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Hi all, after a few months of waiting Be fibre is now installed and up and running, after a few hiccups.
Install was due Monday 25th July but the guys came on Thursday 21st to fit an eye bolt on the exterior and then Friday 22nd to run the new fibre line across the road from pole to the property.
Sadly there was a fault on the fibre line with no light being found on the line. The line was replaced on Monday 25th with the router installed later in the afternoon by the engineer.
Sadly once again, we had frequent drops in service due to something to do with the IP address and the router time set by server PDT time -9 hours BST. The IP address issue was resolved on Tuesday 26th with no further drop outs noticed, fingers crossed, but the PDT time still exists.
I have asked Be fibre for more info on the router but a lot of features have been removed/ hidden by their firmware, I am VLAN, QoS and any decent log ability to check for drops in service. I have also asked if I am able to use a third party router because the supplied one is beyond basic, making the Plusnet hub one look like state of the art.
I hoping someone could recommend something in case I am able to buy my own router to replace the Adtran 854-v6, on paper this router looked to be ok, but has been almost ruined by the ISP.
I'm not going to rush out and buy anything, just be good to look at options looking forward if I am allowed to use third party equipment.
Once again many thanks
Lee
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Do you have a separate ONT, or did they provide the Adtran 854-v6 with an SFP+ GPON/XGSPON module that connects directly to the fibre, meaning the ONT function is integrated into the router?
In the latter case, I'd say your options are extremely limited. Most routers which have an SFP+ port won't take a PON module.
You could ask Be if they can put the Adtran into some sort of bridge mode, making it behave like a dumb ONT - or if they can simply replace the 854-v6 with an Adtran ONT. Then in principle you can connect your own router to that. Even then, you'd also need to determine the parameters to connect (e.g. is it PPPoE or IPoE/DHCP, do you need a specific PPPoE username/password, etc) and they may not have the support resources to help you with that.
In the absence of this option, I'd be inclined to set up your own router which handles the VLAN/QoS part on your LAN, with a WAN uplink into the Adtran router, using that only for Internet connectivity. If the Adtran lets you add static routes, then you can avoid 2 levels of NAT (turn off NAT in your own router); otherwise, double NAT may be a necessity.
It has to be said that most altnets have business cases predicated on volume. They want lots of simple installs to non-technical users with basic needs, and they are not interested in serving the relatively small volume of highly technical users. But I don't have any direct experience of Be, you'll have to find out what they're prepared to do for you.
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Hi Candlerb
The router is connected to the fibre line using the SFP+ port underneath.
All sounds a lot more technical and possibly not cost effective, for my needs.
Just don't see the need to use said equipment then hide majority of features away.
I am still waiting for a response from Be support but why should I be accepting that the time will always -9 hours and to alter any scheduling accordingly, due to them not being able to fix it.
I've asked them if I can use third party equipment, so fingers crossed, I don't think I am asking too much, even viewing logs is an issue with it only showing the last hour lol or scrolling a graph minute by minute.
Thanks for the advice
Lee
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but why should I be accepting that the time will always -9 hours
Probably because very few people care what time the router thinks it is. You do of course, since you're looking at log messages (I'd say all logs should be UTC-timestamped, but that's just my opinion). Whilst it's annoying, you can compensate for it, and it doesn't affect your Internet traffic in any way.
There are more serious weaknesses in Altnet services that I can think of, like being behind a CGN and without any IPv6.
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I had a similar issue with plusnet a few years ago , when their router firmware didn't have the ability to change to BST always on GMT, but the mesh system I was using took the time from the router and therefore everything had to be altered accordingly, I know it's not the end of the world stuff, but surely a basic requirement.
The PDT timing issue has now been resolved and correct time in place, the support is now asking how I log into the router using what details, er using the details I told the engineer when he inputted them, and allows me to log into the router to see dashboard etc. lol
He also said "The router options internally should be fully available to you, VLAN and QoS are not missing but they are features for the WAN that we recommend you do not touch as you can lose connection and we will need to send someone there out (engineer) to reestablish it.
In terms of the router itself currently, we do not allow the use of third-party routers however this has been noted that many people out there would like a choice of being able to use their own router, this may be something we can offer in the near future." lol many people, would you not take the hint?????
Lee
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I'm with Hey!Broadband, but from the outset I knew they provided a very locked down router with poor performance. I asked for it to be set up in bridge mode so I could use my own router, so this may be an option for you.
In my case they actually installed a little ONT(Adtran 611), and I'm happily using my own Asus RT-AC86U router.
Hey!Broadband 1Gb Fibre
Asus AC86U - Asuswrt Merlin
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Hi Andy, due to the fact "many other people" from Be fibre would also like to use their own equipment, I am going to wait a short while and see what happens. Being they are pretty new to the area, hopefully as uptake increases, possibly the quicker they may allow third party usage, who knows????
I was drifting towards a mesh system that would simply plug into the Adtran and then give me the wifi 6 throughout the home, had a tenda mw3 (3x) with plusnet router, worked ok but the ethernet is only 100mbps, I will get round to trying it out, certainly not going to spend £1000 on an orbi mesh.
Thanks for the idea of the bridge mode
Lee
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I have a pre order with Be There and as it stands unless they change their mind on forcing you to have these routers I will be declining the installation and cancelling the order..
I have spent too much time and effort making a reliable, secure and manageable home network to hand over the edge router to a questionable product that has been locked down to the point of being useless to a power user..
I have asked, and they do not support bridge mode but the more a look into Be There and the router used the less I want it and I would rather stick with BT FTTC and my own gear and wait it out for open reach FTTP to finish being deployed.
Furthermore, I email support a few times, and they claim "for support reasons" they do not allow own equipment, I would be more than happy if they did not support my equipment, if they wanted me to connect the [censored] router to get support that's fine.
I am tempted to get the service at the discounted rate and see if I can reverse engineer it and get my own router working, the discounted price over 2 years work out about the same price as paying for BT FTTP while still keeping my FTTC until the end of the contract
Got some thinking todo
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I have a pre order with Be There
I assume this is nothing to do with the ISP BeThere that I was with a few years ago that went belly up?
AAISP FTTC 73 Mbit/s
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BeThere original was part of O2 early on, and then much much later sold to Sky whom closed down the BeThere section. The founders moved to Hyperoptic.
This new outfit is unconnected.
23 years of broadband connectivity since 1999 trial - Live BQM
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I'd forgotten about the O2 link. Wasn't aware that Sky had taken them over - must have been after I moved away (as they said they were closing) as I'd never have wanted anything to do with Sky!
AAISP FTTC 73 Mbit/s
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Hi Tim,
The speed and service they provide I can not fault, except for an IP address not being UK based with Netflix and Amazon saying I was using a VPN, but after a reboot of the router I was "UK" based again.
After complaining about this not long after taking their service, I was given a " Support" login for the router on top of the "admin" log in the user gets. I've looked about in there using the support login and there is alot you don't see with the "admin" login, and I get why they don't give you that in case you change something and you lose service, but I'm a big boy of 48 years old and don't turn things on or off, unless I know what it does.
I was hoping for VLAN ability but as the connection is SFP connection , you can't use VLAN ??????
No parental controls except for timing of allowed devices ie off between set times, no ability to stop porn or age related stuff, the Xbox One has this for games so presumably would work for sites as well.
My old plusnet hub one had logs you could view for errors, I had an issue with a ring doorbell losing connection regularly every day at the same time, simple search in logs showed this, but the Adtran shows 24hours of logs, but with the "admin" login you have to scroll through minute by minute, and if you miss press or scroll at the wrong point of the screen it goes straight back to the begining.
Simple things like time, no ability to change the time, fingers crossed the router will know to +/- hour when needed, unlike the tenda mesh we used to have, stuck on GMT all the time, not helpful.
I did do some research before commiting, other ISP's had different routers but the Adtran sounded ok on paper, but then they add their own firmware, and so will the others.
Do i regret the decision? Yes and No lol
Yes, Prefer more speed available for all the devices, bonus of no landline for spam calls, for less than phone and broadband cost.
No, as the router is the most arkward shape,stands upright and makes noises like an old hard drive, quite irritating and disturbing late at night. Not wall mountable unless you buy the Adtran wall mount that is not available any where, search the net for product ID, you see a picture and thats about it. These routers are supplied to ISP's and not sold anywhere, except ebay if you're lucky (USA only), so you can't make any use of any mesh technology either.
It really does make the plusnet hub one look state of the art.
Lee
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Did they not give the option to set the Adtran up in bridge / pass through mode or swap it for a plain and simple ONT so you could attach your own box?
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Nope last email said others had similar issues and they may think about it in the future.
I was just going to buy a mesh system and use that, was using a tenda mw3 on plusnet, even that looks good against the adtran, could still use it but its only 100Mbps ethernet so less than 10% of total speed I pay for.
Maybe when enough people moan about it to them they may change their minds but as it is, it works but seems a big step backwards for residential use.
Hey ho only 20 months to go lol
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Did you post a review in trustpilot? There are a few bad reviews now
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Oooof.
That router looks like it is used in a number of countries and appears to be rubbish in all of them.
They would be a hard pass from me as I've been using my own router since the first DSL install e.g. pre-wifi days Speedtouch ST510 (it took a a campaign to get DSL in our area).
OPNSense
PiHole
Unifi for Wifi
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In the latter case, I'd say your options are extremely limited. Most routers which have an SFP+ port won't take a PON module.
But quite a few do, and it largely depends on the PON module. The more recent PON modules tend to do all the hard lifting and just present as an ethernet module to whatever they are plugged into. The main issue is is modules that need better than a 1Gbps interface in the device they are plugged into as technically a GPON can do 2.5Gbps download and 1.25Gbps upload. Though if it is genuinely an SFP+ that's not an issue, but most are really SFP instead.
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check out isppreview site
might be interesting for you
ISP BeFibre Ships Linksys Wi-Fi 6 Routers with UK Full Fibre Plans
LB
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Just had Be Fibre installed (Worcestershire).
Speeds are great but I too was given the Adtran 854-v6-9240. It's not a terrible piece of consumer hardware, but you are correct, you cannot put it into bridge mode so no using your own router and any connected mesh would need to be in AP mode.
It actually has NetData OSS built into the routers OS if you want an infinitely more detailed view of the system than what is available on the routers default web UI.
The biggest issue for me so far is some pages failing to load/slow and my public IP looking like it is US based. I am assuming that these are CGNAT issues and am waiting for their support to sort it.
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Hi
Best bet is to make a note of the offending ip address, reboot router, and then report to support who can make the required changes to the address, I've had 3 so far lol
It looks like BF are going to be providing the Linksys single mesh unit soon, but this has to be connected to the Adtran router and not a replacement for the Adtran, although maybe this paves the way to have the Adtran into bridge mode and allow users to buy and use their own equipent????
LB
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First time poster here.
Just wanted to say that I got BeFibre installed a few weeks back and although the speeds have been fantastic, I agree that the router is dreadful. Mine just kept dropping throughput all the way down to kbps rather than mbps. Their support isn’t great to be honest, still not had my issue with their router resolved, so I resorted to using a UDM pro and it’s been perfect since then.
Liam
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I was promised something from the main guy in support but he has forgotten all about it and fails to respond to emails now.
Strange how he got in contact 2 days after leaving a 1 star review on trustpilot, merely stating how bad the router is and lack of abilities enabled, and my review wasn't the first to mention how bad it was.
Did you get the adtran into bridge mode then plug udm into it or udm on its own?
Lee
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Yeah I was told before ordering that the Adtran router could be put in bridge mode so I could use my own gear, but that didn’t turn out well. They apologised about the agent who mislead me but that was it. I’ve sent numerous emails on my current support ticket and it’s been 11 days since the last reply by support. So probably going to leave a negative review as it’s pretty bad not answering a support ticket that’s done testing and narrowed down the root cause of the issue being their router. Probably just don’t want to admit that their router is awful.
I took the transceiver module out of the adtran router and put it into a tplink media converter so that I could get access to a Ethernet port, then that goes into my UDM pro. However you can plug the sfp directly into an sfp card and that works too. Lastly you just have to set vlan tagging on the interface and then you should get a public ip and be off their equipment. This approach probably wont be needed for that long as they are going to be changing ont units soon that provide an ethernet port instead of sfp port.
Liam
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Sadly their idea to solve the [censored] router is to add another router to it, the linksys ax4200.
Been promised the linksys in January but won't hold my breath.
Lee
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Yeah, I wouldn't trust them, when I spoke to one of the guys, he said they expect them in March-April. I would honestly give them till January and if they dont keep their word, then just get a media converter and do the same as what i did. Its honestly night and day the quality of the connection with your own hardware. It's not even that hard to do, I was told it was impossible by their support to use your own gear and yet still managed it.
I'm sure there will be more people in this situation while they keep providing kit that is not up to the job.
Liam
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Or for better reliability, get a router with an SFP or SFP+ port in it.
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Hi buddy
I emailed BEfibre over the last 2 days, they have said the " new router" is a replacement for the Adtran and not an addon unit. They expect early 2023, so I will patiently wait and see when it happens.
Maybe they have listened???? Time will tell, but not too much time
LB
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Sounds like they are swapping it for an ONT, so you can connect your own router to it.
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Hi Mate,
Yeah fingers crossed! Hopefully it will come on time and they don’t let it slip.
Still makes me wonder why they allowed such a poor router to be installed.
Liam
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I just had BeFibre installed, got the [censored] Adtran router. I've bought a tp link media converter so I'm hoping it works for me like it did for you.
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Yeah it should work fine. Mines been rock solid since using it.
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Hmmm, no joy so far although I was using an ancient dd-wrt build on a linksys 320, so I probably need to try with something a little more recent.
You just have the ethernet i/f set as a dhcp client? I don't have any pppoe login details so I presume it doesn't work like that.
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Still no joy using soho routers but I connected my laptop directly to the media converter and got an ip address, so some progress at least. Can't connect to the internet so I assume I need a vlan ID, anyone know what BeFibre use?
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I've just joined so I can monitor this thread and your efforts sprozen.
I've ordered befibre and have been told It will be an adtran supplied. There will be no Linksys available because they haven't even got to trial stage.
My existing setup is with an RT-AC88U which I want to keep for now and use it with a media converter as Liam126126 has suggested.
If would be helpful if Liam126126 could post what settings he has used on his router.
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I figured it out eventually, you need the vlan id and it's available on the routing page of the Adtran ui, you'll see WAN.nn and nn is the id you need. You then just set the interface to dhcp with that vlan id and you're away.
I've had a Linux device (a laptop but the principle holds) connected to the interwebs without the router (just using a tp link media converter (MC220L). I don't expect to have any trouble using my pfsense router.
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Thanks for that. Should save me a bit of aggro.
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Hi all - looks like you guys may be able to help me!
Im about to sign up with Hey Broadband and they are offering me the choice of the Adtran 814-V6 or the ONT.
A quick Google suggests that the Adtran 814-V6 isnt at all bad in terms of functionality or reliability... at least in vanilla form. Am I wrong?
Specifically it does seem to offer bridge mode.
Ideally I need the ability to both be able to use bridge mode with my own router most of the time, and router mode occasionally when I need my router for other duties... All my previous ISPs' routers gave me the option to switch between modes.
Does anyone had experience of using this router's 'advanced' features when it has been supplied by Hey Broadband?
@highlander317 - you mentioned a 'support' login. Was this from Hey Broadband?
When you log in with this account, are all features available?
TIA!
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Hey buddy. Just came across this as had befibre installed today and this Adtran is pants.
I have a Netgear Nighthawk RAX120 that I used with my old ISP and would love to use this.
Have you successfully managed to get rid of the Adtran, if so please advise what you bought to replace it and what config was needed..
Thank you 
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Please also.. I have a media converter coming from amazon and I have a Netgear Nighthawk RAX120 and hope to get this working
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Hi all, about to go live with be and their infamous router, I would like to bin it and go into my Eero pro 6 mesh, so the tp-link converter is this the one people are using?
https://www.tp-link.com/uk/business-networking/acces...
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Hi,
Where did you get the right VLAN ID from ? Thanks
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Hi,
Where did you get the right VLAN ID from ? Thanks
@sprozon figured it out
you need the vlan id and it's available on the routing page of the Adtran ui, you'll see WAN.nn and nn is the id you need
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Oh, literally. Says WAN.10 so the VLAN ID is 10 then.,
Ill give it a go ,thanks
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Oh, literally. Says WAN.10 so the VLAN ID is 10 then.,
Ill give it a go ,thanks
did it work?
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Hi
Would also be interested to know if it works.
Will be getting a be-fibre soon and looking for ways to replace the adtran router.
I'll grab a TP-Link media converter but would appreciate any recommendations for a half decent router that will do the job (without wifi).
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It might be a bit of steep learning curve for some but I really cannot fault OPNSense.
I use the method shown in this video with the exact same unit which can be bought ready to go for around £150 delivered.
Slap in more than the basic amount of RAM and SSD space and you can run 5+ small server appliances for pihole/Adguard/OpenVPN etc alongside it or to simplify it, just run OPNSense/pfSense bare metal.
https://www.servethehome.com/topton-intel-j4125-4x-i...
Here's my graph of a Swish 900mbit connection.
My Broadband Ping
No bufferbloat or dropped packets and it is using at most 25% of one CPU core at a max of 6-8w power use. There is a not a consumer router that comes close for the price.
OPNSense on Topton J4125 - SWISH Fibre 900
PiHole/AdGuard home - Unifi for Wifi
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Absolutely did. No more adtran!
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Thanks! very interesting.. I was looking for something a but cheaper though. Definitely an option.
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There are not that many cheaper options but any fairly recent x86 PC will work and a popular option are USFF/SFF PCs and devices designed for thin client use such as the HP T series. I have a T620+ as a backup option as it has a PCI-E slot for a dual or quad port NIC.
There are some great guides available though for this type of project e.g.
https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/le...
OPNSense on Topton J4125 - SWISH Fibre 900
PiHole/AdGuard home - Unifi for Wifi
Edited by smouty (Sun 26-Mar-23 16:18:49)
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Thanks for confirming. Fibre Heroes have recently gone live in our area and BeFibre have the best deal at present of the few ISPs available. The router is putting me off, as well as the cancellation policy and the possibility of getting a CGNAT IP.
How have you found Be-fibre?
Their deal ends today, but £30 for 900Mbs is tempting
Cheers
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Been good so far. Odd hiccup but they are a relatively new ISP
With my own equipment I've never had a speed test over the WiFi less than 800MB, wired speed tests in excess of 900MB every time.
Cgnat ip hasn't affected me at all. I don't need port forwarding, most things are cloud based now.
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Cheers.
Have just asked them about CGNAT and they say they only use Public IPs, not shared CGNAT address.
Based on that, and you confirming you've been able to get it working with your own kit, I've taken the plunge 👍
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I've had BeFibre installed so far I have been unimpressed the install part was ok. However I had emails saying I was connected. No it wasn't not for another 4 days after the install. There customer support is useless I had to ring 3 to 4 times and log the same thing everytime before I finally got someone to call me back. It finally connected and It was fine until today I decided to download a 10gb file which I needed for work it started off OK and then it started dropping speed then it stopped. So I rebooted the ont box and the router it then seemed to start to work OK again then it stopped again. Now if I try and run any speed tests via wired or wireless directly the hub it doesn't work. So back on the phone again now I have the adtean router and I have a cat 6 cable plugged into the wan port on the router which plugs into the ont box on the wall.
Does this mean I could use a different router or am I stuck with it??
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Following advice from other users from this forum (thank you sprozen, danielshaw, cityworker314 etc), I have replaced the Adtran with a SFP media converter (i.e. TP-Link MC220L) connected to my router.
In order to connect to the internet you then need to set up the connection with the correct VLAN ID which is
available on the routing page of the Adtran ui, you'll see WAN.nn and nn is the id you need. You then just set the interface to dhcp with that vlan id and you're away.
Edit:I forgot to mention I am with BeFibre
Edited by celticapat (Thu 13-Apr-23 22:13:47)
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Did you manage to receive any help with this? I’m having exactly the same problem with BeFibre. I’ve found I can only get the 500mbps on the 5Ghz wifi which is fine but that signal won’t even travel to one room so I’m limited to about 70mbps on the 2.4GHz. Just seem a bit let down that I’m paying for 500mbps but can only get it when I’m stood a metre away from the router. I would also like a mesh wifi.
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Just following up to say i finally got installed today
Soon as the engineer walked out the door, i grabbed the vlan id from the adtran, then swapped it for the tp link media converter, into my original router (eero) set the vlan id, and its all working now!
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Bit of a long shot. but do you have a link to the bits you needed to do this converter. getting quite confused on which tp link and if i need to purchase a single mode module to go with.
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Bit of a long shot. but do you have a link to the bits you needed to do this converter. getting quite confused on which tp link and if i need to purchase a single mode module to go with.
You just need the MC220L, it’s about £18 on Amazon. Then you take the whole SFP module out of the adtran and put it in the TP link, with an ethernet from the TP link into your own router
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Glad to hear all is working fine!
All was working for me too with exception of my webserver which I was not able to access anymore because of the CGNAT ip.
However, a few days after having contacted the customer support and explained my issue, I was assigned an external ip free of charge.
It is not static (over the phone they told me they expect to be able offer it soon) but it works for me as I use a DDNS service anyway.
I hope this might help.
Cheers
Edited by celticapat (Sat 22-Apr-23 22:40:39)
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Oh I'm such a idiot! Of course it's got one! Is it just screwed in to the adtran? Not soldered? I see there's two screws in the base?
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It is installed with no screws, you just need to pull it out (the module has a tiny foldable handle for that) and slide it into the SFP slot of the TP Link.
Cheers
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Is the SFP module located in a slot in the router base?
I've just been connected today and the supplied router has an empty hole there so it doesn't look like I have a module to remove!
Like many here I'm horrified to find I can't simply use my existing mesh devices to replace the Adtran router. It surely isn't good practice to provide a broadband service tied to a specific device!
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Like many here I'm horrified to find I can't simply use my existing mesh devices to replace the Adtran router. It surely isn't good practice to provide a broadband service tied to a specific device! For many ISPs it is the preferred route as it allows them to have a known device on the end of the line for doing troubleshooting if there are any issues. Many ISPs will only provide support if you are using their router and some make it very difficult to use your own router.
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Yes, the SFP slot is at the bottom of the router - I am assuming you have been provided with the Adtran 854v6.
If you have been connected you should have the SFP module inserted in the slot and the fibre plugged into it.
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Many thanks for the replies.
Yes, I do have the Adtran 854v6 router but the slot at the bottom is empty and the connection works fine. Does that mean I must have an ethernet ONT device? If that is the case should I be able to set up my existing ASUS mesh system to replace the Adtran one?
I've read above about needing the VLAN id but the routing page on my Adtran dashboard doesn't say WAN:nn anywhere so I'd love to know if there is another way of locating it?
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If you have an ONT, then you should have an ethernet cable between the ONT and the WAN port of the Adtran.
If that is the case, you are correct as you should be able to simply replace the Adtran with your own router.
I can't check right now but I am pretty sure the WAN.nn string was in a table towards the bottom of the routing page. I was accessing it using my phone and I had to scroll the table horizontally to show it.
Have a go and let me know if you can find it - I can try and help more later when home if you struggle with it.
Edited by celticapat (Fri 28-Apr-23 11:58:15)
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Yes, we do have an ethernet cable from the ONT to the router so it is good to know that there might be a solution!
I've searched the routing page and downloaded a copy but can't find WAN.nn or similar. Maybe the firmware has changed. I don't seem to be able to insert the file here but will paste a copy of it below.
Thanks again
ARP Table
IP ADDRESS MAC ADDRESS DEVICE
192.168.1.202 42:28:12:e4:20:98 BR-LAN
100.64.0.2 52:54:00:06:eb:0b WAN
192.168.1.220 60:32:b1:6b:f2:d7 BR-LAN
192.168.1.128 50:8a:06:dd:72:fa BR-LAN
192.168.1.227 c0:06:c3:ae:6f:a5 BR-LAN
192.168.1.205 c0:06:c3:0a:56:28 BR-LAN
192.168.1.200 e8:eb:1b:d6:d7:64 BR-LAN
192.168.1.218 de:9e:a8:49:87:2f BR-LAN
192.168.1.116 c0:06:c3:0a:36:74 BR-LAN
192.168.1.225 60:01:94:8f:2b:f5 BR-LAN
192.168.1.203 98:af:65:8b:76:bc BR-LAN
192.168.1.215 b0:be:76:02:f0:94 BR-LAN
192.168.1.155 b0:be:76:be:f8:38 BR-LAN
192.168.1.210 b0:be:76:02:f0:cd BR-LAN
192.168.1.134 74:da:88:96:06:9f BR-LAN
192.168.1.216 90:dd:5d:d6:bf:d8 BR-LAN
192.168.1.201 84:d6:c5:40:01:ba BR-LAN
192.168.1.208 74:da:88:96:08:38 BR-LAN
192.168.1.219 b6:1f:09:9f:b5:f8 BR-LAN
192.168.1.138 ba:49:c3:bc:6a:65 BR-LAN
192.168.1.211 58:d3:49:ef:ad:20 BR-LAN
IPv4 Routing Table
IPV4 ADDRESS GATEWAY GENMASK DEVICE
0.0.0.0 100.64.0.2 0.0.0.0 WAN
100.64.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.192.0 WAN
192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 BR-LAN
192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 BR-GUEST
IPv6 Routing Table
IPV6 ADDRESS NEXT HOP DEVICE
fd37:1e01:4d52::/48 fe80::ae13:9cff:fef1:2e41 WAN
fd37:1e01:4d52::/64 :: WAN
fd37:1e01:4d52::/64 :: LO
fd6e:781e:c445::/64 :: BR-LAN
fd6e:781e:c445:4::/62 fe80::1c61:7cd:3cf:cf78 BR-LAN
fd6e:781e:c445::/48 :: LO
fe80::/64 :: ETH0
fe80::/64 :: LAN1
fe80::/64 :: BR-LAN
fe80::/64 :: WAN
fe80::/64 :: WIFI2G
fe80::/64 :: WIFI5G
fe80::/64 :: W5GM
::/0 :: LO
fd37:1e01:4d52::/128 :: WAN
fd6e:781e:c445::/128 :: BR-LAN
fd6e:781e:c445:0:eb64:df62:e4ed:fb7b/128 :: BR-LAN
fe80::/128 :: ETH0
fe80::/128 :: LAN1
fe80::/128 :: BR-LAN
fe80::/128 :: WAN
fe80::/128 :: WIFI2G
fe80::/128 :: WIFI5G
fe80::/128 :: W5GM
fe80::ce66:18ff:feae:701a/128 :: WIFI5G
fe80::ce66:18ff:feae:701f/128 :: W5GM
ff00::/8 :: ETH0
ff00::/8 :: LAN1
ff00::/8 :: BR-LAN
ff00::/8 :: WAN
ff00::/8 :: WIFI2G
ff00::/8 :: WIFI5G
ff00::/8 :: W5GM
::/0 :: LO
IPv6 Neighbors Table
IPV6 ADDRESS IPV6 STATUS DEVICE MAC ADDRESS ROUTER
fe80::10af:1ec7:5c70:9047 REACHABLE BR-LAN b6:1f:09:9f:b5:f8 0
fe80::1c61:7cd:3cf:cf78 REACHABLE BR-LAN 58:d3:49:ef:ad:20 1
fe80::ce66:18ff:feae:7010 STALE WAN cc:66:18:ae:70:10 0
fe80::2a5:34b4:8c3:3f2a REACHABLE BR-LAN 98:af:65:8b:76:bc 0
fe80::ae13:9cff:fef1:1dc0 STALE WAN ac:13:9c:f1:1d:c0 0
0
fe80::4da:e234:842b:eee STALE BR-LAN ba:49:c3:bc:6a:65 0
fe80::1c4e:ce53:f33a:9ae4 STALE BR-LAN b6:1f:09:9f:b5:f8 0
fe80::ae:b9ff:c99f:c7bf STALE BR-LAN 90:dd:5d:d6:bf:d8 0
fe80::46e:835b:3885:47a8 STALE BR-LAN de:9e:a8:49:87:2f 0
fd6e:781e:c445:0:d853:ffbd:4471:631a REACHABLE BR-LAN 98:af:65:8b:76:bc 0
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On the basis that I am not the person best placed to answer your question as I only have a fairly basic understanding of networking:
- maybe the ONT is managed and contains the VLAN ID?
- have you tried connecting your own router or a laptop to the ONT without specifying a VLAN ID ?
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I'm in the same boat as David Hughes. AdTran installed today with BeFibre, but they used a Nokia ONT with a copper ethernet connection to the WAN port of the ADTran - no fibre direct to the SFP port of the router.
If I plug the ONT ethernet cable in to my laptop. I just get a 169. address
If I set the VLAN ID of my laptop NIC to VLAN 10, still get a 169 address
If I plug it back in to the ADTran, internet works great but means I'm currently double-natted.
Could they be using PPPoE on the ADTran to dial out via the ONT?
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Have you tried spoofing the MAC of the Adtran?
OPNSense on Topton J4125 - SWISH Fibre 900
PiHole/AdGuard home - Unifi for Wifi
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Hi Smouty,
started off capturing packets with Wireshark this morning and no VLANs in sight. NIC is a Realtek which should show them. Saw the MAC address in the DHCP request and added this as Network Address in the driver settings of the Realtek and picked up an IP on the laptop.
So looks like BeFibre are now MAC locking the network.
Cheers
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Nice work there!!
Well done.
OPNSense on Topton J4125 - SWISH Fibre 900
PiHole/AdGuard home - Unifi for Wifi
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This is what I did when they told me they were giving me an external IP.
I can confirm this solution works fine
Edited by celticapat (Sat 29-Apr-23 13:46:40)
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Thanks again for all the help and info; this is a learning curve for me!
I had asked BeFibre if I can use my own router directly or some other way and got the reply:
"Our network doesn't support the use of a 3rd party router as the DNS is locked to the device we provide.
However one workaround I personally use with my own mesh setup, is to configure the nodes as access points.
You can then log into the adtran router using 192.168.1.1 and disable the wireless from there so you would be using the nodes wireless functions while retaining the parent router as the adtran. "
That suggestion sound like a possibility for me but first I'll investigate a bit and see if I can make sense of WireShark
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The MAC address of the ADTran was also on the box it came in. You'll need a router that supports mac spoofing, which luckily my Deco mesh does. I just plumbed in the MAC address and it picked up a WAN IP and internet working.
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That's the sort of tip I like... "it is on the box!"
Thanks very much for all the advice, I'm sorted now!
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