Hereford part two

It was getting a bit long, sorry but all the anonymous people was not making it any better. If you are going to use the forums often, then a good idea to register, you don't need to give your real name you know.

anyway in reply too funkyboy, if your mate is getting only 15megabits, then they should have a word with BT, i think that if it is 15 megabits or over, Bt will not do much, but it is worth a try.

co-op college Cab is now free from barriers, not been close enough to it to hear if it is buzzing.

Not sure if you realised but you double posted the thread, may want to delete the other! Also put a link to the other thread just as a reference so people can re-check replies if necessary. Seen a Western Power van driving around on my way to work this morning, always a good sign. Let's hope it isn't long before the first cab goes live. Any ideas on which cab will be ready first?

I thought there was another thread, it gone now, well I can't see it.

For a laugh I just did a check and fibre will be here on the 30th of September, that was via postcode as I don't have a phone line any more. I never known Bt to be early with anything, so i be surprised if it comes before then.


i have no idea if the fibre itself is up here or not, but I presume it is not, no sticker on cab either, some people in other parts of the country says about stickers from BT openreach being put on the cab advertising super fast broadband.

Can you change the title to include "hereford FTTC part 2" please

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

i have no idea if the fibre itself is up here or not, but I presume it is not, no sticker on cab either, some people in other parts of the country says about stickers from BT openreach being put on the cab advertising super fast broadband.

They don't put stickers on until it's live.

PCP2 at the corner of Tower Road and Breinton Road turned green

See the Herefrord FTTC map here:

www.tinyurl.com/hereford-fttc

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

It was getting a bit long, sorry but all the anonymous people was not making it any better.

I don't need to post, then there will be nearly no updates in the thread. At least what I post is on topic in the Fibre forum.

Coluld you also create an Allpay thread for discussion on their wireless serivce provision, that too would help.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

For a laugh I just did a check and fibre will be here on the 30th of September, that was via postcode as I don't have a phone line any more. I never known Bt to be early with anything, so i be surprised if it comes before then.

These are placeholder quarterly dates, not that accurate really. One thing i'd like to say is i can't see why openreach would put so much effort in for a few weeks, just to then wait for 2-3 months to get it activated. There's so much work going on you'd think they would casually upgrade cabs over a long length of time rather than rush it, if it wasnt going to be done soon.

Then again, i've seen stranger things and i know anything can happen so who knows, i guess we'll get more of an estimate when the first cab goes live.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

The Kempton Avenue cabinet is probably delayed due Management company involved, as the existing PCP is on there land and based on my dealings with them they wont be the quickest and easiest to deal with. On the brightside im going to rob all the bandwidth as im the closest to the cabinet , luckily they should be enough bandwidth for everyone!

Is this a guess or have you heard it's delayed?

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Don't be too optimistic, this is Bt after all and i know a few people who got fibre cabs near them in other towns and have been waiting for months for Bt to switch them on.


Commercial Conditions in Hereford, what makes this heap of a city any different to any other?

Might have something to do with this: http://money.aol.co.uk/2012/02/23/the-slowest-broadb...

Broadband blackspots for towns and cities with populations above 40,000:
Hereford, HR1-4 - average broadband download speed 3.196 Mbps
Kilmarnock, KA1-3 - average broadband download speed 3.218 Mbps
Carlisle, CA1-6- average broadband download speed 3.240 Mbps
Dumfries, DG1-2- average broadband download speed 3.604 Mbps
Canterbury, CT1-4 - average broadband download speed 4.013 Mbps
Shrewsbury, SY1-3- average broadband download speed 4.089 Mbps
Lancaster, LA1 - average broadband download speed 5.479 Mbps
Chester, CH1-4 - average broadband download speed 6.052 Mbps

We've got the worst broadband in the UK for a decent sized city, I just think BT are being kicked into making up for it now, I think that's why there's such a rush on

In reply to a post by brettuk:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Commercial Conditions in Hereford, what makes this heap of a city any different to any other?

Might have something to do with this: http://money.aol.co.uk/2012/02/23/the-slowest-broadb...

Broadband blackspots for towns and cities with populations above 40,000:
...
Hereford, HR1-4 - average broadband download speed 3.196 Mbps
...
We've got the worst broadband in the UK for a decent sized city.

I just think BT are being kicked into making up for it now, I think that's why there's such a rush on

What a strange and undesirable quirk for the good people of Hereford!

Has BT offered a technical explanation for Hereford's poor quality broadband?

Unusually long average loop lengths (D side+E side) to consumer premises, perhaps? Issues with old plant? Capacity problems? In recent years, a rapidly expanding population?

If this [1] is the Hereford telephone exchange (HR4 0JT) then it looks relative modern. 1980s, perhaps. And it's located fairly centrally in the town.

On loop length distribution in the UK, Professor Barry Forde, author of a 2009 JANET technical report on LLU [2] cites an OFCOM-commissioned report from SARGENTIA [3], which in turn cites unpublished documents from BT.

In summary, BT stated in 2004 that the average loop length (D+E) in the UK is 3,470 metres including the dropwire.

Returning to Hereford, drawing a circle with radius 3,000 metres around the exchange encompasses almost the entire city. [4] However, the city is cut in half by a large river (Wye) which perhaps poses problems with E-side routing, extending the average loop length, maybe?

Or could Hereford's sluggish broadband be down to ailing and/or aged plant? Lots of aluminium pairs in the local network perhaps? It would be interesting to find out!

cheers, a

[1] http://goo.gl/maps/V2eI
[2] http://web01ulcc.ja.net/documents/development/llu/ll...
[3] http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/research/t...
[4] http://picturepush.com/public/8836401

Edited by deleted (Sat 28-Jul-12 00:16:26)

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

i have no idea if the fibre itself is up here or not, but I presume it is not, no sticker on cab either, some people in other parts of the country says about stickers from BT openreach being put on the cab advertising super fast broadband.

They don't put stickers on until it's live.

that explains it then.

so whos on allpay broadband in herefordshire

fiber gose live on the HEREFORD

WNHR

Sep-12

County of Herefordshire

We already knew that September is the predicted date Doesn't mean it will happen then, could be before or after. It's just a placeholder date

Edited by deleted (Sat 28-Jul-12 23:36:27)

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

I don't need to post, then there will be nearly no updates in the thread. At least what I post is on topic in the Fibre forum.

Most threads go off topic, it is human nature. i see no reason once you are posting regularly that you can't register on the site. it causes less confusion and yes i know you don't have to post and I know some people will find the posts interesting.

Coluld you also create an Allpay thread for discussion on their wireless serivce provision, that too would help.

There is one in the wireless broadband section.

In reply to a post by funkyboy:

so whos on allpay broadband in herefordshire

Around 400 people,

In reply to a post by brettuk:

We already knew that September is the predicted date Doesn't mean it will happen then, could be before or after. It's just a placeholder date

A friend of mine was chatting to a engineer and he said it should be around September, but they got problem with some cabs and blowing the fibre down in some places.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Coluld you also create an Allpay thread for discussion on their wireless serivce provision, that too would help.

There is one in the wireless broadband section.

Maybe a link would help? I don't see one in

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/mobilebroadband.html
or
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/wirelessbb.html

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:
i have no idea if the fibre itself is up here or not, but I presume it is not, no sticker on cab either, some people in other parts of the country says about stickers from BT openreach being put on the cab advertising super fast broadband.

They don't put stickers on until it's live.

that explains it then.

Where I live the cab has no sticker but is live.

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Coluld you also create an Allpay thread for discussion on their wireless serivce provision, that too would help.

But only you know whether or not you are the only anon poster in a thread. To everyone else every post by an anon could be someone else.

Personally I wouldn't be able to stand the huge number of adverts an anon sees, the inability to tailor how the forum appears in terms of layout, (through the favourite thread and post lists and the three sets of options at the bottom of My Home, and the captchas every time you want to post. The whole user experience is hugely better when registered, even if all you ever do is read.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Coluld you also create an Allpay thread for discussion on their wireless serivce provision, that too would help.

There is one in the wireless broadband section.

Maybe a link would help? I don't see one in

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/mobilebroadband.html
or
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/wirelessbb.html

You are not looking hard enough it will not be in mobile as it is not mobile, but it is in wirelessBB.

Here is the link

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

But only you know whether or not you are the only anon poster in a thread. To everyone else every post by an anon could be someone else.

Personally I wouldn't be able to stand the huge number of adverts an anon sees, the inability to tailor how the forum appears in terms of layout, (through the favourite thread and post lists and the three sets of options at the bottom of My Home, and the captchas every time you want to post. The whole user experience is hugely better when registered, even if all you ever do is read.

Captchas are a pain, I hate the things, if i was nt registered and had to use captchas all the time I would give up. also the use of free chat is good, which unregistered users can't use, even if Free chat is not as good as it used to be.

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Can you change the title to include "hereford FTTC part 2" please

it is in the fibre forums, so I guess people will know it is to do with Fibre, with a bit of other stuff in, I don't think it is possible for users to change the title, i expect it can be done via the Admin side, but not really worth it.

Well you've just changed it for your latest post, and it can be edited within the normal 12 hours like the body of the post. IIRC the request was well within that timespan.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Well you've just changed it for your latest post, and it can be edited within the normal 12 hours like the body of the post. IIRC the request was well within that timespan.

i know you can change the title on a post, but i did not know about the whole thread.
anyway i only just saw the message about it, must have missed it.

Never mind, not the end of the world yet.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Coluld you also create an Allpay thread for discussion on their wireless serivce provision, that too would help.

But only you know whether or not you are the only anon poster in a thread. To everyone else every post by an anon could be someone else.

Personally I wouldn't be able to stand the huge number of adverts an anon sees, the inability to tailor how the forum appears in terms of layout, (through the favourite thread and post lists and the three sets of options at the bottom of My Home, and the captchas every time you want to post. The whole user experience is hugely better when registered, even if all you ever do is read.

There is now one less. I'd mostly only been posting anonymously as my account here is quite aged, but having managed to recover the password recently I'll see how long the cookie remain cached or I remember the password

I hadn't noticed any advertising, but it's probably being filtered out.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Can you change the title to include "hereford FTTC part 2" please

it is in the fibre forums, so I guess people will know it is to do with Fibre, with a bit of other stuff in, I don't think it is possible for users to change the title, i expect it can be done via the Admin side, but not really worth it.

It's a matter of getting things right for the search function to work. for example it's hard to find your Allpay thread because the word allpay does not appear anywhere in it!

Edited by deleted (Sun 29-Jul-12 16:43:18)

thats alot no wonder why there are going to speed the network up

In reply to a post by Lorian:

It's a matter of getting things right for the search function to work. for example it's hard to find your Allpay thread because the word allpay does not appear anywhere in it!

It does, but i forgot that AllPay is one word and not two, as AllPay as a word do not exist.

In reply to a post by funkyboy:

thats alot no wonder why there are going to speed the network up

Yep, but it is not about speed as such it is the bandwidth that is the problem.

i very few people are using the service, then the speed is there, but as soon as too many start using it like now with kids off school, it slows down.

Been okish for me mind you, but more bandwidth will not hurt.

Edited by zyborg47 (Sun 29-Jul-12 18:14:48)

Here is the link to the cabinet map

http://tinyurl.com/hereford-fttc

Here is a link that points to the latest Streetworks document that shows any cabinet or ducting work over the next week or two.

http://www.herefordshire.gov.uk/transport/road_path_...

It generally gets updated once a week on Mondays

In reply to a post by asbokid:

Returning to Hereford, drawing a circle with radius 3,000 metres around the exchange encompasses almost the entire city. [4] However, the city is cut in half by a large river (Wye) which perhaps poses problems with E-side routing, extending the average loop length, maybe?

Some E-side is routed via the MDF sited by the Cathederal..

There is some aluminium and overhead cabling in D-sides on the extremities of the circle.

Edited by deleted (Sun 29-Jul-12 19:51:14)

Aha! Thanks Lorian. So maybe the laws of average are in force? The extremist minority on the city outskirts with the aluminium are dragging down Hereford's broadband reputation?! No matter, all to be solved soon enough with FTTC. Well deserved merriment for the Openreach engineers once they've finally fibred the city! Complimentary Weston's Cask-Matured Vintage Cider (Alc 8.2% vol.) for every engineer, surely?! Should sort the men from the boys!

cheers, a

In reply to a post by Lorian:

There is now one less. I'd mostly only been posting anonymously as my account here is quite aged, but having managed to recover the password recently I'll see how long the cookie remain cached or I remember the password

I hadn't noticed any advertising, but it's probably being filtered out.

You should have a look at last past Allows you to store your passwords online, normally I would not trust these type of services, but lastpast is really good and as secure as you are going to get as it is all encrypted.

You can use it with Crhome, IE, and Firefox and i think with opera and safari as well, even works in Linux.

Relying on cookies is not a good idea anyway and I normally delete all cookies after a session anyway.

In reply to a post by Lorian:

In reply to a post by asbokid:

Some E-side is routed via the MDF sited by the Cathederal..

There is some aluminium and overhead cabling in D-sides on the extremities of the circle.

The cable to my house at the college estate goes back from telephone exchange to the old exchange and then back up to me, which is why the speed we get around here is not that great via ADSL, It was worse once BT updated the exchange to ADSL2+.

At least with FTTC people will have a choice, they can keep with the speed they got or go for a faster speed, well i suppose some will, I expect some places will not have FTTC.

i must admit chatting to friends and mates, most of them that only got about 5 megabits with ADSl don't seem that interested in FTTC. even when I telll them they can get around 40 megabits or more, they seems to think they don't need it.

Sure there are some who are waiting and think it will be good, because they got a family and everyone uses the net at the same time.


one of my brothers I think will get it, he gets a good speed now since he moved, it is only him and his wife, but they do use the net a lot, ok he uses the net a lot

if it was not BT equipment i may have waited before going for wireless, but I think with me the chance of getting rid of the line rental was the bit that did it.

Some twit called dave has moved all the spots all over the place on the north part of the city, i've fixed the one on kempton aveune but there's loads wrong now too.

some one been moving the cabs around

Thanks for the heads up

I've PM'd Brett to see if he can revert the changes as he's the map creator I beleive.

Looks like a petty minded act of willfull vandalism.

In reply to a post by funkyboy:

some one been moving the cabs around

Vandalism it would seem. I've PM'd Brett to see if he has access to revert the changes.

Hi Folks,

I've at the moment prevented anyone from being able to edit the map. However there doesn't seem to be a way to revert changes a user has made, it seems pretty limited
I've reported the problem to Google, however I doubt they will care.

What an absolute [censored], I'm fuming at how he's just come along and ruined our map for no reason. :/

If you could PM me your email address Lorian and I can add you as a collaborator, same to anyone else who would like to edit it

Edited by deleted (Mon 30-Jul-12 13:40:15)

Shame. I was about to compliment you on your work of mapping the cabinets. How did you do it? Through physically eye-balling them all? Is there a way to dump the coordinates of the cabinets, to save them?

Is anyone taking photos of the equipment inside the new cabinets? Presumably it's Huawei? The SmartAX MA5616 MSAN, maybe? [1]

cheers, a

[1] http://enterprise.huawei.com/ilink/cnenterprise/down...

Edited by deleted (Mon 30-Jul-12 15:17:26)

Three sources of information. 1 an anonymous benefactor who placed the cabs based on postcode. 2. update based quite a lot of observations (I get out more than most), 3. Dragging and drop the rest using google streetmaps.

I have found away to backup the locations now, but the damage is done. If we can be motivated we will fix it.

It's not gloomy here though - I have an update from the streets (quite literally):

"Fibre is in to most of the new cabs already"
"We might be live in as little as 2 weeks."

The cab I looked in earlier today was one of the Huwaei 288's (although perhap it only had a 144 pair frame and some space). It had Power, quad fibres and tie-cables all in place. The fibres came from black and yellow containement, presumably to ward off copper theives. Could easily have been the MA5616 MSAN of which you speak, certainly looked like it.

The smaller cabinets are of a different design to some that have been posted, I haven't seen inside one, but I suspect they might offer 96 connections as when they have been marked up on the pavement in a couple of locations I've seen 96 painted. Wouldn't bet my life on it.

Lots of the work appears to be done by Carillion/Telent.

Yeah, the responses I'm getting from the Google Forums seem to suggest there's nothing we can do now (bit of a major failure in Google's implementation I think!), however as you said we can backup.

I'll try and correct cabinets I come across, but it's more cabinets I can see unfortunately, I have no data as such

Looks like you're getting VIP treatment from Openreach! (perhaps that explains the Google Maps vandalism - politics of envy?!)

Below is a small album of photos of the Huawei SmartAX MA5616. This is the MSAN unit that is currently being installed in the Huawei FTTC street cabinets across Blighty. [1]

These photos were taken/belong to Walter Willcox.

BT has opted for a quite sophisticated battery backup system. The power board on the MSAN itself is 48VDC only. Some photos of the MSAN (PDIA) power board module are here. [2] Uninterrupted power is provided to the MSAN by some hefty cells at the foot of the cabinet.

The Huawei 288 cabinet has capacity for two MA5616 MSANs, each supporting four VDSL2 line cards, providing per MSAN a total of 192 ports at 17MHz.

cheers,
a

[1] http://asbokid.picturepush.com/slideshow?alid=221284...
[2] http://asbokid.picturepush.com/slideshow?alid=204548...

Edited by deleted (Mon 30-Jul-12 18:32:47)

Indeed, I noticed 3 or 4 large grey-topped cells in the bottom of the cab.

some work being stared on southhome road today must be readying for a new cab and seen work done on abbotsmeads rd cab 48

If you look at the map now you can see the true extent of the damage. I've moved most of the PCPs that "Dave" vandalised off to two groups.

It will take quite some time to repair manually.

If the annonymous benefactor who imported the original locations would be so kind as to PM me the file I could merge the co-ordinates for the messed up cabs in a few minutes. Annonymity assured of course.

I made a backup a while back and have restored it here...
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=21...

You guys will need to update it a little...

Most of the south-side green cabs are now in the right places, I'll do some more later.

perfect thanks, I'll export the KML, will updated it and upload to the original map, a bit later this morning.

We owe you a virtual pint. Dave's paying for it.

Edited by deleted (Tue 31-Jul-12 08:31:18)

Glad to see you've sorted your map, I'd previously replied to the Bretts PM prior to reading this thread.

I's all done, Brett has a file in his inbox to upload and then we are back to where we were.

Edited by deleted (Tue 31-Jul-12 12:40:02)

I've imported the old backup. Some of the statuses will be out of date, but at least the cabinet locations are correct (the most time intensive task!)

Status are all back to what they should be now.

Plus one more green Cab in Westfailing Street.

Also they are digging the foundation for the Cab nearest the exchange at the back of Sainsburys/ Can't imagine how that will be viable economically, they people must have 16Mbs already, they can see the Exchange from there.

Edited by deleted (Tue 31-Jul-12 15:21:11)

How is that fair! Still awaiting the cabinet on Kempton ave where I get 3mb if lucky, but the lucky ones who get 16mb are having theirs done. Argh! Lol

Cabinet PCP 80 on Westholme Road Belmont went in today. That's my local one - yippee!

Cheers,
Rich

theres 2 new ones i have seen one at belmont road opposite the shop on the coner and one on south home road

waiting for my to be done cab 73

Ok the southholm/wesholm one is marked green, which is the one by the shops?

Hi folks - quick question.

Are all the yellow cabinets to be upgraded, or just showing where they are?

Am at top end of Quarry Road, Tupsley (about 150m from St Pauls Church).

Very, very much hoping for fibre broadband - current connection aint great at all.

How does one determine which cabinet serves your house? None seem all that close.

BT's checker seems to think end of September and around 50mb download, 11ish mb upload (which is around 20 times better than I'm getting now).

is there a allpay forum

In theory all the yellow ones are in this initial roll-out. But based on hearsay (from an engineer) they are deploying 3 less cabs than we have total green+yellow (ignoring the 5 SCPs as I assume only their associated PCPs will get fibre cabs)

If the BT checker says you are getting it, that's the most positive news you can get.

Quarry Rd has several postcodes:

HR1 1SL cab 25
HR1 1SS cab 25
HR1 1ST cab 26
HR1 1SU cab 7
HR1 1SX cab 7

I'm guessing you are in HR1 1SS therefore your cab 25 is here:

http://tinyurl.com/pcp25

In reply to a post by Sigaldry:

Hi folks - quick question.

Are all the yellow cabinets to be upgraded, or just showing where they are?

Am at top end of Quarry Road, Tupsley (about 150m from St Pauls Church).

Very, very much hoping for fibre broadband - current connection aint great at all.

How does one determine which cabinet serves your house? None seem all that close.

BT's checker seems to think end of September and around 50mb download, 11ish mb upload (which is around 20 times better than I'm getting now).

Edited by deleted (Tue 31-Jul-12 21:28:42)

In reply to a post by brettuk:

How is that fair! Still awaiting the cabinet on Kempton ave where I get 3mb if lucky, but the lucky ones who get 16mb are having theirs done. Argh! Lol

Yea so annoying that im less than 10m away from it too =) (infact joint closest with one other house up for sale next door). The existing pcp cabinet is on private land technically so that may might the holdup.

Does anyone know which cab services hr27jj?

Depends what door number, could be 85 or 9

And out of luck if it's 85

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

In reply to a post by brettuk:

How is that fair! Still awaiting the cabinet on Kempton ave where I get 3mb if lucky, but the lucky ones who get 16mb are having theirs done. Argh! Lol

Yea so annoying that im less than 10m away from it too =) (infact joint closest with one other house up for sale next door). The existing pcp cabinet is on private land technically so that may might the holdup.

They will have a wayleave agreement for it. the interesting thing will be where they site the FTTC cab, you want it as close to the existing cab as possible,

I dunno, it's making me nervous. There's no mention of the Kempton Ave PCP on roadworks.org - while it is showing work due to start in the next month elsewhere in town, of course that data could be outdated etc? Knowing my luck, we're not going to get it after all this :/

Doesn't help that Hereford Council still haven't released their Streetworks documents for the week....

u wil get it

It will be fine. look at east of the City, they look like they are being left to last.

Sheridan road gone green by the way. There they have sited the cab quite away from the PCP, presumably because of it's proximity to private land belonging to the near by flats.

Yes I was sad enough to divert and look there this morning.

Well I wouldn't worry but after you said 3 are being left out and someone else mentioned potential problems with the company who's land the pcp lives, it is a bit scary!

cab 48 is now instailed

so some one tle me what they doing for broadband down rotherwas id they art doing the cabs down there they need it down

Door 119

The unlucky postcode is HR2 7JH

If your postocde is HR2 7JJ you have a small chance.(22%)

Put your phone nymber in to the grey box half way down on the right:

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProduc...

to find out

updated on map

new cab in at belmont number 96

In to August now, what will be done to the upgraded cabs in order for them to go live? Seen western power around a few cabs but does that take a while to implement once they start, or is it like a couple of days per cab?

Power to a cab depends on the nearest local power source, usually they dig a trench in between the source and cabinet and put the ducting/cable in.
A second vist is to then connec the cabinet to the power source, this can be over a few days or weeks.

Here is a guide to a FTTC cab install.

http://beusergroup.co.uk/technotes/index.php?title=D...

New streetworks has been published today (thursday) for this week... bit late Hereford Council!

http://www.herefordshire.gov.uk/transport/road_path_...

Updated the dots on the yellow symbols.

Another week of nervous waiting.....

Two or three more gone green too, up to 31 cabs spotted now on the map.

Marked two I saw earlier, up to 35 now (recounted)

cab 32 has been done

Marked it on the map

In reply to a post by Sigaldry:

Hi folks - quick question.

Are all the yellow cabinets to be upgraded, or just showing where they are?

Am at top end of Quarry Road, Tupsley (about 150m from St Pauls Church).

Very, very much hoping for fibre broadband - current connection aint great at all.

How does one determine which cabinet serves your house? None seem all that close.

BT's checker seems to think end of September and around 50mb download, 11ish mb upload (which is around 20 times better than I'm getting now).

I live in the house right by the exit of St. Paul's Church and we are connected to cab 25 on Church Road so I am guessing you probably are too if you're that close. Currently we get 1.9 down and 0.7 up and the estimator says 45mbps down with fttc so it's going to make a huge difference!
I did see an Openreach engineer working on cab 25 last week but there's definitely no sign of any new cabinets there even though it was listed on the council's website for planned road works. Same situatuion for the cab by my mum's house just off Vineyard road, the roadworks were planned and I saw some vans there but no sign of any physical changes

Lorian, cab 75 is here

Thanks, that's much better.

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Lorian, cab 75 is here

some one tel me why ist evey cab going to be upgraded then ?

Cab 37 done

And Cab 9.

Rapidly approaching half-way through the cabs now.

In reply to a post by NaughtyNic:

Cab 37 done

In reply to a post by funkyboy:

some one tel me why ist evey cab going to be upgraded then ?

in my opinion there are several reasons:

3 were not in place when BT originaly planned the roll-out, no doubt will be subsequently mopped-up

6 are in Town and mostly connect to commercial premesis.

9 or 10 primarily serve industrial estates.

6 or more fall into the not-so-obvious catagory

Each cab is reported to cost several 10's thousands of pounds to install. Openreach need to be sure enough people will buy the fibre server to make sure they make their money back and hopefully make a (small!) profit.

For the PCP's that connect shops and commercial buildings there is a two-edge sword making them not so ripe for fibre installation. On the one hand not so many private premesis to buy fibre services, and on the other hand they server business who may ceases expensive (read profitable) leased line contracts to take more cost effective fibre. Very annoying if your house is served by one of these.

In the not-so-obvious catalgory It's well, not-so-obvious! Perhaps they are omitted due to the predominant economic profile of attached premesis meaning they are less likely to take-up fibre serverices, poriximity to the exchange, pohibitive costs to run new ducts or fibre in particular places.

Edited by deleted (Sat 04-Aug-12 17:20:59)

More likely theres just not enough customers connected to some cabs, i know of one cab in hr that only has 20 houses connected to it!
If i were a planner i'd make these under utilised cabs into scp's off bigger cabs nearby. I doubt this will ever happen, either bt planners are not smart enough or more likely these systems and processes theyworkto are just not flexible enough.

Is the one with 20 houses on the "to do" list? I'd assumed PCP31 was the lowest d-side count and that looks to be maybe 40/50+ houses. Which is it?

I thnk the physicaly smallest PCP is on one of the trading estates (Faraday rd I think) and that's just a post.

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

More likely theres just not enough customers connected to some cabs, i know of one cab in hr that only has 20 houses connected to it!
If i were a planner i'd make these under utilised cabs into scp's off bigger cabs nearby. I doubt this will ever happen, either bt planners are not smart enough or more likely these systems and processes theyworkto are just not flexible enough.

I'm not in Hereford but my cabinet has had a sticker in it for well over a month now yet it is still not live and according to a contact I have within the FTTx programme office it is not due to go live until sometime this month.

The Openreach posters are put up by openreach staff in their spare time, their not a sign of a cabinet being live, the only way to know if a cabinet is live is to check a BT number on the BT wholesale asdl checker.

Even more cabs listed in streetworks today. And ducting work. Will update the map later unless Brett beats me to it.

In reply to a post by Lorian:

Even more cabs listed in streetworks today. And ducting work. Will update the map later unless Brett beats me to it.

Before brett says it - still no Kempton Avenue

Indeed, fingers crossed for him.

Lots of cabswith yellow markers with black dots now.

Also, they mention one cab we don't have, maybe it's missplaced, should be one near the cock of tupsley - (441 ledbury road)

dose any one know how long it wil take to instail the new fiber braodnand once it gose live dose a bt engineer comes to your house and dose it for you or is it pug and play

It's an engineer install and I think it takes 2 weeks + from ordering to installing.

And I have my fingers crossed too! It seems as though they're just trying to cover huge areas but leaving some behind which will hopefully end up being done in the next couple of weeks as after this week most areas should be covered!

Cab 55 looks like it's now finished.

Cab 8 also done now, and by the looks of it they are also doing cab 26 but it looks like it may be installed on the opposite side of the road to the current one.

They Have started on the cab on vineyard road now

can you please confirm the location of 26, ot sure if it's correct on the map.

It is correct, yes - it's at the end of Vineyard Road where it meets Hampton Park Road.

OpenReach Van in the centre of high town today, looks like splicing loads of fibres crossing high town. I'll post a picture later.

Lots of cab updates today. 7 more cabs in place, well over half way now.

http://tinyurl.com/hereford-fttc

There are probably more of the yellow dotted cabs that should be green.

Street works is out.

Another week, another lack of kempton avenue

[censored] - they leaving it to last or something?

If they even bother doing it this time around, it was mentioned earlier than some cabinets aren't going to be done this round it seems... :/

Also my internet has been down since Friday, got an engineer round to look at it tomorrow. BT are claiming it's not their line, yet my ISP says it is... blah let the blame game commence.

Edited by deleted (Mon 13-Aug-12 13:08:23)

Map updated.

There is an optomistic sign for you, the cab in three elms road is scheduled.

Also, there are two other back-fills south of the river they have previously ignored.

Plus at least 2 of the cabs are listed twice with differing descriptions.

I did see that, I'm not sure how that's good news for us though?

It means the fibres aren't so far away....

Oh okay I see where you're coming from, although the closer Grandstand Road cabinet was one of the first ones to be done

I'm convinced I saw them running in cables less than 40 m away (more near the bend) from the existing cabinet months ago same time they ran some on aylestone hill. I could have completely got it wrong though.

Someone I know from bt keeps telling me its depends where the managers live to what gets done first, but somehow I cant see that 100% true.

so not many people wil get the fiber broadbnand if they not doing all the cabs got friend who libes in hr4 9ye and hes cab is noting going to be done but i see there one done bye canonmoor street am i right thinking that all the houses in bye the court yard wil be connected to the that one in canonmoor street

Why don't you try asking in English?

It is English (local Herefordshire dialect).

HR49YE appears to be fed on direct exchange lines, if this is the case the prospect for FTTC is very poor.

Started on PCP 25 today

i do i just type to fast

I've had a bit of good news, I had a BT engineer fix my internet which died, he ended up replacing the master socket and filter with the newest filters (FTTC compatible, one less job for the installers!), and I asked him about FTTC. He said he thought I was on Cab 34 (grandstand road). I then found out that a certain user on this board can check which cabinet you are on, and yep I'm definitely on Cab 34 which has been done!

That's made my day

Apologies to the other Kempton Avenue guy on this thread that I can't give you the same good news

Edited by deleted (Tue 14-Aug-12 14:01:02)

Phew! that's a relief %-)

Yeah cab 25 is being done today which makes me very happy seeing as it's the one that I'm connected to!

Just driven practically underneath cab 25 as it was floating in the air being unloaded off the back of the van!

In reply to a post by brettuk:

I've had a bit of good news, I had a BT engineer fix my internet which died, he ended up replacing the master socket and filter with the newest filters (FTTC compatible, one less job for the installers!), and I asked him about FTTC. He said he thought I was on Cab 34 (grandstand road). I then found out that a certain user on this board can check which cabinet you are on, and yep I'm definitely on Cab 34 which has been done!

That's made my day

Apologies to the other Kempton Avenue guy on this thread that I can't give you the same good news

still no sign of it being done either even know its on the list. Also checked bt's infinity checker and saying 30 September so still hope

Cab 25 in!

Added to map.

I think they turn up in batches, so it probably means others are in too, but I won't be anywhere near the currently sheduled sites for weeks now, so if anyone sees others please post them up and we'll update the map.

Cab 9 and adjacent fibre cab has been worked on yest and today.

Post deleted by Lorian

Cab 27 now finished, opposite Tesco Express in Tupsley.

Updated PCP16, the new unit is installed, but still being worked on.

so my friend who lives in hr4 9ye can only get 15 mb then whats the pointn of having fiber then if no one can get it

15 mb isn't a bad speed, I've been stuck on 2Mb since 2002 or so, and I'll be able to get fibre, and I think it's about time!

I'm sorry your friend can't get it, but it's good for those of us that can, and he can get a semi decent speed for now, until whenever BT decide to improve it, which I'm sure theyll have to eventually.

Can I just say Herefordshire council sucks - still no update on streetworks, would be great though if btopenreach was open about what cabinet is being done when but that's not going to happen either!

Yeah they are slow sometimes, the other week it took them till THURSDAY to post the streetworks for the week, so practically when the week had finished.

Has anyone heard any updates on potential live dates?

I'd kill for 2 meg lol . i get 1.1 at the moment but according to the fibre checker that will go up to 53.7 .. hurry up and do it people it was suppost to be here end of june

Cab 7 now done (opposite the rose and crown) and the Openreach van is down Church road again today doing some more work on cab 25, which is a great sign

Hi, can someone tell me which cabinet I am on?
HR1 1XE

47,44 or 83?

Thanks in advance.

BoX

Possibly a little disappointing it's actually cab 26 which is a little further away from you. (it's still a lot nearer to you than my cab is to me!)

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Hi, can someone tell me which cabinet I am on?
HR1 1XE

47,44 or 83?

Thanks in advance.

BoX

What a joke, streetworks still isn't out for this week... and it's FRIDAY LUNCHTIME!

Get a grip Herefordshire Council!

In reply to a post by brettuk:

What a joke, streetworks still isn't out for this week... and it's FRIDAY LUNCHTIME!

Get a grip Herefordshire Council!

Fill this in and they will no doubt update it.

http://www.herefordshire.gov.uk/council_gov_democrac...

They do read this, the facility does work.

Added 4 more green cabs to the map

http://www.tinyurl.com/hereford-fttc

the deployment reaches an interesting milestone:

25 ish cabs left to do, of which around half are probably installed (and not reported) or in progress. this leaves only about 12/13 left to schedule, based on past perfromance this is maybe 2-3 weeks work.

Notwithstanding any works we can't see of course.

Noticed OR in middle of high town again today (presumably) running tests on fibres.

I did email them once (couple of weeks ago), they just gave a 'We'll reply within 10 days email' and never got a response at all. Meh

When do you think we'll go live then?

In reply to a post by brettuk:

I did email them once (couple of weeks ago), they just gave a 'We'll reply within 10 days email' and never got a response at all. Meh

When do you think we'll go live then?

The complaints address is monitored for sure.

Fingers it ill be enabled soon. '

In reply to a post by Lorian:

Added 4 more green cabs to the map

http://www.tinyurl.com/hereford-fttc

the deployment reaches an interesting milestone:

25 ish cabs left to do, of which around half are probably installed (and not reported) or in progress. this leaves only about 12/13 left to schedule, based on past perfromance this is maybe 2-3 weeks work.

Notwithstanding any works we can't see of course.

Noticed OR in middle of high town again today (presumably) running tests on fibres.

Some cabinets like the one on aylestone hill they seem to take there time on, others seem to go up and done with a few days.

Still no sign of the one on kempton avenue though

Hi all, been reading this with interest!

We've been eagerly awaiting faster broadband as we are lucky to get 2mb here and can't watch youtube clips or download anything large etc.

We are cab 67 and they have gone right up to our estate (Goodwin Way is our road) but then stopped...

According to the map it's not in the roll out but we cannot see why. We are close to Rotherwas but the cab doesn't serve that and it's a fairly large housing estate.

Can anyone tell us why we may have been missed and where does the information on the map come from, please?

Also, has anyone managed to get a cab added to a roll out?

Thanks in advance

I would *guess* it's down to non economic viability. It's physically a much smaller PCP than most in Hereford.

If I was in your position I would try an email to [email protected] and ask them why your cab is not included (include your telephone number and address). If they respond saying its deemed not econmical, you could try asking them if you could help by drumming up local interest - leafleting etc.

Edited by deleted (Fri 24-Aug-12 18:12:54)

In reply to a post by Lorian:

Possibly a little disappointing it's actually cab 26 which is a little further away from you. (it's still a lot nearer to you than my cab is to me!)

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Hi, can someone tell me which cabinet I am on?
HR1 1XE

47,44 or 83?

Thanks in advance.


Thank you for the speedy reply.Shame it wasnt closer
Still, it will be a welcome upggrade.

BoX
BoX

In reply to a post by Lorian:

I would *guess* it's down to non economic viability. It's physically a much smaller PCP than most in Hereford.

If I was in your position I would try an email to [email protected] and ask them why your cab is not included (include your telephone number and address). If they respond saying its deemed not econmical, you could try asking them if you could help by drumming up local interest - leafleting etc.

Thanks for your reply.

We have just emailed openreach and will let you know what they come back with.

Does anyone know how many houses is deemed economically viable, or how they work that out?

Another three green cabs spotted today.

OR say they are in final stages of comissioning, so with luck we will be able to place orders soon.

http://www.tinyurl.com/hereford-fttc

Edited by deleted (Mon 27-Aug-12 16:09:38)

Interesting, where have you heard that from? Think we'll be early sept (around the 13th?)

Horse's mouth, but not given an exact date.

Also two more green cabs added to map today.

Plus one yellow that looks like it might be slightly delayed - opposite side of the dual carriage way to what used to be Jessons.

Edited by deleted (Tue 28-Aug-12 16:24:37)

I think we might be Live, I was able to place an order with SKY yesterday but the ordering system is broken and today the BT checker says I have an available speed of....

That being said I just checked My bro - in laws and his still says 30th Sept.

Mine is HR4 0QQ and that works... very odd

In reply to a post by Cloister:

I think we might be Live, I was able to place an order with SKY yesterday but the ordering system is broken and today the BT checker says I have an available speed of....

What post code were you using? My postcode still says 30th september too HR4 0EG

In reply to a post by Cloister:

That being said I just checked My bro - in laws and his still says 30th Sept.

Mine is HR4 0QQ and that works... very odd

What I did yesterday was order through sky, their online ordering system is broken so I initiated a web chat session where they said they would get it sorted hopefully overnight then I decided to ask BT so I did a chat session with them.

They told me that I was due to be live on 30th Sept and thats what the checker said as well. They also said they didn't know how sky was able to offer it to me if they themselves couldn't so I assumed it was a fault with the sky ordering system but upon checking this morning the BT checker says I can get it.

I called sky this morning who said their ordering system should be back up around 3 - 4 this afternoon so I will probably give them a call after lunch time and see if my order can progress then, I will keep this thread updated as to my progress. I am still expecting someone to come back to me and say it was a mistake though.

I just checked HR4 0JG no 199 which is near by and thats also working so it seems that people on my cab seem to be able to order which is PCP 15.

I checked your postcode on the bt checked and it still says the standard 30th September. Are you sure it's fibre you're ordering from Sky? Tried with my number and no dice

You can check for yourself just put in 199 for the house number and HR4 0JG Which is 199 westfaling street - this isn't my address but it's attached to the same cab PCP 15.

I have taken screen shots of the various checkers and a shot of my sky order page

http://www.hct.ac.uk/downloads/canorder.jpg

Wow okay, fair enough! Looks like they are starting to switch us on!!!

Marked it on the map as live!

Thats interesting - use the address checker, the postcode checker does indeed say 30th Sept.

Which should really reflect the fact that it isn't enabled yet so how could I get it?

http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/adsl/ADSLChecker.address

Like I said I'm not expecting anything to come of it at this stage.

The phone number is more accurate

yeah, but I'm not with BT so that makes it difficult, although sky say I can upgrade and they have my number with them...

Gonna call them up in a minute

Let us know how it goes!

My cab is live too!

In reply to a post by brettuk:

Marked it on the map as live!

changed it from blue to purple

Edited by deleted (Wed 29-Aug-12 12:16:22)

How long do you think it will take for the rest of us to go Purple (for the cabs that are green)

Don't know, I would just be guessing. Can't be long though.

I have raised my order, will see if it gets through.

dose any one know when is cab 73 going to be done has i am conected to that one

No idea, sorry

I've tried a few postcodes around town and none are saying accepting orders, even for a cabinet I know is! It seems this is very early days and the BT Checker is slowly being updated.

Also we haven't been mentioned on the twitter feed yet: https://twitter.com/openreach_news

So hopefully cabinets will be popping up live over the next few days.

I suppose the question is beginning to be, which ISP you going with? I'm thinking BT Infinity or Sky?

P.S. I think Hereford council have given up on Streetworks, last released one was for the 13th

Edited by deleted (Wed 29-Aug-12 13:46:45)

Probably the person responsible for streetworks is on holiday.

I've ordered through Plusnet, my existing ISP and My install date is scheduled for about 2 weeks time.

Jammy get!

Well I have sky TV + Phone, so upgrading is free installation and £20 a month so I am going to stay with them.

Well I called them back twice and they tried to put my order through but there is a technical issue still with the ordering system.!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I want my install date!

I'm currently with sky and have the full package except movies, have been a customer for about 13 years. Haven't got broadband with them currently but do you think they'll give me a good deal on the broadband / phone line? Or will it still be cheaper to go with BT (Would rather sky since i've heard better things about their fibre service)

if you live in town then yes but i am on sky myself and they cant give me no broadband and no fiber but bt can give me 1.5mb not sure what about the fiber broadband speed the speed checker hast been updated yet

but i am with allpay got 10mb waiting for a speed increase to 35 mb should be done next month i hope or might go with bt and see what speed i can get has i amliving in allensmore hereford post code is hr2 9bp

Use the address checker

http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/adsl/ADSLChecker.Addres...

Put your address in there and it will tell you what you can get. but I dont think you'll get any better than what Allpay have to offer with BT.

Cloister

I'll believe it when I see it.

I've found about 10 cabs taking orders so far. all marked on the map

http://www.tinyurl.com/hereford-fttc

This is not exhaustive or particularly methodical, but based on spot checks it looks like the cabs taking orders roughly equates to the first cabs installed.

The fact I've found 10 should in no way be used to perpetuate the myth that 10 cabs are required to put an exchange live. That just happens to be where I stopped checking, it's time consuming, there will be more no doubt;

Edited by deleted (Wed 29-Aug-12 21:10:50)

Interesting... think they'll all start going live over the next couple of days in a similar order to when they were installed?

Also that seems to map out with what I've tried. I've tested a few of my old addresses all in the north and all not switched on yet

Edited by deleted (Wed 29-Aug-12 21:15:19)

well after a few phone calls to Sky and being told I absolutely can't get fibre I have just received an email with confirmation of my order, says about 10 to 15 days....

We'll see.

In reply to a post by funkyboy:

but i am with allpay got 10mb waiting for a speed increase to 35 mb should be done next month i hope or might go with bt and see what speed i can get has i amliving in allensmore hereford post code is hr2 9bp

i still got 22 months on my all pay contract, so i will be staying with All pay, going to update to 10 megabits as 35 is not available in the city, it will come at some point I think.

With BT putting their line rental up next year maybe I made the right choice. Not really bothered about FTTC to be honest, if I was then I would have waited, getting away from Bt network is a big advantage.

Yes we know as you keep mentioning. This is a FTTC thread, not all pay so if you're not interested in FTTC then why do you keep posting?

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Yes we know as you keep mentioning. This is a FTTC thread, not all pay so if you're not interested in FTTC then why do you keep posting?

Totally agree stop plugging them

That's a good sign.

If I understand the process (at least from my ISP's perspective) They check the cab is taking orders, then accept your order. They then apply to OR for a slot for the install, and when that's confirmed it's communicated back to us. Plusnet let's you pick the day, but says it's subject to OR's confirmation withing a few days.

If you are lucky OR turn up on the agreed date.

Yeah, it's the same for Sky - They asked me to choose a preferred date and will get back to me with what date I will actually get.

I'll be [censored] if OR don't turn up on the day as I have to take a days holiday for this.

I hate waiting with no dates! I'd much rather order now and have an install date penned in than having to check the checker every day! Torture

In reply to a post by brettuk:

I hate waiting with no dates! I'd much rather order now and have an install date penned in than having to check the checker every day! Torture

At least you know your cabinet has been done - i'm not going to even mention which one im waiting again =).

Cab 53 accepting orders..

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

At least you know your cabinet has been done - i'm not going to even mention which one im waiting again =).

You could email [email protected] with your address and Telephone number,, asking if there is a problem with your cab. They seem firendly and swift to resond.

Edited by deleted (Thu 30-Aug-12 16:26:54)

Woke up this morning and checked, my cabinet is now live )) will be ordering tonight! I'll update the map later (on iPhone and can't update it here) unless someone gets there first!

Yay! grats! it's good to be ordering! I just cant wait to hear I've got an install date then it'll feel more real.

I've had people say "Why are you upgrading you get 10Mb already is that not enough?"

I'm just disappointed I can't get 80, though 33 will do me just fine.

Just completed my order too (Cab 57) so hopefully get an install date early next week!

OT: With every positive comes a negative. Broken down on the way to work! nvm

In reply to a post by brettuk:

OT: With every positive comes a negative. Broken down on the way to work! nvm

PCP 34 accepting orders

Cab 37 Now Accepting Orders

Ordered sky fibre broadband install date 18th Sept

Edited by deleted (Fri 31-Aug-12 12:13:41)

Ordered, install date 21st Sept

Mine's supposedly the 17th but I'm not being smug. I love being a guineapig.

Edited by deleted (Fri 31-Aug-12 16:59:29)

More cabs taking orders updated on the map, up to 21 now

http://www.tinyurl.com/hereford-fttc

ARRRRRGHHHHHH!

Sky are being really really bad! I've just posted on the sky forum with ALL the problems with my order. I was the first of us to to notice it was availabel and STILL I don't have an order placed properly

What are your ISP's I'm considering moving!

http://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Fibre-Unlimited/What...

Get freesat and move to Plusnet, and save about £30 a month

I ordered through BT

In reply to a post by Cloister:

ARRRRRGHHHHHH!

Sky are being really really bad! I've just posted on the sky forum with ALL the problems with my order. I was the first of us to to notice it was availabel and STILL I don't have an order placed properly

What are your ISP's I'm considering moving!

Sorry to hear ur having probs mate, ordered through sky with no probs hope u get sorted soon

Two more cabs gone green today

http://www.tinyurl.com/hereford-fttc