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and according to the little icon - the check of system and apps - everything will work
That is really interesting given that quite a few of my programs won't run on Win 8.1 according to that upgrade assistant and at least one device will have serious and possibly fatal problems
Note that this includes Office 2003

Please note Jim that Office 2003 is no longer supported and may not work as expected on windows 10 if at all

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Support-has...


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So why does the app check fail to flag it up - that is the gripe I have not the fact that it won't work
This makes the check useless as I have no idea which of my programs just won't work or won't work properly

Edited by deleted (Tue 02-Jun-15 13:08:39)

I cant say myself that can only be answered correctly by a Microsoft engineer in the main Microsoft forum
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/win...

Now this is really interesting in relation to Photoshop CS2
I went to https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibilit...
For Win 7 recommend upgrade
For Win 8 compatible newer version available
For Win 8.1 compatible no action required
For Win 10 Technical Preview compatible no action required

Edited by deleted (Tue 02-Jun-15 15:07:28)

My Win 8.1 PC doesn't have that little Windows icon in its taskbar. So I looked at the Windows 10 FAQ which said I had to be running "Windows 8.1 Update" and directed me to check my version which said "This PC is running Windows 8.1" w/out the "Update".

Yet my PC is fully up to date (*). So for what reason could I possibly not be running "Windows 8.1 Update"?

* except for 1 Windows Update which keeps failing to install since 27/03/15: Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems (KB3000850). Could that be the reason? How do I get it to install?

Edited by XRaySpeX (Wed 03-Jun-15 03:13:42)

That's the very update needed. When it fails to install you will see an error :0xabcdefgh where 0xabc... is the error code number you need to google for the solution

Is it that you were not able to run Office 2003 in Win 8.1 but the indication was that you could in Win 10? I had understood that Office 2003 was no longer compatible even with Windows 7 so I now have Office 2013 which I dislike in many ways.

On Win 8.1 (64-bit) I can run Word 2002 (dunno about rest of Office) and Excel for Win 95 and they do everything I want .

When the time comes I shall try them on Win 10.

EDIT: Having now looked at Compatibility Center I see that Word 2002 is compatible up to & incl. Win 10, but Office XP 2002 is not even compatible from Win 7. Yet Word 2003 is not compatible from Win 8.

Edited by XRaySpeX (Sun 07-Jun-15 06:17:05)

I use Office 2003 on Win 8.1 with no problems, it has been installed since August last year and I use word and excel every day.

Oh right! Hmm not sure how I got the idea Office 2003 was incompatible.

In reply to a post by rob54:

Oh right! Hmm not sure how I got the idea Office 2003 was incompatible.

Because you are somewhat right, it isn't officially supported or recommended. Some stuff doesn't work and it can also cause problem with user account control IIRC (or that could have been when running it on Windows 7), as well as introduce security vulnerabilities.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2777626

In reply to a post by Moto:

That's the very update needed. When it fails to install you will see an error :0xabcdefgh where 0xabc... is the error code number you need to google for the solution

Thanks. From a preliminary glance it looks like this is caused by buying a PC with Win 8 pre-installed and updating to Win 8.1 a few days later either from WU or the app store and it requires some sort of Refresh to fix it.

I was waiting for later this year to buy a new Desktop with Win 10 pre-installed. After this episode I wonder whether I should wait till they come with Win 10.1 pre-installed rather than upgrading to it later .

Funnily enough, this is the 1st time I've switched this PC on since your reply and now the little Windows icon in the taskbar has appeared, altho' KB3000850 is still failing and I'm still not running Windows 8.1 UPDATE. I guess this is because MS has officially announced Windows 10 now available as free upgrade.

Looking forward to it. Wonder if it'll be the last Windows system I use though, especially if SteamOS gathers speed and more games get converted to Linux...

In reply to a post by MrTAToad2:

Looking forward to it. Wonder if it'll be the last Windows system I use though, especially if SteamOS gathers speed and more games get converted to Linux...

God help us all.

Well, Luddites at any rate...

I have been using Office 2003 with Win7 Pro 64bit for the last twelve months with no problems. If anything, Outlook 2003 is more stable compared to WinXP Home.

Office 2003 appears to be running in the (x86) section.

Cheers!

I have been invited to attend the reception for the launch in London and hope that it goes off with a successful evening and that to all of you who are upgrading the process runs smoothly and that you enjoy windows 10 to its fullest.

Edited by NICK_ADSL_UK (Tue 14-Jul-15 19:02:07)

Its going to be an interesting experience...

In reply to a post by MrTAToad2:

Its going to be an interesting experience...

I hope so

i been using Windows 10 a while on a second drive, but I do not think I will use it permanently. there are a few things I do not like, i still hate the start menu, awful thing and the way the settings are split up and trying to find where certain settings are is like looking for a needle in a haystack. The fact that Ms wants more control over their updates is another problem.

I also do not like that MS is trying to get people to use their apps, also I am not really that fond of the look of windows 10. Also the amount of notifications is getting on my nerves.

Getting close now build 10240 is out and the watermark has been removed. I can only find one bug and that is windows phone 8.1 remoted desktop cant find my win 10 desktop and they have removed the feedback app to report this.

Whats driver/hardware support like for Win 10? Are the vendors releasing new drivers already to be compatable?

In reply to a post by Banger:

Getting close now build 10240 is out and the watermark has been removed. I can only find one bug and that is windows phone 8.1 remoted desktop cant find my win 10 desktop and they have removed the feedback app to report this.

i have got 10240,
I had to link Windows 10 to my MS account to get it, now I will unlink it.,

how to update to 10240?

checking on windows update says no build available (i am on 10040) and also the win10 insider key has been banned, my win10 pc got deactivated and key banned.

In reply to a post by bobble_bob:

Whats driver/hardware support like for Win 10? Are the vendors releasing new drivers already to be compatable?

I am just using the win 10 drivers and everything seems to work. Although I am being nagged to update the NVIDIA driver.

On the other topic of remote desktop not working I had an online chat with ms answer desk and they gave me a phone number for an ms tech, but I haven't called it yet.

Solved my remote desktop problem, it needed to be made public on windows firewall so now I can access win 10 from my Windows Phone.

As for withdrawn keys I'm not sure windows update works without activation, try change product key and use a windows 8 key.

If you are on the fast track change it to slow then try (may need to restart)

I cannot, in the gui where the option is, its missing from the settings. I suspect it only shows if activated.

Also trying to install 10166 and its waiting forever on "wait a moment" googling shows this as a common issue, what a mess of an OS.

I certainly wont be wasting any retail keys on this until I can test it.

hit the hardware reset button, it carried on after that.

I am now able to get to the desktop, as expected I Cannot activate tho but am now at least on a newer build than before.

So the bad news?

1 - seems I been kicked out of insider program.
2 - will I ever be able to activate after july 29? who knows
3 - the install wasnt clean, having to hit the hardware reset button is not ideal, is possibile something didnt configure properly as a result.

On this build I do now have access to the fast/slow ring settings but because microsoft cut people off no update is detected.

I am on a pro build so can see the defer updates setting box. No idea how this deferal works given it cannot even detect any updates at all not even on the normal windows update.

Its the keys again. Search for the 10166 keys and change them I think www.tenforums.com may have them. I was on 10122 and got no response from windows update for the new build, it just kept searching and searching and I couldn't do anything else so hit the hardware reset.

After that it wouldn't boot with a DPC_watchdog blue screen so I restored a backup to the win 10 partition and tried to upgrade by mounting the 10166 ISO and running setup to do an in place upgrade. At this time windows update found the new build 10240 so I cancelled the in place upgrade and went with the windows update.

Took about 45 mins to upgrade to 10240 and I like how the new browser Edge inserts apostrophes into wouldn't and couldn't in your posts.

I'm currently trying to see if WMP has the codecs to play recorded tv on my Panasonic HD recorder. Win 10 can browse the HDD but cant seem to stream the content only up load. Over wireless its taking ages to upload from the recorder.

I also tried VLC to view HDD recorder content but again that had to be uploaded and it played it, although there was a 0% stuck in the middle of the screen, the modern app seems still a bit buggy.

Edit: I am also on pro and I read somewhere that deferred updates are for 8 months to give business a chance to prepare but after that installed.

Edited by Banger (Tue 21-Jul-15 01:37:31)

well I now have a homebrew 10240 iso, as it turns out since I got the 10166 iso from the same place that was also possibly a homebrew iso as well.

The keys I used successfully on 10166 i got from here (but activation is blocked).

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/wiki/insi...

Today I will install 10240 from the homebrew iso using the published 10240 keys and want to check the following.

1 - will the 10240 keys activate.
2 - will I have the removed timebomb as others have reported.

For now I will forget about the weird install hang forever issue given it was a homebrew iso, and clean installation of 10240 isnt even supported, its a upgrade only install officially.

ok new development.

windows update has detected build 10240 and its currently downloading.

So I am holding off the clean 10240 install currently.

Question tho if i may.

For the first time ever I used a microsoft account for signing in, my microsoft account has a very complex password, not designed to be typed in but is copied and pasted from a secure clipboard in my password manager.

However it seems windows 10 requires this password to authenticate on it instead of having a separate local password, is there a way around this apart from enabling automatic login?

Edited by Chrysalis (Tue 21-Jul-15 11:30:48)

after updating to 10240 I managed to change the key, but the key is blocked by activation servers, so there is no way to activate insider keys currently.

also edge sucks compared to IE11.

From what I can see all of the following are missing.

No options to toggle tls 1.1 1.0 1.2 etc.
No options to toggle gpu acceleration
No options to set file cache location (I like to use ram disk)
No security zones
No tracking protection lists
No addons
No advanced cookie settings
No per domain settings
No options to adjust certificate verification
No options to adjust UTF-8 and IDN
No toggle for crash protection
No tab options

Basically edge feels like a mobile orientated app, as it uses the "modern" interface.

Edited by Chrysalis (Tue 21-Jul-15 13:09:40)

I've not tried Edge, might give it ago at some point.
I did an upgrade from Win 8.1 and the key copied across.

well IE11 is still on win10 so its not a big issue currently, but I expect microsoft wont upgrade IE11, and it will eventually be obselete.

e.g. to me choosing the cache location as well as adjusting if its used or not is a very basic feature I expect from a browser but its missing in EDGE (possibly might be a hidden option somewhere tho).

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

i have got 10240,
I had to link Windows 10 to my MS account to get it, now I will unlink it.,

And when you unlink it you get
"The information associated with your Microsoft account still exists"

I ended up creating a new user, logging in with my MS account on the new account
updated it to final build then deleted the new account.

Not sure on a workaround for the complicated password problem maybe auto logon is the way to go.

Solved my problem of remote desktop on my Windows Phone. The win 10 ethernet was on a public network where remote desktop is blocked. Had to change to a private network by turning on device discovery in modern settings then I could connect. Seems public network is default.

As for keys they are going to disappear after 29 July, a new activation model is being rolled out that is device specific.

You can set up a 4 digit pin instead of using the more complex email password. Like yourself I have a nightmare password to type correctly and using a simple 4 digit pin is far superior.

Its in settings, accounts, sign in options, PIN

Once that is set up and when you log in next chose your log on type at start up

In reply to a post by DavidFinbarr:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

i have got 10240,
I had to link Windows 10 to my MS account to get it, now I will unlink it.,

And when you unlink it you get
"The information associated with your Microsoft account still exists"

Not sure what you mean there, i just put the computer back to a local account. i do get the odd notice about the insider build settings are not correct.

I ended up creating a new user, logging in with my MS account on the new account
updated it to final build then deleted the new account.

Ok.

i am not staying with Windows 10 anyway, i have it on a second hard drive, I still have 8.1 as my main windows Os

In reply to a post by derekdel:

You can set up a 4 digit pin instead of using the more complex email password. Like yourself I have a nightmare password to type correctly and using a simple 4 digit pin is far superior.

Its in settings, accounts, sign in options, PIN

Once that is set up and when you log in next chose your log on type at start up

Forgot all about the PIN, I think that is in win 8 too have just set my win 10 to PIN.

well as it turns out I converted my account to a local account and the windows store still works, as well as onedrive, so thats fine.

That's interesting, wonder if they can still bill you on a local account for the store.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

well as it turns out I converted my account to a local account and the windows store still works, as well as onedrive, so thats fine.

That is strange, but you are correct, I tried it and yes Onedrive works and so does the store.
I have now unlinked one drive, but I find it a bit worrying that while I think my computer is unlinked from my MS account it is truly not.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

That is strange, but you are correct, I tried it and yes Onedrive works and so does the store.
I have now unlinked one drive, but I find it a bit worrying that while I think my computer is unlinked from my MS account it is truly not.

Didn't you get the message ""The information associated with your Microsoft account still exists"........"
when you unlinked your MS account?

it does work, but then an alert pops up stating to carry on using insider builds I need to switch back to a microsoft account.

So probably be fine for the release version, but not for inssider testing.

In reply to a post by DavidFinbarr:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

That is strange, but you are correct, I tried it and yes Onedrive works and so does the store.
I have now unlinked one drive, but I find it a bit worrying that while I think my computer is unlinked from my MS account it is truly not.

Didn't you get the message ""The information associated with your Microsoft account still exists"........"
when you unlinked your MS account?

i did not see it, but i linked back up and then unlinked and I saw it then.

Anyway I found out how to stop the store working and one drive.
Go to settings, click on accounts and then your accounts and at the bottom is other accounts you use and it will list your MS account. Click on remove and that is it. gone and dusted,.
I tried to download something from the store and it would not allow me unless I put in my MS account, one drive have vanished from the task bar and if I click on the one drive folder in Explorer it will ask me to sign in.

Sorted

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

it does work, but then an alert pops up stating to carry on using insider builds I need to switch back to a microsoft account.

So probably be fine for the release version, but not for inssider testing.

i still get the pop ups about insider builds,

1 day 10 hours and the RTM will be rolled out down the pipes to Insiders with 7 and 8.1 users upgrading later.

It's quite exciting!

In reply to a post by MrTAToad2:

It's quite exciting!

You must lead a sheltered life

Working on the principal, if it aint broke don't fix it, I will leave my Win 7 alone. I hate to think which drivers etc will stop working with 10. But in particular my copy of Maxivista, which allows remote use and control of a second computer.

Turned on my Vista machine this morning and it has an icon (the four slanting blocks) in the System Tray that says "Get Windows 10" when I hover the cursor over it.

I don't know if it launches a download or what, or just gives me a page of info and options, so haven't clicked it. The machine does all I want, so I don't think I'm interested. I'll probably "Hide" the icon.

My understanding is that it allows you to sign up. Then, when 10 is released it will download it and give you the option of installing.

However, might find out something very different tomorrow and discover that all my machines upgrade of their own accord - hope not as I want to do some for testing before installing it on my "main" devices.

It's started

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-has-begun-pre-l...

Yes, I have 4.14Gb of files - download started at 8am this morning.

You have to laugh!

I've taken little interest, so what got me probably won't get you. It was the video on this page.

In a fairly slick demo and talk he almost made it sound as if bringing back everything they dropped when the went to Windows 8 was from original thinking by the W10 designers.

Noo_^ooo. You reversed a major cockup and gave the stuff a pretty, more modern face.

The most hilarious bit was the ability to have huge tiles each with a major application in, such as a presentation you are creating in one and the data in another couple.

WOWWWW! D'oh!

It's
called
Windowwwwwsssss man!

You know; the reason it's called Windows? That you tried to exterminate and largely succeeded in W8. Which was only redeemed by ignoring W8 and using the desktop option 98.948% of the time.

Edited by RobertoS (Tue 28-Jul-15 22:42:29)

The video is interesting. It's almost as if they realise that half of the 'issues' around Windows are tech bods demanding advances...but advances to what? To users being afraid to use a product that is totally alien to them.

Will a touch screen make Excel better? Will a new interface speed up my productivity? No. Quite the opposite. We got a sneak preview of this with Office 2007 and the ribbon. It was productivity-unfriendly. People had spent years learning the shortcuts, only to have them disappear.

I installed a free hack to enable the old menus mind.

Happy for new features, but they have to be improvements. Making the monitor round, or calling the mouse a chihuahua is not progress. All these mobile-friendly sites are getted slated by the people that actually use them (generally folk with monitors). Mobile browsing might be fine for some, but it's not the be all and end all. It's the 'on the move' thing.

...and don't get me started on WinSxS.

Edited by camieabz (Wed 29-Jul-15 00:47:17)

As an infrequent user of Office products I find the ribbon menus completely incomprehensible, when the claim was they are intuitive.

Nothing is in the right place or grouping. Change a Word page layout, alter its line spacing, set the default font. That sort of thing.

All used to be something like three clicks to be on the appropriate settings page, and all the required tools to do it all on the one page were there.

Now it's five minutes finding each tool by trying all the likely groups, then you may do one click to be in it, or more. Then off hunting for the second tool you want.

The good bits are the ones that were always easily found and still are. Because they are roughly in the same place as they've always been. Things like line horizontal alignment and justification, bold, underlining, italics and so on.

Excel spreadsheets. Geez! Just getting column default content settings done with required type of formatting is a nightmare, though I'm beginning to remember it. Anything like this can be learned, but intuitive it most certainly isn't.

as an insider when will I be able to activate?

apparently only activated insiders will get the RTM.

In reply to a post by camieabz:

Making the monitor round, or calling the mouse a chihuahua is not progress.

One of the Reviews that I read, concerning the new Browser ("Edge"), was full of praise of how it was virtually no different from every other Browser!

Huh? If it is not any different, why waste all the time to develop it then?

So far, according to my "Update-History", it has failed twice!

Edit:-
Make that FOUR times!!

Edited by deleted (Wed 29-Jul-15 08:41:35)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

using the desktop option 98.948% of the time.

My first task after getting 8.1 was to find out how to boot to the desktop so it's 100% in my case. I do occasionally accidentally see a strange set of images (some call them tiles I think) but hitting the "windows" key quickly puts that right.

How large is the Win 10 OS update? Internet could be fun and slower than normal if millions are updating.

Windows updates can slow the internet down on patch Tuesday

In reply to a post by bobble_bob:

How large is the Win 10 OS update? Internet could be fun and slower than normal if millions are updating.

Windows updates can slow the internet down on patch Tuesday

Well the pre-download Folder ($Windows.~BT) is 6GB, but this doesn't appear to include that actual Operating System as the Sub-Folder (NewOS) is still empty! However, I've seen references that the next d/l is about 3GB (but don't quote me)!

Apparently I've had 1 failures to update to Windows 10 so far - it looks like there are going to be problems...

The video recommending a clean install did rather suggest to me they weren't at all confident about in-situ upgrades. He laid it on quite strongly, without going into the messiness of the backup and selective restore he mentioned in a very off-hand way as an aside.

A very "Blue Sky" video. A favorite MS color.

Edited by RobertoS (Wed 29-Jul-15 14:11:21)

It looks like the actual OS will be downloaded tomorrow or so...

Other than those on the Insider Program (or similar), has anyone actually been upgraded today?

So far it is looking like a big non-event!!

In reply to a post by johnjburness:

Other than those on the Insider Program (or similar), has anyone actually been upgraded today?

So far it is looking like a big non-event!!

MS do a poor show.
No pictures of idiots queuing in the wind and rain just to be the "first" to get a new product.

Edited by deleted (Wed 29-Jul-15 21:42:01)

In reply to a post by johnjburness:

Other than those on the Insider Program (or similar), has anyone actually been upgraded today?

So far it is looking like a big non-event!!

Im on the insider program and I have the upgrade icon on my 8.1 tray but havent seen the upgrade ready balloon yet. I have the downloaded folders on my machine but just upgrade failed in wu history.

I have done one machine thats not in the IP and was impatient to see the RTM so I used the media creation tool from here and downloaded the ISO that way and mounted the ISO in Win 8.1 and ran setup to perform the upgrade. All went sweet apart from activation I had to hammer the activate button about 30 times to get through to the server. Apparently that's the way to do it or use a script. Anyway activated now but I did get a rather strange email saying I had reached my Device limit for the store.

Using contact us in Win 10 I got an chat with an answer tech who said to ignore the email as he could only see 1 device on my account although it was just after activation.

In reply to a post by DavidFinbarr:

MS do a poor show.
No pictures of idiots queuing in the wind and rain just to be the "first" to get a new product.

LOL. It looks as though it's downloading to my PC - lots of disk activity and the upgrade icon has gone from my notification area.

In reply to a post by herbgold:

the upgrade icon has gone from my notification area.

I'm waiting on both a Desktop & a Laptop, but the current status appears to be different for both of them:-

UPGRADE ICON:-
Still present on my Desktop, but gone from my Laptop

HIDDEN $Windows.~BT Directory:-
Present on my Desktop, but NOT my Laptop

"Windows 10 Upgrade Reserved" message in W.U. Box:-
Disappeared from Desktop, but still present on Laptop

"Update to Win 10 Failed" message in Upgrade History:-
So far have 14 on my Desktop, none listed on my Laptop.


Not particularly convincing nor consistent, so far!

Nothing here. Looked at my update history in Windows Update, and it says "Upgrade to Windows 10 Home" Failed a few times. Should I be worried?

In reply to a post by johnjburness:

Other than those on the Insider Program (or similar), has anyone actually been upgraded today?

You don't need to be on the Insider Program you can trick Windows Update into downloading it immediately(assuming you reserved a copy).

I used the Windows update trick to download it yesterday(couldn't be bothered to join the Insider Program). Downloaded fine, installed fine, booted to the desktop and everything looked OK - however when I tried to launch apps I often got a non-stop busy icon. Googling suggested my install may be corrupt - not sure why that would be - suggested solution, complete reinstall.

So re-imaged my HD(2 hours ), downloaded the 10240 ISO, re-installed from DVD(not updates). This time the install works and am using it now.

Moral of the story, you can make Windows Update install immediately but I'd suggest installing from DVD/USB may have a greater chance of success.

I was on the Inside Program - suppose I still am but deleted the build as it slowed my antique E6300 to a crawl!

I managed to download & install w10 - I clicked on the reserved email FAQ link and hey presto.... W7 replaced with a rather uninspiring W10.

Notable problems I had were no sound, this I traced to the Realtek device manager, for some reason W10 does not copy over the sound card settings for the speakers.. The other is that clicking on Edge, or the feedback link, there is a noticeable delay before anything happens and then a further delay whilst the screen "thinks"...

Updated my AMD Catalyst driver and I am asked to do a reboot to finish off the update, [censored] this must have been the longest ever - 35 minutes following the restart before I could get on and use the PC. What a waste of time.

Oh and one more thing - have a look in your update history - I had 4 Security updates within the first 2 hrs (if you can call it that) of use. I'll be rolling back to w7 very soon and when I pass this antique on to my kids to use, I'll be running a Linux distro on my new box.

Not at all!

I couldn't wait until Microsoft thinks it should be downloaded, and forced the download to start...

I must say the Microsoft have done a marvelous job in limiting bandwidth problems...

Forced upgrade didn't work - still get the failed update error (80240020). It would be really nice if Microsoft stated what it meant, but with the NewOS directory being empty, I presume the actually OS still isn't available

In reply to a post by MrTAToad2:

Forced upgrade didn't work - still get the failed update error (80240020). It would be really nice if Microsoft stated what it meant, but with the NewOS directory being empty, I presume the actually OS still isn't available

I got fed up of waiting and downloaded the windows 10 media creation tool. I used it to put a 64-bit image on a 4 Gb usb stick. When it had finished I ran setup.exe and after an hour had an activated windows 10.

In reply to a post by Moto:

In reply to a post by MrTAToad2:

Forced upgrade didn't work - still get the failed update error (80240020). It would be really nice if Microsoft stated what it meant, but with the NewOS directory being empty, I presume the actually OS still isn't available

I got fed up of waiting and downloaded the windows 10 media creation tool. I used it to put a 64-bit image on a 4 Gb usb stick. When it had finished I ran setup.exe and after an hour had an activated windows 10.

Did you use your old Win8.1 Key, or did it just pick it up from the existing Installation?

I did not enter any key. The way it works I think is it recognises that the O.S. being upgraded is activated so it creates a new key that is stored in the Microsoft store. There is no key visible in windows 10. After the key is stored in the Microsoft store, you can subsequently use the image created by the media creation tool to do a clean install.

Edited by Moto (Thu 30-Jul-15 12:53:39)

Yes, I think thats the way to do it now.

I have already done one installation with the media tool and sick of waiting so may as well do my main machine with the tool - here goes nothing.

Couple of glitches but now up and running, one screen/mouse freeze and a reboot but all seems ok now. Cortana didn't work until a reboot either!

It took a couple of hours - you do meet the Black Screen Of Worry, which after a long wait was replace with the Install Screen Of Relief.

Had a couple of emails from Microsoft, this morning.

Basically these were suggesting that the Win 10 Update could be weeks away & that I could always use the Media Creation Tool instead!

I had the same email. I ran Win update this morning on one of my devices and it immediately started downloading Win 10 - it is now 22% through upgrading Windows.

Nothing in the Update area for Windows 10, so it'll be a Media Creation upgrade.

Edited by deleted (Fri 31-Jul-15 10:36:16)

Did you follow the link earlier in the thread?

Mine has now finished the upgrade and it runs pretty well on this cheapo 7" tablet.

Certainly did! Busy downloading now. I had hoped that it would have been available "normally", but I'm not going to wait weeks for it...

I quite like this screen : Something Happened

Its short and sweet and utterly uninformative (I know what happened, and really the program should know too)... That is the problem with Microsoft (and Apple really) : they may have people designing User Interfaces, but they need people on User Information.

Edited by deleted (Fri 31-Jul-15 11:16:30)

I feel upset now, I didn't get that screen

You didn't miss much

I didn't get that, alas, but my own favourite uninformative message was, halfway through reading its stuff off a memory stick, it suddenly told me that it couldn't read any more, as it didn't have the driver installed (I paraphrase). I took the memory stick out and my machine restarted and finished the install.

Weird! Could be a bug or it removed a driver for some reason...

I did the upgrade directly from the executable, rather than any external media. Saves worrying about whether the SD Card will be wiped or trying to find a DVD...

In reply to a post by MrTAToad2:

I did the upgrade directly from the executable, rather than any external media. Saves worrying about whether the SD Card will be wiped or trying to find a DVD...

I was undertaking a direct install but, because of limited Drive Size (its a Tablet-type device), it insisted I use a USB!!

I did mine on a tablet this morning but it had plenty of space. The old windows install following the update took up about 6GB of disk space - quite a chunk compared to the disk size on some tablets.

Take that 6GB, plus the actual install of the new windows plus the 2GB+ that it downloaded to do the install and some tablet disks will be somewhat inadequate.

In reply to a post by ian72:

I did mine on a tablet this morning but it had plenty of space. The old windows install following the update took up about 6GB of disk space - quite a chunk compared to the disk size on some tablets.

Take that 6GB, plus the actual install of the new windows plus the 2GB+ that it downloaded to do the install and some tablet disks will be somewhat inadequate.

Mine had approx 11.5GB available, but the pre-Installation d/l approx 5GB (into 2 hidden directories) before it started the actual Install. Just before starting it stated that it needed at least 9GB - but suggested that this could be on a USB (which should be kept, if a roll-back was required).

Hence I proceeded on the basis of using the USB!

My upgrade was smooth apart from a screen freeze after setup.

I have also had a couple of nvidia driver crashes and recovery so I will try a clean install of the video drivers.

VMware player doesn't seem to work might need an update. So far that is all I have found.

Did you do your upgrade on the basis of "Upgrading this Machine" or "Upgrading other Machine" (i.e. in the 2nd case creating Media & then separately running that to upgrade)?

I carried out mine using the first method. However, I've now restarted on the basis of creating Media, which I will attempt to run tomorrow (far too late tonight)!

I upgraded from the mounted iso by running setup.exe on both machines.

Eventually I got there!!

In my original attempt I had tried the "Upgrade this PC" option.

This time I used the "Upgrade Another PC" Option to create a Media Device onto a brand new USB Drive.

I started setup.exe & it went into checking mode - after an amount of time, it failed as it alleged it was unable to create a Folder (it didn't bother to explain whether it was talking about a Folder on my C:\ Drive or one onto my USB).

Tried again - this time it decided that my USB needed scanning & repairing, before it would properly commence.

Using the Option of keeping NOTHING, I eventually got there!

Glad you got there eventually. Are you activated, some saying that they can't get activated.

Problem I had was with NVIDIA driver, it would keep crashing. So I searched the web and one solution was to run driver cleaner from Guru3d, and re-install a fresh copy of the latest driver. So far so good.

Other problem I have seen is settings won't run, and there is a fix but as you did a clean install you should be ok.

Things took an unusual turn overnight, woke up to a non responsive machine. Power was on so ended up doing a hard reset and it booted normally. Checking the event logs there is an entry at bootup that says the computer unexpectedly shutdown at 03.24. Nothing in the event log around that time so not alot to go on for debugging!

Think I have solved my freezing problem by removing a program called Speccy which eventually gave me a blue screen pointing to cpu-z an internal cpu diagnostic, so far so good.

Question: How do you get Cortana voice search set up?

Select Cortana and then the microphone icon. You may need to set that up, but after that it should work fine whenever Cortana is selected. If you want to activate it with joyous call of "Hey, Contana", you need to go into the Cortana settings and activate it there.

Still waiting for mine.

Why not download the Media Creation Upgrade system to do it, rather than wait.

In reply to a post by greyposter:

Still waiting for mine.

I haven't received any promised email, from Microsoft, but I've just noticed that clicking on the "Reserved" Icon now advises me that it is ready to proceed!

It says 'Cortana isn't supported in the region and language you've have selected'.

What language have you selected it to use?

English (United Kingdom)

Windows 10: Everything you need to know about Cortana
http://bgr.com/2015/08/05/windows-10-cortana-command...

I find all these posts very dispiriting.

It's clear that you guys are with it technically, and stand a good chance of hacking through whatever MS chooses to throw your way (I'm not!).

Yet MS wants all us noddies to update (upgrade???) as well - and then shows meaningless, unhelpful messages.

I was very keen to get away from v8.1, but will now leave it to you expert folk to sort out v10 before doing so.

Sorry about that.

Windows 10 service release 1 is coming next week with lots of fixes.

In reply to a post by NICK_ADSL_UK:

Windows 10: Everything you need to know about Cortana
http://bgr.com/2015/08/05/windows-10-cortana-command...

If I ever upgrade to Windows 10 for everyday use, that is one thing i would have disabled, plus the other spying stuff that is built into Windows 10

What's the "everyday use" got to do with it? Isn't turning it on sufficient for it to get most stuff?

Isn't even turning off all the grabs after letting it install with them all one a bit too late for some things?

That's assuming doing the Custom Install doesn't take what it wants as a once-off before disabling the grabs.

Banger - I rest my case!

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

What's the "everyday use" got to do with it? Isn't turning it on sufficient for it to get most stuff?

Isn't even turning off all the grabs after letting it install with them all one a bit too late for some things?

That's assuming doing the Custom Install doesn't take what it wants as a once-off before disabling the grabs.

I am still using Windows 8.1, windows 10 was on a old drive using the insider program, but that hard drive went belly up. When I say everyday use I meant if i updated my Windows 8.1 to 10.

But you are right, we have no idea what info is grabbed on install, but i do know one thing if i do update to 10, like Windows 8.1, i will never connect it to a MS account.