Windows Live Query??

Is there anyway that I can configure an Account to permit an Automatic BCC?

Basically I want to configure an account to automatically copy it to a back-up account without the recipient being aware that there is a copy!

TIA!
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NB this is a fairly simple option in Email Clients, such as Thunderbird, but I can not find it in "Live"

Is this for monitoring the e-mails, or backing up the data?

In reply to a post by camieabz:

Is this for monitoring the e-mails, or backing up the data?

Monitoring the emails across a number of PCs.

In reply to a post by johnjburness:

Basically I want to configure an account to automatically copy it to a back-up account without the recipient being aware that there is a copy!

If this is in a business beware of the legality of this.

Monitoring emails without the recipient's consent is a criminal act under the Interception of Communications Act 1985. And if the recipient consents then he already knows that you are copying the emails.

Edit: The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 is probably the applicable act nowadays.

Edited by deleted (Wed 09-Mar-11 08:57:03)

I'm not sure that the legality aspect only applies in a business environment. I think that covert monitoring of emails is a very suspect legal area whether done in the workplace or privately.

In reply to a post by AEP:

Monitoring emails without the recipient's consent is a criminal act under the Interception of Communications Act 1985. And if the recipient consents then he already knows that you are copying the emails.

Edit: The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 is probably the applicable act nowadays.

But do the people who are being monitored know this??

Legalities aside, I suspect that you will need to install a plugin to do this (unless Live Mail supports VBA, meaning a fairly simple macro could do it)..

If the OP is the sender of the emails in question what is the problem?

If OP is the sender then I agree. But that's not the way that I read the query. If he just wants to keep copies of emails that he sends there are easy ways to do so.

Apologies to the OP if I misunderstood your question.

http://msgroups.net/microsoft.public.outlook.general...

What's that got to do with Windows Live mail?

In reply to a post by AEP:

What's that got to do with Windows Live mail?

You are not the OP

I'm an interested bystander.

In reply to a post by AEP:

I'm an interested bystander.

You have only posted problems not solutions in this thread. Bystander is not the correct word in this case.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

http://msgroups.net/microsoft.public.outlook.general...

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/freechat/t/3976611-...

No-one has posted a solution. I have posted advice to help the OP aviod problems.

But, as your contribution regarding Outlook is, although totally irrelevant, no doubt more helpful than my comments warning about possible legal issues I'll leave you all to it.

Does that include employees using employer's equipment? Most companies state that they should not be for personal use. As such, they are open to investigation as they are company property.

Basically data-based CCTV. Nothing wrong with that if there's a reason to suspect that a crime is being committed.

Regardless, he's not asking for legal advice. That's another problem entirely.



John:

Can you configure it to 'leave a copy on the server', then just configure another account to access the server a couple of minutes after the user? Might have to think about how long is too long. You wouldn't want new mail hitting the server, and being taken straight to the second account.

In reply to a post by AEP:

No-one has posted a solution. I have posted advice to help the OP aviod problems.

But, as your contribution regarding Outlook is, although totally irrelevant, no doubt more helpful than my comments warning about possible legal issues I'll leave you all to it.

Nobody will be able to post a solution as long as you keep sending the discussion off-topic.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Nobody will be able to post a solution as long as you keep sending the discussion off-topic.

When someone has a question about Windows Live Mail and someone else posts a link to an Outlook solution, I think that can reasonably be described as going off-topic...

Even when using company equipment there should be a written agreement if any form of monitoring of employees is to be used (including CCTV). There is provision for monitoring to be done if a crime is reasonably suspected and certain other conditions are met, but regular monitoring is another matter.

I realize that the OP was not seeking legal advice (and I am only giving my opinion here) but I don't think that is necessarily reason to withhold such opinions. If someone asked me the best way to wire their front door to the mains to deter burglars I think it would be acceptable to warn of potential problems of such a course of action other than just blown fuses.

But as I seem to be getting into trouble left, right and centre for not giving direct advice on how to implement this (possibly illegal) course of action I'll give this thread a miss from now on.

In reply to a post by billford:

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Nobody will be able to post a solution as long as you keep sending the discussion off-topic.

When someone has a question about Windows Live Mail and someone else posts a link to an Outlook solution, I think that can reasonably be described as going off-topic...

Is that what your link to Freak Chat was meant to convey?

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Is that what your link to Freak Chat was meant to convey?

No, I offered it as a celebration of the upcoming Royal wedding... doh

This is quite amusing. Not only do I find myself moderating discussions, but also the "mods"

Has anyone considered the possibility that Batboy and AEP are the same person?

http://www.nektra.com/products/wlmailapi-windows-liv...

eta; http://www.oeapi.com/windows-live-mail-api
eta2: paydirt; http://www.oeapi.com/site/docs/ILkAddressList.html

Edited by deleted (Wed 09-Mar-11 12:18:33)

When it comes to sock-puppetry on here I have other users in the frame.

In reply to a post by AEP:

I'm not sure that the legality aspect only applies in a business environment. I think that covert monitoring of emails is a very suspect legal area whether done in the workplace or privately.

I simply want a "Sent-Copy" that I can retain across a number of PCs. Basically I set it up to send to another of my email addresses that I do NOT make public. Once received back (as an in-coming Msg to an alternative a/c) it gets automatically transferred to my Sent Box (NB I do NOT save on outgoing sending).

However, this also means that ANY PC that I'm using can also receive a copy &, hence, this ensures that all of my Sent-Mail is available on all my PCs (a simple way of synchronising).

I obviously do NOT want this "hidden" email to be publicly available to avoid it becoming an alternative inbox!!

I have used this system for many years, using Thunderbird, but now my wife wants to be able to use both the main Home-PC plus her recently acquired Lap-Top - unfortunately, she is used to Windows Live & doesn't want to convert to Thunderbird!

Simples, really - no hidden agenda or conspiracy involved!!

In reply to a post by AEP:

Monitoring emails without the recipient's consent is a criminal act under the Interception of Communications Act 1985. And if the recipient consents then he already knows that you are copying the emails.

Edit: The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 is probably the applicable act nowadays.

Are you suggesting that you are NOT entitled to save a copy of an out-going message without asking the recipient in advance??

If so, I would suggest that EVERY Email Client is illegal as the default setting is to automatically save a copy (in the Sent Folder) WITHOUT the specific agreement of the Recipient!!

In reply to a post by johnjburness:

Are you suggesting that you are NOT entitled to save a copy of an out-going message without asking the recipient in advance??

If so, I would suggest that EVERY Email Client is illegal as the default setting is to automatically save a copy (in the Sent Folder) WITHOUT the specific agreement of the Recipient!!

I suspect that is a typo, really.. AEP probably thought you were monitoring other people's (in your house/business) email without their knowledge, as opposed to what you explained in your other post..

Apologies for misunderstanding your original query.

Can you not just use IMAP to maintain a synchronized copy of all your mail, sent and received, across all mail clients?

I have but I discounted it.

A misuderstanding of your OP. Again apologies. But, as I mentioned elsewhere, IMAP lets you do this without any complications.

I think it's a distinct possibility.

Someone suggested an email template on the desktop http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t468395-perman...

It's a very common question, but I haven't seen a free way yet http://en.allexperts.com/q/Email-3244/2008/7/Outlook...

There is a very expensive plug-in available http://email.about.com/od/outlookaddons/gr/auto_bcc_...

Haha, $30?? It would be about 10 lines of code.

In reply to a post by AEP:

A misuderstanding of your OP. Again apologies. But, as I mentioned elsewhere, IMAP lets you do this without any complications.

I'm glad it was a misunderstanding - I was beginning to think that the Thought Police were going to descend on me in droves!!!

To be honest, I don't understand IMAP!!

I've heard of it, but whenever I've tried to investigate it, I've been lost by the Jargon!

Basically the method that I've proposed I've used for years, & it works very well (using Thunderbird) - just can't figure out to configure Windows Live!!

However, if you can point me to something sensible so that I can configure something under IMAP, then that would be excellent!!

Wikipedia has a reasonably simple explanation if you ignore the RFC links.

As long as your mail provider provides IMAP access.

and you configure it for storing "sent" emails

In reply to a post by Spasch:

Wikipedia has a reasonably simple explanation if you ignore the RFC links.

Hi, many thanks for the link.

It appears to be a good "generalised" description, without providing any specific detail!!


I've gone into Windows Live Help & that is even less useful!!!

Obviously, I'm loathed to go in & "muck-about" with my existing settings in case I end up losing all of my existing emails!!

Did you investigate:

In reply to a post by camieabz:

John:

Can you configure it to 'leave a copy on the server', then just configure another account to access the server a couple of minutes after the user? Might have to think about how long is too long. You wouldn't want new mail hitting the server, and being taken straight to the second account.

In reply to a post by camieabz:

Did you investigate:

In reply to a post by camieabz:

John:

Can you configure it to 'leave a copy on the server', then just configure another account to access the server a couple of minutes after the user? Might have to think about how long is too long. You wouldn't want new mail hitting the server, and being taken straight to the second account.

Sorry, the discussion got diverted onto IMAP, rather than my original request.

However to clarify what I do on my own account (using Thunderbird):-

a) Set up a totally separate, but hidden Email A/c (e.g. [email protected])

b) Set up TB to automatically create a bcc using the Copy-Sent address.

c) Set up TB NOT to save sent messages.

d) Set up a script so that any received Copy-Sent Messages are transferred to the SENT-Box.

e) Configure TB to leave messages (both "normal" & Copy-Sent accounts) on the Server for upto to 30 days.

Providing that I use every one of my PCs within a 30 day period (chosen to cover holidays etc), then automatically I receive a copy of every incoming Emails to EACH PC/Lappy - but I also receive a copy of EACH outgoing email into EACH Sent-Box.

As you can see the Key requirement is to be able to set up the automatic bcc - which is easy in TB, but unable to do it within Win-Live!


Notes:-
1) the reason why it needs to be a bcc is to prevent it becoming "known" &, hence, prevent my SENT-Box from receiving spam or Reply-All responses, etc.

2) The time duration held on the Server is a compromise to not over-loading the Server but, equally, allowing sufficient time to cover things such as holidays.

3) The above address example is not a valid address (obviously).

In reply to a post by johnjburness:

a) Set up a totally separate, but hidden Email A/c (e.g. [email protected])

How do you mean "hidden" ? Any email addy only used as BCC: and never used elsewhere is always hidden from others, except itself. Presume you mean private and undisclosed.

There is no way to auto generate a BCC: in Outlook Express, so I'd expect WLM is the same.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

There is no way to auto generate a BCC: in Outlook Express, so I'd expect WLM is the same.

Yes there is http://ajsystems.com/oequicktools/qtorder.html

Automatic BCC Tool (non-visible tool)

* The Auto BCC Tool will add a B.C.C. address to all outgoing mail messages. This is often used for mail audit purposes.
* There is no other way to automatically add a BCC to mail in Outlook Express.

Nice! I did mean within OE itself, not paying for an add-on.

It would have meet OP's requirements, if there was also a WLM version.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Nice! I did mean within OE itself, not paying for an add-on.

It would have meet OP's requirements, if there was also a WLM version.

I've already posted a link to that.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Nice! I did mean within OE itself, not paying for an add-on.

It would have meet OP's requirements, if there was also a WLM version.

I've already posted a link to that.

???

A link to a WLM add-on? Sorry, I missed that! I've only noticed your links to OE & Outlook add-ons!

http://www.ablebits.com/outlook-express-bcc-plugin/i...

ok, maybe this doesn't work with windows live mail.... if that's different to windows mail

Edited by deleted (Thu 10-Mar-11 15:34:48)

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

http://www.ablebits.com/outlook-express-bcc-plugin/i...

ok, maybe this doesn't work with windows live mail.... if that's different to windows mail

Ta!

I've sent them off a request asking if it will work with WLM!!

A couple of suggestions -

This works with Windows Mail (Vista only?) - maybe try with Windows Live Mail?

Auto BCC for Outlook Express & Windows Mail

Windows Live Mail 2011 (only for Windows Vista & 7) seems to have a sync facility.

Edited by Nick_Russell (Thu 10-Mar-11 17:10:32)

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

http://www.ablebits.com/outlook-express-bcc-plugin/i...

ok, maybe this doesn't work with windows live mail.... if that's different to windows mail

Have had a response back from the Company - it doesn't work with Windows Live!

That's bad news. Why do Microsoft have so many versions of mail clients?

A lot of people have been asking for this feature, even my iPhone has the option.