they will be building one , funds permitting .

So lift them balls out of your eyes and understand there are positives and negatives to all platforms and maybe if you had had more then just the one you might understand that and realise there are other valid options other than PlayStation with valid reason to consider them .

First off, I didn't walk into a thread and call you a fool, a backslapper and ignorant, and then hide behind Dyslexia. It is not your literary ability that is the problem, it's your attitude.

Instead of telling me how thick I am, just explain how it will work. You can use the Digital Foundary link for reference.

Actually a very good article but what I took from it was nobody really knows how the cloud is going to change gaming and Microsoft have got 300,000 servers to just run Xbox live .

Oh and the cloud has real benefits for online gaming . and that's where I spend 80% of my gaming time and has been my main issue with this generation of consoles .

It works by taking computation's away from the host machine and completing them in the cloud thus freeing up CPU cycles on the host machine . It can be used to create huge online worlds with many players and advanced AI . but that's just the start , as game developers have never had such a powerful cloud to use , who knows how it might be used in the future .

No you walked into this thread and called me "no better than a ticket tout and greedy" so don't try the "I'm the victim " and grow some your self .

Edited by deleted (Sun 20-Oct-13 01:01:17)

Bert i really thing you are taking your views to a extreme level,this forum is about people debating different aspects of all things gaming.

You have harped on about How Microsoft is so far ahead of Sony with its Cloud Gaming and myself,trance and mrneslter have pointed out our views and opinions.

You really should lighten up because if anyone spelling is a joke then its mine,and i don't see why you are picking up on such trivial things and where has your sense of humour gone.

We are not all going to be on board the Microsoft Cloud and there vision of the future,remember May and there vision then........And remember the Backlash that they received from Gamers and the media....

You seem to forgive and forget very easily and i hope that Xbox One meets your high expectations .

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

The point is there is no difference between the two of them apart from Microsoft's claims of cloud computation boosting the new Xbox's hardware capabilities, which is accepted as nonsense industry wide.

Perhaps you can explain how it works, or more importantly, what happens when your connection takes a sudden dip? Does the frame rate struggle, does it drop to 720 or does it perhaps temporarily revert to black and white? Cloud computation is nonsense and likely always will be. By the time the infrastructure catches up, the expectations will be 10 times greater than they are now.

Streaming games face frame rate issues and controller input latency. Expecting "cloud computing" to make any meaningful addition to performance faces even more fundamental problems.

And I'm not a plumber.

I don't see one single thing wrong with this post and find it very informative,you don't like it Bert because its an opinion that differs from your own.

Wasn't you one of the very people that originally condemned Microsoft and now in your eyes they can not do anything wrong.

Just because that's the most ignorant post in this thread , even more ignorent than the one where you retorted to being the spelling and grammer police or where you say I'm greedy for making profit from Sony fanboys . yeah I love brand loyalty's, such a easy hit for a fast buc

Oh you buy a Playstation 4 and your a Fanboy.......Is that how it works........Guess that Makes you a Xbox messiah then.

First off I don't like you , you try and put people down spell checking them to show your supposed superiority , its not a redeeming feature .

Not really an Adult thing to say and I'm sure nelster won't be loosing any sleep either,why you have chosen to be so defensive regarding Microsoft and there infrastructure is anyone guess,unless you have all of a sudden been offered a Public relations job to put right everything they have so far done wrong.

You use the term Fanboy which quite frankly Bert is ridiculous as many people have all the consoles and for the past 5 years my preference has always been the Xbox for like you say it had a better online service,but remember why it had a better online service.........You had to pay for it and Sonys was FREE .

I also think that Trance,Myself and nelster would be all for Microsoft blowing us all away with there cloud gaming because like i have already said it benefits us the people that buy the consoles.

You have got ultra defensive when anyone has put other ideas and examples to you about the pros and cons of cloud gaming,as for you making a profit regarding selling your pre/orderded Playstation 4 well thats all fine and dandy because its a good job its a Playstation 4 you will be selling because you wont make a single dime profit on that Xbox One thats for sure if you were thinking of selling that.

You can easily pick up a Xbox one for launch but you going to have to search high and low to find a Playstation 4,don't that tell you something bert.

Yes your right I should chill out , in fact every one should chill out

Not forgetting I do still have a PS4 on pre order and could change my mind about selling it . still think it will just be to much money to not sell .

No you walked into this thread and called me "no better than a ticket tout and greedy" so don't try the "I'm the victim " and grow some your self .

Thats was just a little bit of humorous banter that for some reason has offended you and its now getting blown out of all proportions which quite frankly is silly and very very childish.

Ive had my rants and disagreements on here but if you come on here extracting the Urine then expect a little back and i get plenty of jibes and comments and for the past 3/4 years there are not many posts by mrnelster or myself not taking the Mickey out of each other.

So lets all get on Bert and I'm sure you have really got offended when mrnelster was only bringing a little bit of humour to the thread,personally i think he is one of the funniest posters on here and his wit and humour is well liked on these gaming forums by quite a few of us especially myself.

Im sure if you read through the threads again you will see it from a different perspective and at no time did he mean to be rude and offensive like you suggest,because i think i know him slightly better than you and if he was to be rude and offensive the post would all most certainly been deleted .

In reply to a post by woweebert:

Yes your right I should chill out , in fact every one should chill out

Not forgetting I do still have a PS4 on pre order and could change my mind about selling it . still think it will just be to much money to not sell .

Mate there is nothing wrong with making a profit and selling your playstation 4,nobody is putting you down for that Bert,mrnelster comments was his way of injecting some humour into the thread,and if that upset you thank god your not me and the jibes and jokes he aims at myself.

Listen you raise some very interesting things regarding Microsoft and Cloud Gaming even to the extent of making me have second opinions about picking one up .......Yeah Serious.

You see mate i class myself as a very serious gamer,the type of person that owns all the consoles and spends hundreds if not thousands each year on games and accessories.

In my opinion each has there own strengths and weakness,i mean how can i play Gears Horde mode if i don't have a Xbox,how can i play games like uncharted if i don't own a Playstation.

Problem i have with Microsoft and Xbox one is there original vision which i have repeated myself on several occasions,i tend to think i have become a little bit wiser as i have got older [watch Mrnelster comments on the older] and this generation at present i don't feel the need or the urge to own both at the moment.

If Epic Release a Blow your socks of Gears game with Horde mode or a totally mind blowing new IP I'm in,and within days the VCR .....Sorry Xbox One will be sitting side by side with my Playstation 4.

Besides you i think that only Jaxx is getting a Xbox One but he's on medication and only allowed out weekends .......Thats a Joke by the way................


He is not allowed out at all because he is in a padded cell after ordering a Xbox one

I have pre ordered another PS4 a couple of weeks ago from blockbuster in town . to be told it might not be till after Christmas , which would make PS4 very profitable and desirable .

But could also mess up the sales figures , as in can't get a PS4 but lots of xbones in stock . what you going to get little Timmy for Christmas? ( lump of coal )

I still have a George formun grill under my telly and really enjoyed playing " The Last of us " on it .

So I'm the same and will own both consoles just can't help myself when there is such easy money to be had .

I'm going to grow a pair and apologise , I know I'm over reacting and I'm sorry for that .
Guess I'm just so hyped to have two next gen console coming out so close to each other .

Anyway Sorry

No need to apologise. It's all cool.

But I do want you to take the reference material on board. If you want an Xbox One because you prefer the games (I would love to be able to play TitanFall) or if you prefer the controller through experience, that's fine. Nobody here will tell you otherwise. And if it's because you don't think there will be any significant difference between the two consoles other than perhaps on some first party studio titles, then you are probably right, especially in the short term

But people here are cautiously offering reference material to try to cut through the cloud computing hype, and to be honest the evidence doesn't stack up. If it does, we will all be winners eventually, but "eventually" is the key word there. By then I expect video compression and decoding techniques will make cloud computation for gaming purposes obsolete anyway. When we can all manage a consistent 20Mbps, game streaming companies will hopefully be running machines so powerful as to make consoles themselves obsolete.

My advice? Whatever you buy, buy it for the games. My first "adult" console was the Sega Saturn. I did eventually buy a PS1 to play TOCA Touring Cars and Destruction Derby (all before I truly discovered FPS games of course ), but I never regretted buying the Saturn because all I wanted to play at the time was SEGA Rally.

And all the "3D graphics accelerator chips" in the world weren't going to make me buy a PS1 instead!

In reply to a post by woweebert:

I'm going to grow a pair and apologise , I know I'm over reacting and I'm sorry for that .
Guess I'm just so hyped to have two next gen console coming out so close to each other .

Anyway Sorry

Not even any Kisses xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

So why not explain how it works Einstein, or else grow a pair and retract your twaddle?

Why is twaddle not on the censored word list????

I agree that 'eventually' is the key word, it looks likely that cloud/streaming of games will be the future model (like it or not) with us all paying a monthly subscription. I don't think it's going to be a big deal for a few years yet, I mean we are just about to get brand new hardware which alone will make a huge difference to games once developers get to grips with it.

Well I think the best thing to do is to give developers the option to choose what is best for the games they are creating, after all no one knows better than them. So there's nothing wrong with Sony saying 'cloud computing is available if you want it'.

Microsoft could well end up having a better network of servers and cloud/streaming service but we won't know until it happens. How can you possibly know what network Sony has or what they can afford?

Edited by astateoftrance (Sun 20-Oct-13 20:43:52)

Well I think we have just about exhausted this thread to be honest....just 6 weeks away from the next generation ,shame the games for it are dropping like flies ...

Actually when I seriously think about it ,if Killzone Shadowfall had been delayed would there be any point buying a Playstation 4 at Launch,there are some great downloadable games out on the p4 store for free but the actual launch games are looking a little thin on the ground if you ask me,thank heavens it's that time of the year when we have another Cod and Battlefield game out to make up the numbers....and believe me that's all they are likely to do....Suppose Creed will appeal to quite a few ,not exactly what I like but I may invest because of the general shortage of quality titles .

Tesco are doing a nice Playstation 4 promotion / offer ...buy a tin of Roses and get KNACK free.....

On a personal level and given the upgrade of both the new consoles I don't think Cloud is even needed like you say for the next few years.

Having read about cloud computing my concern is it'll just be a way for MS and Sony to mine 'big data' so they can make more money out of us through advertising.

There are potential good uses for cloud computing though, even in the corporate world, that could benefit the end user (beyond 'streaming' when broadband infrastructure catches up). Understanding how players play games could be of real benefit to devs and help to improve them: control input and suchlike.

Also, educationally: there's got to be useful info from social and psychological studies but the issue of privacy is very important of course. MS and Sony could easily be accused of spying on their gamers in even more insidious ways than having access to in-home mics and cameras. Big Brother made real perhaps?

Actually, given today's climate of NSA scandal (with America basically spying on the whole world and collecting all sorts of data from just about anybody and everybody), it looks like gamers are gonna be lambs to the slaughter as far as data collection (and potential privacy issues) is concerned.

Still, no point in worrying about it all. Might as well just learn to live with it in my view. I'm gonna carry on masturbating in my living room and pulling moonies just for the hell of it and I don't even own a PS4 or XBO. There, that'll confuse em.

Still, no point in worrying about it all. Might as well just learn to live with it in my view. I'm gonna carry on masturbating in my living room and pulling moonies just for the hell of it and I don't even own a PS4 or XBO. There, that'll confuse em.

Prefer the bus Myself