So I sold my Xbox One!!

But replaced it with this -

Silverstone ft03 mini case
Intel i5 4690k
8gb crucial balistix memory
Msi 787i mini itx motherboard
Msi nvidia 760ti compact
Corsair h60 watercooler
128gb sandisk ssd
500gb sata hdd
450w silverstone sfx 80 plus power supply

Edited by jorkila (Sun 21-Jun-15 10:39:43)

Oi! Listen to me East17....that there is a poundland hair dryer build.

My R9 285 OC compact is gonna give me a proper perm.

I''l give you that one mate, the 285 compact is a better card and is supposed to run cooler too!!

To be fair though this 760 hits mid 70's overclocked under load so not too sad

Worth about £29.99 And i5 you serious

You be buying a Xbox One again as soon as the new Tomb Raider ships and a fair few others that may come to the world of PC gaming and may not ?.

Microsoft will bring many of the console games to PC for sure but not without delays in that platform.

Saying that though Killa I'm not surprised why you have sold your Xbox One doesn't do anything machine and i fully understand your frustration as i feel the same hence going back and getting a 360 and all the Gear Games which over the last 2 nights i have had more online fun than the past 2 years.

ok for 1080p gaming with textures turned down to save vram, good swap.

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

Oi! Listen to me East17....that there is a poundland hair dryer build.

My R9 285 OC compact is gonna give me a proper perm.

Hows that when you are a total Baldy

You know what they say about bald men....

Too be far mate, there's nowt in between the two at all unless the game supports mantle, which is pretty limited right now anyway. There's only a frame or two either way. I'm building so I get to choose, but I would have made the same swap if it had come my way. Jammy git.

The system itself also over clocks like a dream!!

Run's P Cars at high to ultra settings with a very acceptable frame rate and full grid of cars so I'm more than happy so far!!

Worth about £29.99 wink And i5 you serious

I know you're only messing, but as a point of interest for whoever cares, that i5 4690k is a seriously good cpu for gaming. You don't need anything better. Spend it on the GPU.

You could likely get good enough performance on most games from an 80 quid chip, but you'd have to suffer lower efficiency and elevated temps. I'm still pondering whether to go for the 4690k or the 8370E. Not a lot more costly for the i5, but it is only superior on single core performance.

Decisions, descisions!

In reply to a post by jorkila:

The system itself also over clocks like a dream!!

Run's P Cars at high to ultra settings with a very acceptable frame rate and full grid of cars so I'm more than happy so far!!

I doubt you've had to turn the textures down then?

Who said I'm messing this Macbook notebook has a i7 and 16 gig of ram with dedicated graphic card and I still want more

The iMac upstairs is about 4 years old and that has a i5 ,i upgraded the pathetic 4 gig of ram to 16 but with all the junk on it it takes 2 minutes to boot

This Macbook takes 10 seconds.

I sometimes consider a Gaming Rig but to be honest i know i will become a virtual office geek or completely waste my money having got older Not wiser i just don't recon i would get into it.

I do think about it a lot ,especially when there are very few game releases,Batman is on its way and i have my online fix in Gears so that tides me over until Fallout 4 and all the rest I've ordered

Yeah Small Willies

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

Too be far mate, there's nowt in between the two at all unless the game supports mantle, which is pretty limited right now anyway. There's only a frame or two either way. I'm building so I get to choose, but I would have made the same swap if it had come my way. Jammy git.

You been to Toys R Us then and bought a Lego set

Geek

Just out of interest and you 2 traitors and PC gaming i done a search for ultimate Gaming PC or decent gaming PC and was bombarded with all sorts of stuff from Alien ware,mesh ,Scan computers .

Completely over my head,i wouldn't know where to start ,probably more and likely end up with a 3DX System from scan,a company i tore to threads quite a few years ago after buying one and finding it completely useless 12 months down the line and couldn't even cope with a ageing Crisis and it had all the twin top end graphic cards at the time and enough ram.

It became slower and slower and i couldn't wait to dump it.

I would have to ask yourself and Crysalis and that other traitor Jorkila for advice if i was to become a deserter like you lot..

I don't need bleeding edge for my 1080 telly, so my £750 build will be awesome visually.

You'll need something a little more top end if you want to run it all guns blazing on your 4k TV. Getting that to fit into a small mITX case and still be quiet, might be difficult. Try sites like ChillBlast. They are meant be reliable for building to your chosen spec.

If you don't have the urge, don't do it. I'm more than happy with my ps4, but I have a very specific purpose for my build, a triple screen set up. Or, if I choose VR instead of three screens, the PC will offer the higher frame rates that make VR that much more immersive.

And before you start, VR is going to be awesome. So there....

Crysis was and still is a beast of a game mate in fact it's still used to benchmark systems today!

As in Virtual Reality Epic Fail Look back at this post and see.

Nobody is going to buy into this way of gaming,especially when you here some of the prices been touted at.

Like £399 for the Sony Kit .......Dream On

And thats why they want as much 3rd party support as possible,because Sony are not confident enough in there own product.

Just like the Move,Kinnect,Playstation eye,and the under supported Playstation Vita its going to get buried in the desert like the Atari Jaguar.

Nintendo made a fortune when they became the first with there motion controlled gaming and Nintendo Wii,now look at the state of the Nintendo Wii U and absolutely zero sales and 3rd party developers nowhere to be seen.

Its going to fail mate,its going to cause huge problems medically,there is going to be people suffering from all sorts of headaches and eye strain and thats just for starters........Law suits will be plenty and this Gimmick will quickly be long forgotten.

Yeah Chill Blast Fusion PCs .

In reply to a post by time2die:

Yeah Chill Blast Fusion PCs .

Very nice pc with a mini GTX970 on board. You don't like the look or?

Sounds awesome jorkila, did you build it yourself or get it prebuilt? reading all those specs gets me itching to build a PC, done 3 for myself before but last one was 2009 so getting dated. love the process of it all. opening a box full of components is like being a kid at xmas

Think you are right about VR, really don't see it taking off either. Would be interesting to try or to use occasionally but don't see it as the default way to game. I want to be immersed in a game but not that immersed.

I gave someone my xbox and cash for it as it is mate, I have had it apart though after finding a screw obstructing the gpu fan

As in Virtual Reality smile Epic Fail crazy Look back at this post and see.

Nobody is going to buy into this way of gaming,especially when you here some of the prices been touted at.

The worlds a big place mate, you need to start thinking outside of the box (or that sheltered housing complex more like, you old fuddy fuddy )

In all seriousness though, I was reading yesterday (though I can't remember where for the life of me) that the Occulus Rift had already sold 150,000 "dev kits" I think they called them. The engineering applications for workable VR are endless, and when that starts to filter down into lower pricing, you may just need one less hat peg mister!

In reply to a post by jorkila:

I gave someone my xbox and cash for it as it is mate, I have had it apart though after finding a screw obstructing the gpu fan

Luckily, that cant happen in my build.

If there are any screws I can't find a hole for, then it's straight in the bin. The Dr. Pepper approach I call it.

Great Start,what else is going to happen

Don't give him my phone number if i want some building work done on the house for [censored] sake .

You and me both,we are not suited to that way of gaming never mind how realistic it may look one day.

Look at all the implications associated with it,like having that plastic contraption strapped to your head and the movement of your arms and body just like the Wii that everybody apart from kids quickly became bored of.

Its going to cause serious medical implications ,believe me,and people with other than 20/20 vision its just not suited,Nelly Magoo got no chance .

You can not physically chill out and use a Virtual Reality headset without a lot of body movement and to be honest most of this will have to be standing up��I just don't get it ?

In reply to a post by astateoftrance:

Think you are right about VR, really don't see it taking off either. Would be interesting to try or to use occasionally but don't see it as the default way to game. I want to be immersed in a game but not that immersed.

Im always right Trance��Welcome back where you been hiding

Looked at loads mate,but what would i do with this iMac ,To expensive this kit just to cast it to one side and then a month later find I'm not that interested after all in PC gaming .

Think a Steam Machine is where I'm at if I'm honest,and i might not be totally convinced at those until we get closer to a release date.

Certainly not interested in the 3D and Virtual Reality [censored],i say it now and i will say it again,i will never ever purchase that equipment,even if the games look mind-blowing .

I agree with a lot of what you say, but I have a defined use for it. I certainly wouldn't want to play fighting, shooting or adventure games with it. Nor platformers etc. In fact their only really seems to be one perfect application for it gaming wise.

And other than for those who intend to be driving or flying standing up, it will be a watershed moment I think.

Yeah may be not driving and flying but a lot of these games are going to require some sort of body movement .

Ah nice one mate good thing you found that screw

Cheers mate just not had the enthusiasm for gaming recently, only been playing MInecraft/LBP and a few other games with my daughter, haven't played any game of my own for ages.

Deus Ex should be the game to get me back into it all but that's not out til early next year.. anyone else interested in it? not seen anyone mention it.

Think I read something about uncharted trilogy remake so that could be a good one as I have only played the second one.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to be wandering around the room with an eye mask on and nunchucks! But then the Wii was never my bag either, other than spending Christmas day bowling with the kids.

Plenty to get excited about,the new Xbox Timed Exclusive Tomb Raider,Fallout 4 has me buzzing along with Rainbow Six and its multiplayer and team play and a fair few others but all around winter time.

Not totally blown away by the Deus Ex games and i tend to concentrate on whats out this year and not next as that seems like many months away.

Uncharted 4 looks mind-blowing but its another in a long list of games put back until 2015.

Oh and Just Cause 3 has me seriously excited.

In reply to a post by time2die:

Uncharted 4 looks mind-blowing but its another in a long list of games put back until 2015.

Or 2016?

Dont time fly Oops yeah Timey error 2016.

In reply to a post by jorkila:

But replaced it with this -

Silverstone ft03 mini case
Intel i5 4690k
8gb crucial balistix memory
Msi 787i mini itx motherboard
Msi nvidia 760ti compact
Corsair h60 watercooler
128gb sandisk ssd
500gb sata hdd
450w silverstone sfx 80 plus power supply

So I put my money where my mouth is. I just know I'm gonna live to regret this:

Fractal Design Node 304 mITX Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, Fan Control

INTEL(R) Core� i5-4690K Quad Core 3.50 GHz 6MB Cache LGA1150 + HD Graphics *** Extreme OC ***

8GB (2x4GB) DDR3/2133mhz Dual Channel Memory (HyperX Savage w/Heat Spreader)

Gigabyte GA-Z97N-WIFI INTEL Z97 chipset DDR3 mini-ITX motherboard

AMD Radeon R9 380 4GB 16X PCIe Video Card

Corsair 600 Watts CX600 Gaming Power Supply, 80+

Corsair Hydro Series H55 Quiet Liquid Cooling system w/ 120mm Radiator

2TB Seagate Hybrid Gen3 SATA-III 6.0Gb/s Cache 5400RPM SSHD

Warranty: 3 Year Labour, 2 Year Parts, 1 Month Collect and Return plus Life-Time Technical Support

Very nice, will be interesting to see how good the 380 is

Yeah the last Tomb raider was great so that definitely excites me, shame it's a timed exclusive but at least it will get to PS4 eventually. So seems winter and next year will bring plenty of good games, about time as not been much to get me interested in upgrading yet.

Very nice

And the cost if you don't mind us asking ?

Do you have all the parts you listed or is this in the Pipeline

Yeah these timed exclusives are just annoying and seem to bring out the fan boys even more and they just mock each other with what the other has, While the ones that don't have it claim they don't want it etc.

Take COD for instance, Up until the new COD comes out M$ had the DLC a month before $ony, The $ony fanboys say they don't want it with the M$ fanboys saying it's great etc, Now that $ony are getting it suddenly the roles are reversed and the M$ kids don't care about getting the DLC early and the $ony ones are saying it's great etc.
Having it happen for a game is just annoying, Luckily for me in this instance it works out for me but it could easily have been the other way round which would of been annoying.

And i personally don't care who gets the Cod Content first because for the first time in a long time I'm not been suckered in to buying Cod This year.

Far as I'm concerned the Franchise is dead and buried,even though Treyarch have gone from last to first as Cod Developers and leaped over the now all but finished Infinity Ward and Sledgehammer Games.

I watched Black Ops 3 and i thought to myself,is this where we are going here, same old boring looking engine with nicked stuff from Titanfall.

In reply to a post by time2die:

And the cost if you don't mind us asking ?

Do you have all the parts you listed or is this in the Pipeline

The clue is the warranty at the end. I have every single part, nut, bolt and screw.....being put together for me by CyberPower!

I'm more the capable of putting it together myself, but time limitations, Kila finding a screw rattling around in his GPU fan, and the paranoia that one of the kids would touch something in the middle of the build and knacker the motherboard etc., made me decide not to risk it!

As I said, I have a defined use for it and may never need to upgrade a part or build a new one in the future. Depends whether this PC bug consumes me or not! I will however be stripping down my old Dell and seeing how it all goes together, the minute everything is transferred over.

Most likely with a hammer though.

And don't get confused mate. This is MY OWN Steam Machine. Should desirable games start arriving there. I will simply dual boot as required.

Of course I don't mind telling you!

The cost eventually came to £753-00 (here comes the bad bit) + VAT to make a grand total of £904-00.

Here comes the good bit, I can claim all the VAT back as it's a work machine too.

To be fair, I wanted to buy their Vapour console style case. A big part of my build remit was to keep it discrete. I loved the Node 304 case idea from the beginning and after flip flopping between a few options and getting Kila's thoughts on everything, I opted for my original choice.

On purchase I asked Alan at Cyber Power (top geezer is Alan) for his opinion, as there was no CPU water cooling option and fewer fans in the Vapour Extreme (it costs about a grand). Now, I have bought faster memory because Kila was experimenting with overclocking his RAM after owning it for approximately 17 minutes, LOL!, and also followed his choice of CPU, though mainly because the AMD FX chip wasn't the best choice for a micro case build, unless I bought the latest low energy version of the FX8370E. And that didn't save me more than 20 quid anyway.

So, even though they sell the Vapour Extreme for 1100 quid with a GTX980 in it, he (top geezer Alan) thought that my desire for small AND quiet-ish, made the Node more suitable. His reasoning being the unlocked i5 4690k and faster RAM aimed specifically at overclocking (even though I don't really intend to bother with it) meant the water cooler was the better option. Shame because that Vapour Extreme would have sat lovely under the TV next to my PS4!

So effectively he under sold me which is cool. Also, as I said, I wanted discrete. So I asked him if they could leave all the CyberSteam badges off of the case and that wasn't a problem either. So all in all, after pricing it as cheaply as possible through Amazon, I reckon the premium for having it built for me is around 150-160 quid. I can live with that.

I can always play with the overclocking later if it takes me to do so (like Kila )

And as well as the free Intel game pack it came with (5 in total I think) he also chucked in Dirt Rally instead of Batman, as it wasn't available free with the configuration I had chosen.

Did I mention that Alan was a top geezer?

Edited by mrnelster (Wed 24-Jun-15 07:30:09)

In reply to a post by jorkila:

Very nice, will be interesting to see how good the 380 is

After seeing your card on Ultra I'd be more than happy if it matches that!
It's future proofing really as it's cost me less for the 380 than the 285 was going to cost. So it's a free upgrade to full DX 12 compatibility if you like.

Plus AMD worked on Dirt Rally in house, so I shouldnt have too much in the way of driver disaster.

Cheers Bud��Top Geezer Alan

You lost me at the second paragraph listing your parts�

Looking at the price though Nelly,seems that just gets me the Graphic Card

Boys and there Toys

When you say Duel Boot do you mean putting both Boots on at the same time or what

Just for you Trance

Looks great but wouldn't want to live in a future like that

Never fear Swanny you can pick it up in about 3 years when its a suitable bargain price and I'm on a Playstation 5

I bet there's never a PS5

As soon as Nintendo announce there new Codenamed NX console at E3 next year 2016 there will be a new Sony Console and Xbox guaranteed.

As long as Nintendo announce a grown up console with 3rd party support banging the door down,anything else and Microsoft and Sony won't give a [censored] .

But a really powerful new Nintendo Device/Console that outshines both of there present units will force there hand.

And remember once the mighty Nintendo had virtually global domination until Sony came on the scene and then Microsoft.

But given Nintendo and there complete of of touch with gamers and reality i doubt very much they come up with a console that doesn't resemble another kiddie Toy box with the same old and tired games like,Mario,Yoshi and the rest of the crew that have only just kept Nintendo head just above water.

Without there 3DS they would be in serious trouble,the Nintendo WII U has been a disaster,even worse than the Dreamcast i would say.

Most Gamers are of the adult age and want powerful looking impressive games,not childish games that Nintendo think we want ?

Don't get me wrong,when they make games like Zelda and Metroid they are generally fantastic,but they are far to few and far between and they still living of there Gimmick that was the Nintendo Wii that nobody even cares about anymore.

It would be stupidity of the highest order if both Sony and Microsoft didn't reply to something Nintendo had coming to market,especially if it did blow the socks of both them units.........And no i don't see this happening.

Edited by time2die (Wed 24-Jun-15 20:11:11)

In reply to a post by time2die:

Cheers Bud��Top Geezer Alan

You lost me at the second paragraph listing your parts�

Looking at the price though Nelly,seems that just gets me the Graphic Card

More like you couldn't be arsed to read it you lazy git!

Listen. Anybody other than an out and out enthusiast would be stupid to buy higher than a GTX 970 in my opinion. You just wouldn't notice much in the way of gains. The 380 I've bought is the sweet spot for the majority of gamers. The GTX960 4GB is it much more expensive. Under 200 quid for cards that were high end a year or so ago. That's why it's so important to get your new (or refreshed) hardware out at the right time. Most gamers will renew their card every two to three years maybe. If AMD don't cut the mustard with this 300 series, then those guys who have been waiting to renew their AMD cards, may go with NVIDIA instead. They can't then be won back for another two to three years!

The muppets who buy Titans at six and seven hundred quid are not bank rolling the manufacturers so much as the mid rangers. Not that I'm calling you a high end muppet you understand.

In reply to a post by Lt_Swan:

I bet there's never a PS5

I reckon there will be mate. Ignoring all the fanboy [censored] and armchair economists on "Da Internet", the Playstation brand is profitable. They won't be endangering that by relying on worldwide internet infrastructure. It would be interesting to know what the number of PS Plus subscribers as a percentage of consoles sold is? We could then work out the number of console sales that might be lost by going online only.

Now if you said you doubt there would be a PS6, I would say you might be right!

Top Geezers them Titan Cards Nell

Think i will have a Twin Set so i can Duel Boot

In reply to a post by time2die:

Top Geezers them Titan Cards Nell

Think i will have a Twin Set so i can Duel Boot

I say, please stop misspelling dual, or I will be forced to whack you with my glove.

You're a blighter and a cad.

Oh yes as in Dual��..Pistols at Dawn

Never was any cop at smelling

if we compare nintendo and sega (back when it was on its last console) the difference is as you say they have the 3ds doing well, but also nintendo are cash rich, loads of money in the bank, so they can eat up the failure of the wii-u.

Also if a ps5 and a new xbox comes out within 2 years that is one big mess of a situation, the ps4 and xbox1 are both barely out the door and that will drag even more people to pc gaming (note I predicted people moving to pc and mrnelster has indeed gone out and brought one, he even ended up going intel for his cpu going up against his own advice). The advantage is obvious, if we look at the pc mrnelster brought, in my view he will find that amd380 lacking, but if he does he doesnt need to go out and buy a new pc, he can just replace that part, and sell the old one.

For sure i definitely will not be buying the NX console, I dont forget things like the wii-u been abandoned. Nintendo can say goodbye to my hard earned cash after that debacle.

So has he bought a Cheap CPU Im not up on PC gaming and to be honest i would have to look for serious advice from others in the know,Obviously Not Nelly based on what you just shouted out.

I was going to ask him for a parts list myself,but judging by your remarks they have a considerable chance of coming from Mattel and shipped via Toys R Us .

Hey Up I'm Only Kidding Nelly .

You know about this stuff way more than myself judging by yours and Chrysalis Posts.

Infact when i looked at your posts i had to get Google Translate to fully understand

Edited by time2die (Thu 25-Jun-15 16:30:37)

imo his cpu is fine, its pretty much the same as mine which is a 4670k. He should overclock it to 4.3+ ghz tho.

GPU is clearly a touchy one as people have strong opinions on the matter.

If i was going AMD I would get a 295x2 or one of the fury gpu's. A 290 is similar in performance to a gtx 970 but due to software optimisation issues it often runs worse in games with frame drops. To see what I mean look at this page and scroll down to "time spent beyond 33.3ms" near the bottom. http://techreport.com/review/28513/amd-radeon-r9-fur...

If you go nvidia and are happy with 1080p a gtx 970 is still the best card in my view. But if you want 4k, amd you want maybe a fury x, their new premium card or for nvidia a 980ti. Note the 290 in that review is much more powerful than a 380.

Edited by Chrysalis (Thu 25-Jun-15 17:35:43)

Im not buying any PC components ,its just way over my head,I'm to long in the Tooth and dam lazy to be interested.

Like i said previously,the only possible interest i may have come November is the Steam Machines and thats about as far as some PC contraption gets in my house.

A Pc is for a office environment,and I'm not going back down that route again,yes you can rig them to your Televisions but i doubt very much her indoors is going to approve of what the Living room looks like after that.

Its like Spaghetti junction behind my Television already and a PC isn't going to improve the situation .

Nar i will stick to console gaming as it gives me plenty of kicks,my new 360 Rocks with Gears 3 which cost £1.99 but is a free download for 360 people in mid July apparently .

So you requested I don't reply to your posts, but still feel entitled to commentate on mine?

So, just for the record:

note I predicted people moving to pc and mrnelster has indeed gone out and brought one

You predicted people going out and buying a PC because you apparently knew the console specs were a fail. When in reality the PS4 has sold by the bucket load and I've already explained repeatedly that I'm only buying a PC for a triple screen racing rig.

One game, the new "Dirt Rally" simulation has brought that purchase forward, no other reason. I will still be playing Project Cars, Dying Light and FC4 etc. on the PS4 with my buddies. I might be tempted to buy Project Cars on PC to play with Kila if he wants somebody to lap, but have no real need to have it on the PC until I get my triple screen set up going in the future.

he even ended up going intel for his cpu going up against his own advice

My whole argument has been based on bang for buck, as is easy for everybody else to read. I bought, (as stated in this thread), an i5 4690k because they recommended the FX8370E in such a small case, as it runs much more efficiently than the 8350/70. I clearly state that as this "E" version would only save me 20 quid, I was better off going with the Intel for the future OC option. I have never said the FX's were better than the 4690k, just better bang for the buck, for most gaming requirements. There are plenty of respected bloggers on the net advising newcomers of exactly this point. JayZTwoCents/LinusTechTips/TekSyndicate etc.

if we look at the pc mrnelster brought, in my view he will find that amd380 lacking

I won't be disappointed with the new 380. It's a 285 with a few extra features. I know what I'm buying. I don't need to spend the extra 75 quid on a GTX970 when the 380 will play my driving games at 60fps. I'm not interested in the likes of The Witcher games.

I'm not sure whether your nose has so obviously been put out of joint, by either the fact that I want to join your exclusive platform, didn't take your advice, or simply because you desperate for it to all fail so you can say I told you so.

Because I know that you overstate the shortcomings of everything that doesn't replicate your own set up, you are wasting your breath again.

Nar i will stick to console gaming as it gives me plenty of kicks,my new 360 Rocks with Gears 3 which cost £1.99 but is a free download for 360 people in mid July apparently .

As will I. It's where all the cool dudes are at.

Well at least those lucky enough to be invited into my inner sanctum.....

Cheers... looks amazing Deus Ex games just tick all the boxes for me.

I've had my 4690k @4.5Ghz and not going above 40oC under full load even in this case.

Nice case I am still using a old Chieftec Dragon but think I would go for a Lian Li next time, have always liked them.

I don't want a invite to your Arcade Driving Games

Have you had your components and rig delivered yet Nelly,and if so is it up and running and where have you Housed it........Geek Boy

Edited by time2die (Thu 25-Jun-15 21:39:28)

No, next week mate I think. Seven to eight days for order to delivery apparently. I'm not in any rush to be fair.

Oohh I love me Gadgets

Nothing like a new toy now is there

yeah I can probably push mine further but want to keep the low voltage I have it on

So I guess you agree 4.3 is a min overclock to aim for but higher if possible.

In fairness I just like to fiddle with stuff, this msi board is a dream for overclocking and I've not had to alter any voltages even to achieve 4.5! I've even had my 1333 ram overclocked to 1886 stable

In truth though I can't really say that I've seen a performance increase with all this fiddling but maybe that's because my 760 is the bottleneck.

I plan to buy a gigabyte gtx 970 itx card in the near future.

I was telling Kila about a nice small form Lian Li case when I started to properly plan my build, but it was 40-50 quid more expensive than the Node 304. If money was no object and all that, I think it would have won the day.

In fairness I just like to fiddle with stuff

And me its behind a Zip

I see it on my system, not just in games either.

But games that do stretch my cpu are dragon age inquisition (often all 4 cores over 90%), gta5 when you have the advanced graphics options enabled. Plus various old games which are single core only and max out one core.

If you on stock voltage with 4.5 on haswell then that indeed is an excellent overclock.

If you go nvidia and are happy with 1080p a gtx 970 is still the best card in my view.

True

But if you want 4k, amd you want maybe a fury x

Completely misleading.

Note the 290 in that review is much more powerful than a 380.

Completely irrelevant. You seem intent on continuing trying to prove a point over an illegitimate comparison, just not like a grown up. Can we just drop the 380 comments please? It was after all your request not to reply to each other's posts. Then you carry on by proxy. That's called trolling.

Just re-read my posted requirements, or give it a rest.

In reply to a post by time2die:

Oohh I love me Gadgets

Nothing like a new toy now is there

It's arriving Monday now, but my new wireless keyboard might not. I might have to crack out the old one as I must admit the new gadget feeling is now washing over me. I'm getting a little excited about getting on Steam and dowoading Dirt Rally.

Hopefully Kila will be available for helpdesk duties next week.

first the reply was to timey not you, you didnt have to reply to my comment not aimed at you.

Second after you posted a couple of days ago you wasnt happy I replied to him, I didnt add a new comment since then.

Third I am not the one who jumped up and down excited like a little kid after finding some posts complaining about poor performance with some hardware. There is nothing childish about pointing out a 290 beats a 380. Someone like timey may not be aware the 3xx cards are just rebrands and so it was nice to let him know that a 380 even tho a bigger number does not beat a 290.

Post deleted by MrSaffron

Which by all accounts i didn't know and i could have easily been duped into buying something similar.

But all is safe as i have no intention of buying a Gaming PC this week but may be next .

It will have plenty of clout though,even though i don't know as much as you two so I'm all ears.....

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

I was telling Kila about a nice small form Lian Li case when I started to properly plan my build, but it was 40-50 quid more expensive than the Node 304. If money was no object and all that, I think it would have won the day.

Just looked up the node 304 and its gorgeous, exactly the type of case I like in fact, would do me nicely

Nice eh?

It's meant to be quite cool too, but we'll see what the temperatures are like when I get it puffing hard on Project Cars.

The only problem is that it has trouble taking the biggest cards and fitting a big enough PSU to boot. It'll do me though and when I get a bigger case to upgrade my card (next year hopefully) it will make for a tidy little media/archive box next to the 50" Sony that I'm not allowed to game on.

In reply to a post by jorkila:

But replaced it with this -

Silverstone ft03 mini case
Intel i5 4690k
8gb crucial balistix memory
Msi 787i mini itx motherboard
Msi nvidia 760ti compact
Corsair h60 watercooler
128gb sandisk ssd
500gb sata hdd
450w silverstone sfx 80 plus power supply

You be buying another one later in the year for sure

Haha funny you should say that, I've already put a gtx 970 in which is maxing out P Cars @1080p and I've got 16gb of faster ram coming

faster ram waste of money.

glad you like your 970 tho

It only had 1333 to start with and there was no price difference between the 1600mhz and the 1833mhz so a no brainer plus more headroom for overclocking

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

glad you like your 970 tho

Has to be said it's not been without it's issue's already!
Was getting loss of display, as if the pc had turned off but it hadn't, initially suspected not enough juice for the gpu!
Read a few forum posts and one guy solved his issue with a bios reset and hey presto that's what I did and I was then able to max out P Cars with no issues.

But.... Playing WOT this evening I've had the same crash, restarted my system and not crashed since....go figure!!

It seems that quite a few people have similar issues with the 970 and there doesn't seem to be a simple remedy. Maybe this 970 wasn't such a wise choice (not that I can complain about it's performance)

Aye nice choice, let use know how it all goes when the system turns up

Sounds like you may have a psu issue.

The original evga 970s were built with insufficient power delivery but they still dont cause the issues you reported here.

Can you link to the discussion about this issue?

I'll try find it.

This is the card I bought.

Different forum but same issue even though it's a different brand card, so many contrasting outcomes I don't know what to think!!!

Helps if I share the link

Opinions and disagreements are fine but foul language and insults get posts removed.

Fair enough. Pity we can't enforce that new anti stalking legislation in here though.

Most of the issues with the 970's and some 980's are exactly the same issue as I'm having.

Here's another thread about it, interestingly one of the last post's a guy claims to have upgraded to windows 10 and his trouble has completely disappeared (guess what I'm now downloading)!!

Running P Cars flat out this morning and boom 2 laps in and I lose my display, pc still running and the monitor tells me it's going to turn off as it has no source, hard reboot system and complete 5 laps of P Cars, same settings, same cars, same track and weather settings, it makes no sense.

Unfortunately mate this is one of many reasons why i personally don't like PC gaming

It's hassle you learn to live with for ultimately the better quality in the long run, admittedly it's far easier pressing your console of choice's middle butten and away you go

So where about is your new PC housed Jorkila as I'm curious,please don't say the corner of the living room.

Im guessing the spare bedroom or office or Attic Space in your case .

thanks.

I am not sure what your problem is, but I am not surprised the posts are on the evga forum, my own evga card has power delivery issues as well and I resolved it by tuning in the precision X software, basically what I did was to set +25mv power and cap the power utilisation to 95%, it doesnt affect performance much thankfully and I have had no issues since.

However gigabyte 970 cards have a good reputation, I suggest leave gpu-z running in the bacvkground with background monitoring enabled when you play your games, one of the graphs monitors for voltage issues, and if the card is having to throttle back, it will tell you the reason. You would be looking for what that graph is doing at the time of the driver crash.

My guess is a PSU power voltage issue.

Sorry had to cut this post short as, as I was typing it a friend rang up and he wants me to help him put his new PC together

The spec is a 970 with a 8 core AMD cpu.

Edited by Chrysalis (Mon 29-Jun-15 18:51:26)

On a desk in my living room mate, missus was getting sick of me controlling the tv

So do you do this due to crashes?

I said please don't say the living room ........Jeez bet your flavour of the month,metal mickey isn't exactly nice living room furnishings now is it >

Thats it I'm going to college as i haven't got a Scooby Doobie Doo what the [censored] you lot are going on about.

Is this what it takes to play games once you have a so called decent gaming system..

Sorry had to cut this post short as, as I was typing it a friend rang up and he wants me to help him put his new PC together smile

Wasn't Nelly by any chance was it

lol

I had some CTD's (crash to desktop).

Not had any since I made the change.

My card is a evga 970 FTW, I did initiate a step-up to a FTW+ (fixed voltage regulator) but with very high shipping charges I couldnt be bothered in the end and am glad now I have a fix. For a gigabyte to have this issue to me seems unusual. I would consider RMA'ing it if you sure your psu is fine.

Edited by Chrysalis (Mon 29-Jun-15 21:45:36)

On my 360 games to be fair I have had games hard lockup, where I had to power cycle the console, fable anniversary e.g. locks up the 360.

PS3 has never crashed in games tho

Is a good system, they built it well, good case, good cable management, good cooling, MX4 compound used, hybrid cooler on cpu. Discrete soundcard, ssd with a 2tb hdd as well.

It cost him a grand.

15 laps on P Cars and no crash after Windows 10 install!!

More testing tomorrow.

Google Translate here i go again .

Another half a dozen laps on P Cars and all is well so far and get this, the new Batman now runs fine without any crash to desktops!!

30+ laps and all is well, so it would seem that installing a preview build of windows 10 has cured my 970's issue of losing the display and would lead me to believe that it has to be a driver issue!!

possibly, reading more of that thread (I skimmed it before) which output cable you using? dvi or hdmi or displayport?

hdmi

yeah seems the issue those guys had was related to hdmi.

I wonder if you can get a dvi to hdmi converter..

Or I could stick to windows 10 and not worry about it

Or you could just throw the heap of junk on the scrap heap .

In reply to a post by jorkila:

But replaced it with this -

Silverstone ft03 mini case
Intel i5 4690k
8gb crucial balistix memory
Msi 787i mini itx motherboard
Msi nvidia 760ti compact

Corsair h60 watercooler.... "in other words" Doubles as a water pistol in the back garden

128gb sandisk ssd
500gb sata hdd
450w silverstone sfx 80 plus power supply

Think I'm a Tad Jealous or what or is Timey having a wind up .

Is this something you been thinking about the last year or so or is it Jorkila and his lack of patience and the fact we are now deep in a summer gaming drought.

Remember how awesome you thought your Xbox One was when you got it,and how you defended it against a Playstation 4.

Never ever thought you would ditch your Xbox One,I'm a betting man and i say before end of November you will have purchased a second unit,and this time next year if not before selling your PC.

128gb ssd is home to the OS and main applications and that is it, no performance advantage other than loading times for games to be installed on there.

Yeah I would have picked a bigger hdd if I had built it myself to my own spec but still no real big deal.
The psu powers my 970 with no issues and it's not all about big watts but what the 12v rail is capable of.
As for water pistol, it manages to give me idle temps of mid twenties and very low 40's under prolonged heavy load.

Instead of throwing a heap load of cash at something do some research and find out what you really need to power your 4k machine (even though something that will run 1440p would suit you fine seeing as you've been happy with current gen)
which my mickey mouse rig is perfectly capable of btw

Edited by jorkila (Fri 03-Jul-15 16:32:31)

Was happy enough with the xbox to be fair but admittedly it was being used less and less since getting the PS4, only reason I bought it was because I have more real friends on that platform at the time.
Now it's the PS4's turn to gather dust It's not been turned on since owning this pc!!

Well mate same can be applied here except for the month i spent playing the awesome Bloodborne a game that you must play regardless.

It was way to tough for Nelly and he struggled to get past the opening menu screen which really isn't a big surprise when your used to playing Cooking Mama games on the DS and Simpson the Movie on his Playstation 4

When i started playing the much missed Gears 3 again on my recently purchased Xbox 360 slim i was so surprised that a game that came out in 2011 literally in terms of online action knocks most next generation games of today Socks of!!!

I find it extremely difficult to get excited and enjoy online games and there have been very few that hold my attention,Gears 3 has to be my all time favourite game online and for me Horde Mode is the most addictive game online i have ever played.

To compare Horde with Cod Zombies is crazy as Cod Zombies doesn't hold a candle to the original and best Online Gears Horde mode ever.

to be honest i feel your frustration and i don't blame you one Iota for buying into the PC gaming scene,like i said and i will say it again,if i hadn't got this expensive iMac in the office i may well have joined you.

A steam machine is about where I'm heading,and i don't mean Karcher before you start cracking the Jibes

Edited by time2die (Fri 03-Jul-15 17:11:26)

yep indeed its about the 12v rail, for this reason I prefer single 12v rail psu's.

I agree the pc makes the xbox1 almost pointless if you have the finances and willpower to use a pc (I agree the pc has more complications to deal with when playing games).

Also if you have to upgrade any parts its not the end of the world, as pc's are flexible in that way. For reference I sold my gtx 760 that I brought last year for more then I paid for it. Ebay can be like that at times.

What idiot paid more for a card than you paid for in the first place,and thats second hand ?

I know I'm a tad stupid when it comes with a fool and his money are easily parted,but even I'm not that stupid .

Thats a bit like me selling this £349 Playstation 4 for £359.......It isn't going to happen.

For instance its second hand and you never get more for second hand unless its some relic or rare antique like Jorkila New PC .

And secondly they have already dropped in price and you can get a 1TB Playstation 4 middle of the month for less than i paid for the original .

Give you my fully boxed Atari Jaguar with 2 controllers and Tempest 2000 for your rig,As long as you give me the cash equivalent to make up the difference as I'm not been ripped of

Just out of interest what you get for the Xbox One.

To build the original system would've cost just over £700.
I gave the guy £280 and my xbox with one game so roughly £420.
I have all boxes and receipts for the build, it was literally only a month old!

dont care for the reason why he paid what he did.

So you sold a part for more money than you paid for the item in the first place,firstly what made you come to that conclusion about selling it for more unless they are incredibly rare like the release of the original Nintendo Wii when they went for stupid money.

Just disconnected my Nintendo WII U ,unless they launch a Grown Ups console in a few years then thats the last Nintendo product i buy.

Dismal 3rd party support and not very good or fast 1st Party either,personally i think Nintendo has given up with The WII U even though they say this isn't so ?

Agree about Nintendo, I have no interest in their games, mario/zelda. there may be some others but I can't think of them If they don't do a serious console that competes with Xbox/PlayStation then they have had it. the market they are in right now can easily be covered by tablets.

they clearly given up and they gave up a year ago.

Remember I told you about the unfinished uk nintendo site. They also abandoned the EU tv services as well, plus the zelda game that is still not released and of course the sorry state of their nintendo catalogue on their store.

I am stuck in between either selling my wii-u and games now with most of the games still in shrink wrap so can be sold as new, or open them, rush the games to beat them and then sell everything.

I may buy a used wii to play the classic wii games I brought which are quality 3rd party titles.

Also I will not be buying the NX unless its really cheap as a reward to loyal wii-u users, I wont support a company who supports their customers like they are now.

Remember the PS3 started badly but sony didnt abandon it and it eventually came good.

I'll swap ya a Gtx 760 for it

And what am i going to do with that

Thats about as fast as the Micro in my hair dryer .

So it turns out the gigabyte 970 I bought was faulty and I have now replaced it with an evga gtx970 ftw+ and not a single problem so far (did cost me £40 more though)

I've also replaced the 450w psu with the same make 600w psu @ £111 lovely bit of kit though!!

Keeps getting dearer and dearer don't it.......Thats PC gaming for you.

I never thought your PSU was up to scratch in the first place or your graphic card

You be telling us in 6 months you have sold this PC and Bought yourself a Atari Jaguar

Anyway Next wednesday buy Galak Z Playstation 4 that is,if you haven't sold it

PSU was fine only replaced it to rule it out, as was the gpu (same type just different brand) other than it being faulty matey!!

Yeah dunno when I'll be buying anything for the PS4 next!

Always best to have a PSU that can handle everything thats thrown at it,so the higher the spec the better regardless of system specs,its just as important as a decent motherboard

And you thought i new nothing about PC Gaming Ah .

good news.

I did find it odd you had issues with the bios I sent.

I consider my own 970 faulty, but nowhere near as bad as yours was, I consider it faulty as I had to use a custom bios to get it to work properly.

That's what happens when you buy budget end graphic cards