Got a letter from Zzoomm

As title, I got a letter from Zzoomm yesterday, just my address, but different from the normal stuff they send as this was in an envelope I presume because I went through the motions of ordering until I got to pick the day for installation.

anyway, they have offered a 500Mb/s for £24.95 for 12 months, which is pretty good I must admit, telephone offer only, also 1Gb/s for £29.95. Got until the end of this month to order if I want it.

But you don't want it or need it, so you keep saying.

Sometimes someone makes you an offer you can't refuse


Adrian knows he's going to have to go full fibre at some point.

In reply to a post by billford:

Adrian knows he's going to have to go full fibre at some point.

And we will all be relieved when he does

The benefit of him having a 2 year contract is we don't have to go through all this every year 🤣

Post deleted by XGS_Is_On

Do you seriously think this will bring an end to the narcissistic nonsense?

In reply to a post by billford:

Sometimes someone makes you an offer you can't refuse


Adrian knows he's going to have to go full fibre at some point.

But Adrian will then taste the speed of Zoooooooom and then want more and hence new posts of "how much speed doo i really need" 😂😂😂😂😂🙃

In reply to a post by cjn:

Do you seriously think this will bring an end to the narcissistic nonsense?

We can only hope but I'm not going to bet my life on it.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

...they have offered a 500Mb/s for £24.95 for 12 months, which is pretty good I must admit, telephone offer only, also 1Gb/s for £29.95. Got until the end of this month to order if I want it.

That looks like a very good deal. Also it would allow you to potentially keep the PN FTTC service until the end of June and hopefully the zzooomm FTTP broadband would be up and running within a few weeks from when an order was placed.

Good luck

In reply to a post by broadband66:

But you don't want it or need it, so you keep saying.

I don't, need it and youy are right I really can't be bothered with the hassle to get it installed, but as billford said, sometimes a offer can make you think differently. £24.94 is what I was paying before the price increase last month. The only two I have seen that are lower is Onestream and shell by about £2 a month.
50p a week, what can I do with 50p a week? I suppose I can buy a packet of cheap peanuts.

i have about 1 and a half weeks to make up my mind,

I also had a leaflet from BT yesterday as well, full fibre and something about now TV and netflix, but that went straight into the bin

In reply to a post by dect:

And we will all be relieved when he does

The benefit of him having a 2 year contract is we don't have to go through all this every year 🤣

12 months is 1 year, I said I will not go for a 24 month contract and I still stick with that

In reply to a post by 4M2:

That looks like a very good deal. Also it would allow you to potentially keep the PN FTTC service until the end of June and hopefully the zzooomm FTTP broadband would be up and running within a few weeks from when an order was placed.

Good luck

It is a good deal, if i went for it I would have it installed around the middle of next month, so I would still have a couple of weeks with plusnet, just in case it all goes belly up

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

It is a good deal, if i went for it I would have it installed around the middle of next month, so I would still have a couple of weeks with plusnet, just in case it all goes belly up

If you do go for a FTTP installation its probably a good idea to ensure that that the copper connection remains "live" if you want to keep it for a while. I emphasized that requirement to my installer, he did not disturb the copper connection, i.e. the drop wire, the BT66 external junction box and the internal NTE5, and it remained active during and post the installation.

In reply to a post by 4M2:

If you do go for a FTTP installation its probably a good idea to ensure that that the copper connection remains "live" if you want to keep it for a while. I emphasized that requirement to my installer, he did not disturb the copper connection, i.e. the drop wire, the BT66 external junction box and the internal NTE5, and it remained active during and post the installation.

ZZoomm will not be able to touch the copper connection, as they are not anything to do with openreach. But I am going to get rid of the extension behind the TV no matter what I do, it was only for sky many years ago when they required their boxes to be connected to the phone line.

i am going to pop out in a bit to get some trunking to put the cables in as they look a right mess under the shelf. that is for the router, modem, Alexa, a couple of hubs

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

As title, I got a letter from Zzoomm yesterday, just my address, but different from the normal stuff they send as this was in an envelope I presume because I went through the motions of ordering until I got to pick the day for installation.

anyway, they have offered a 500Mb/s for £24.95 for 12 months, which is pretty good I must admit, telephone offer only, also 1Gb/s for £29.95. Got until the end of this month to order if I want it.

May I ask a few questions please?
1) If you so desired, can you order an FTTP service at your address
2) Assuming you ordered FTTP, would you bring your landline over into digital voice
3) Are you currently a SKY subscriber
4) With FTTP installed, would you opt to receive all your TV channels over the internet
5) Would you opt for Broadband and Digital Voice with the same or different providers
6) With FTTP, what speeds would you select
7) What typically do you use the internet for
8) Your reasons for not using the Microsoft operating system
9) The number of pieces of equipment that are connected to your network
10) What sources of information do you use relating to computing in general

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

May I ask a few questions please?

thats more like a survey then a few questions and whilst I'm not Adrian, I wouldn't personally answer any of them

In reply to a post by Taras:

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

May I ask a few questions please?

thats more like a survey then a few questions and whilst I'm not Adrian, I wouldn't personally answer any of them

To put this into context, Adrian is a serial poster on TB telling us all so much of his installation setup and choices he makes with hardware and which ISP he may or may not subscribe to. Some of what he says, I would like to respond to but then realise I don't have the full picture to advise or comment upon what he says. I asked nothing that should rightfully be kept out of the public domain. I wouldn't ask the same questions (aka survey in your book) of anyone else.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

ZZoomm will not be able to touch the copper connection, as they are not anything to do with openreach.

So does that mean that they never use hybrid drop cables (i.e. copper + fibre optic) from poles to premises?

In reply to a post by 4M2:

So does that mean that they never use hybrid drop cables (i.e. copper + fibre optic) from poles to premises?

I doubt any of the alt-net’s would provision copper. Why would they? If an alt-net wanted to provide voice, it would be a VoIP service through either the router or an additional box.

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

May I ask a few questions please?

I’m not Adrian but I’ll give you some answers for my part of the UK.

1) If you so desired, can you order an FTTP service at your address
2) Assuming you ordered FTTP, would you bring your landline over into digital voice
3) Are you currently a SKY subscriber
4) With FTTP installed, would you opt to receive all your TV channels over the internet
5) Would you opt for Broadband and Digital Voice with the same or different providers
6) With FTTP, what speeds would you select
7) What typically do you use the internet for
8) Your reasons for not using the Microsoft operating system
9) The number of pieces of equipment that are connected to your network
10) What sources of information do you use relating to computing in general

1 - Not yet, waiting for an alt net, but have Virgin cable.
2 - Not offered by the alt net, and no sign of Openreach in town, VM landlines are all “digital voice” from a few years ago, and I didn’t buy.
3 - no, used to be
4 - that’s a different product, SkyQ or older SkyHD still need dish. If you want TV over the broadband with Sky then you’re looking at Sky Stream (or the TV thing) with no recording, so vastly different.
5 - Its not often a choice, it depends what is offered. “Digital Voice” is probably a BT Service Mark from the Retail division. Others use different terms.
6 - The altnet building in my town has one speed for one price.
7 - A very invasive question - Everything
8 - A very invasive question - Felt like it
9 - A very invasive question - Lots
10 - A very invasive question - BYTE magazine in the 1980s, back issues via google. Invaluable.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by 4M2:

So does that mean that they never use hybrid drop cables (i.e. copper + fibre optic) from poles to premises?

I doubt any of the alt-net’s would provision copper. Why would they? If an alt-net wanted to provide voice, it would be a VoIP service through either the router or an additional box.

So, in all alt-net FTTP installations, if an end user wished to retain an active copper connection with another provider for voice and/or xDSL broadband, the original copper drop cable would be left in place and there would always be a separate fibre optic drop cable from the pole(s) to the premises?

In reply to a post by 4M2:

So, in all alt-net FTTP installations, if an end user wished to retain an active copper connection with another provider for voice and/or xDSL broadband, the original copper drop cable would be left in place and there would always be a separate fibre optic drop cable from the pole(s) to the premises?

In the same way you can have an Openreach voice/xDSL service and a Virgin Media service in the last 5 to 10 years. An AltNet FTTP is similar to Virgin Media, and not impacted by anything Openreach do. E.g. CityFibre or similar.

Edited by jchamier (Sun 21-May-23 15:35:17)

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by 4M2:

So, in all alt-net FTTP installations, if an end user wished to retain an active copper connection with another provider for voice and/or xDSL broadband, the original copper drop cable would be left in place and there would always be a separate fibre optic drop cable from the pole(s) to the premises?

In the same way you can have an Openreach voice/xDSL service and a Virgin Media service in the last 5 to 10 years. An AltNet FTTP is similar to Virgin Media, and not impacted by anything Openreach do. E.g. CityFibre or similar.

That's interesting - I can foresee that in some places and during an unknown period of time nearly every house in a street will be feed by two drop cables, possibly in most cases the copper being inactive

In reply to a post by 4M2:

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by 4M2:

So, in all alt-net FTTP installations, if an end user wished to retain an active copper connection with another provider for voice and/or xDSL broadband, the original copper drop cable would be left in place and there would always be a separate fibre optic drop cable from the pole(s) to the premises?

In the same way you can have an Openreach voice/xDSL service and a Virgin Media service in the last 5 to 10 years. An AltNet FTTP is similar to Virgin Media, and not impacted by anything Openreach do. E.g. CityFibre or similar.

That's interesting - I can foresee that in some places and during an unknown period of time nearly every house in a street will be feed by two drop cables, possibly in most cases the copper being inactive

And does it really matter if that is the case? It is probably not financially viable for it to be removed. All BT wants to do is to close down the voice based service over a copper pair. The redundant cabling could well have a future use to control services yet to be invented.

Many older houses such as ours are supplied via overhead line. The change seems to have happened about 45 years ago when ducts were installed. In my case the OR tech used the copper line to haul the fibre cable across the road and up to our gable wall, must have been around 45m. So no chance of using copper again. This method is being used to upgrade all my neighbours, this being an elderly neighbourhood in every sense of the word.

I guess rodding the duct wasn't feasible?

None do (as far as I am aware) because they don’t have the kit to provision copper based services. No exchange based voice. No FTTC.

A cut and draw technique is usually a lot easier than rodding

In reply to a post by Malwaremike:

Many older houses such as ours are supplied via overhead line. The change seems to have happened about 45 years ago when ducts were installed. In my case the OR tech used the copper line to haul the fibre cable across the road and up to our gable wall, must have been around 45m. So no chance of using copper again. This method is being used to upgrade all my neighbours, this being an elderly neighbourhood in every sense of the word.

Hi Malwaremike, I had to read this a few times so for clarity are you saying that properties newer than approx 45 years typically have ducting whereas your property is older than this meaning you have overhead?

Yes, sorry for confusion. Older houses (I stress in our area) are all overhead, newer properties since about 45 years ago began to have ducts installed during build. Hammerheads at end of street have one big Distribution Pole with spider's web of lines running to gable of each house. Our copper lines ran underground from cabinets then up to the original poles.

As I understand it OR first cleaned the ducts with copper in-situ, then installed the fibre beside the copper to the DP. As far as I have seen they use then the copper as a haul line to string the fibre replacement when required. This is the practice in my brother's area 12 miles on the far side of the city but I have no idea if it is general.

Certainly it would cause great disruption and cost a bomb to lay ducting in our old properties, many of which have overhead mains cabling as well.

And does it really matter if that is the case?

Pole loading will become an issue, particularly where there are multiple altnets + openreach operating fibre and copper off the same poles. Could see some properties with 3 or 4 drops with copper and a multitude of fibre drops, new and old , as people move between providers.

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

May I ask a few questions please?
1) If you so desired, can you order an FTTP service at your address

Yes, both openreach and an alternative network called Zzoomm.

2) Assuming you ordered FTTP, would you bring your landline over into digital voice

No, as I don;t use the landline and i have already got a VoIP service

3) Are you currently a SKY subscriber

Nope, not been one for over 15years.

4) With FTTP installed, would you opt to receive all your TV channels over the internet

I don't watch TV as such, I don;t have a Tv licence, i watch subscription streaming services, DVDs and Blue-ray.
If i did watch normal TV, I would not watch them Internet.

5) Would you opt for Broadband and Digital Voice with the same or different providers

As I said above, I already have a Voip system, supplied by Sipgate, so i suppose i already.

6) With FTTP, what speeds would you select

the cheapest, I don't rerally need high speed and as i have said before i am willing to stay with FTTc if the price is right, only looking at FTTP as ZZoomm have gave me a good offer.

7) What typically do you use the internet for

Browsing, email, chatting to people, streaming, downloading the odd game.

8) Your reasons for not using the Microsoft operating system

i still have a computer that runs Windows 10, but I only use it these days for the odd game, the reason I decided to go for a Apple Mac mini is because I wanted a change and also the mac mini is faster, quieter, use less energy and the Os is in my opinion better and less intrusive.

9) The number of pieces of equipment that are connected to your network

a lot, 5 Amazon Alexas for a start, two computers, mobile phone, Roku TV, printer a load of smart home devices. and my Voip

10) What sources of information do you use relating to computing in general

Not sure what you mean by this

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

To put this into context, Adrian is a serial poster on TB telling us all so much of his installation setup and choices he makes with hardware and which ISP he may or may not subscribe to. Some of what he says, I would like to respond to but then realise I don't have the full picture to advise or comment upon what he says. I asked nothing that should rightfully be kept out of the public domain. I wouldn't ask the same questions (aka survey in your book) of anyone else.

I have been with my ISP for around 6 years maybe longer, it is only recently that I have looking at changing providers.

In reply to a post by 4M2:

So does that mean that they never use hybrid drop cables (i.e. copper + fibre optic) from poles to premises?

That is correct, fibre only, I don;t understand why openreach uses hybrid since they don't get rid of the old copper cable

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

And does it really matter if that is the case? It is probably not financially viable for it to be removed. All BT wants to do is to close down the voice based service over a copper pair. The redundant cabling could well have a future use to control services yet to be invented.

it may not matter as such, but it looks awful, even with the 3 extra fibre cables from the pole by me it looks awful, certainly going past my window.

I don’t understand why Openreach uses hybrid since they don't get rid of the old copper cable

If you are going to have to replace the existing overhead copper span to provide FTTP, why not use a hybrid cable … so if a copper based service is required again, for whatever reason, the leg work has been done already.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

May I ask a few questions please?
1) If you so desired, can you order an FTTP service at your address

Yes, both openreach and an alternative network called Zzoomm.

2) Assuming you ordered FTTP, would you bring your landline over into digital voice

No, as I don;t use the landline and i have already got a VoIP service

3) Are you currently a SKY subscriber

Nope, not been one for over 15years.

4) With FTTP installed, would you opt to receive all your TV channels over the internet

I don't watch TV as such, I don;t have a Tv licence, i watch subscription streaming services, DVDs and Blue-ray.
If i did watch normal TV, I would not watch them Internet.

5) Would you opt for Broadband and Digital Voice with the same or different providers

As I said above, I already have a Voip system, supplied by Sipgate, so i suppose i already.

6) With FTTP, what speeds would you select

the cheapest, I don't rerally need high speed and as i have said before i am willing to stay with FTTc if the price is right, only looking at FTTP as ZZoomm have gave me a good offer.

7) What typically do you use the internet for

Browsing, email, chatting to people, streaming, downloading the odd game.

8) Your reasons for not using the Microsoft operating system

i still have a computer that runs Windows 10, but I only use it these days for the odd game, the reason I decided to go for a Apple Mac mini is because I wanted a change and also the mac mini is faster, quieter, use less energy and the Os is in my opinion better and less intrusive.

9) The number of pieces of equipment that are connected to your network

a lot, 5 Amazon Alexas for a start, two computers, mobile phone, Roku TV, printer a load of smart home devices. and my Voip

10) What sources of information do you use relating to computing in general

Not sure what you mean by this

Seems to me that your internet usage is not so much different from most of us on TB with one exception of being hesitant in moving over to FTTP, which happens to be available to you right now.

As I understand it your current contract with PlusNet ends soon thus making you entirely free to explore the market place for a FTTP deal that makes you happy.

There is no doubt, you could shoehorn yourself into a FTTP service for a similar price currently paid for FTTC. You immediately get reliability and with little hassle can upgrade to higher connection speeds if, and when, the need arises.

So why the need to create lengthy threads on TB on this straightforward issue? It is not as if you are seeking help and advice from others on the installation process of how a particular problem can be overcome,

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

So why the need to create lengthy threads on TB on this straightforward issue?

Really need to highlight threads in bold as we have seen a fair few from Adrian over the last 6+ months relating to the same subject matter. I suspect Adrian is using the forum more as a diary to register all his daily thoughts/actions.

"I don't have the full picture to advise or comment upon what he says."

Just search his posts and you'll be informed accordingly.

Is there a price point at which you would accept the "hassle" of people in your house?

In reply to a post by broadband66:

"I don't have the full picture to advise or comment upon what he says."

Just search his posts and you'll be informed accordingly.

And a very confusing picture emerges where facts are hard to come by.

It can't be that confusing as most of us know what Adrian's likes and dislikes are.

In reply to a post by broadband66:

It can't be that confusing as most of us know what Adrian's likes and dislikes are.

Well, you tell me, is his current ISP PlusNet or Virgin?
His FTTP options; an AltNet or something else?

Check his sig. It's not too difficult.

It's Plusnet.

There's an option on the forum on whether or not to see people's signatures on the forum and the person you're responding to might have that set to 'no'.

Didn't know one could switch off the viewing of sigs. Can't think what the benefit of that would be.

In reply to a post by broadband66:

Didn't know one could switch off the viewing of sigs. Can't think what the benefit of that would be.

There used to be some pretty long and annoying sigs for some posters, turning them off shortens the page length and could make it easier to read the content.

In reply to a post by broadband66:

Check his sig. It's not too difficult.

It could quite easily be out of date and probably is

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

If you are going to have to replace the existing overhead copper span to provide FTTP, why not use a hybrid cable … so if a copper based service is required again, for whatever reason, the leg work has been done already.

But they are not replacing the copper cable as it is still in place, all they have done is added another cable. so my next door neighbour now have two coper cables going to their house. i thought Openreach wanted to save money.

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

Seems to me that your internet usage is not so much different from most of us on TB with one exception of being hesitant in moving over to FTTP, which happens to be available to you right now.

As I understand it your current contract with PlusNet ends soon thus making you entirely free to explore the market place for a FTTP deal that makes you happy.

There is no doubt, you could shoehorn yourself into a FTTP service for a similar price currently paid for FTTC. You immediately get reliability and with little hassle can upgrade to higher connection speeds if, and when, the need arises.

So why the need to create lengthy threads on TB on this straightforward issue? It is not as if you are seeking help and advice from others on the installation process of how a particular problem can be overcome,

Plusnet ends at the end of next month, been with them for a few years now and apart from when there was a problem with the Openreach network it has been pretty reliable. Been on the go slow now and again, but I think that is down to saturation, something I doubt FTTP will solve. I did have a problem last week or was it the week before, but that was down to some config problem with the router. so most of the time it is reliable and works and sometimes it is better to stick with what works.

You say my internet use is about the same as other people here on TB, so why do these people on TB need super-duper high speeds for? I live on my own and two days of the week I am not even here and the place i go to have super duper speeds, but not so super duper for long, but still pretty fast

I did not creat lengthy threads, I just started them, it is other people that makes them lengthy

In reply to a post by broadband66:

Is there a price point at which you would accept the "hassle" of people in your house?

No not really, unless it was super cheap, like £10 a month, but that is not going to happen. Still thinking about one stream, their FTTc have gone down to £21 and all that require is a change of config on the router.

Some friends have ordered Zzoomm after I said it will be better than Talk Talk, which they are out of contract with, they are getting it installed next week.

Edited by zyborg47 (Mon 22-May-23 20:00:14)

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

It could quite easily be out of date and probably is

My sig is in Date,

I only think of good things when I hear the word Zzoomm Linky

In reply to a post by cjn:

Do you seriously think this will bring an end to the narcissistic nonsense?

Bit harsh. I'd run with egocentric.

In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

In reply to a post by cjn:

Do you seriously think this will bring an end to the narcissistic nonsense?

Bit harsh. I'd run with egocentric.

I am none of them and yes i do know what they mean.

I have ordered Zzoomm today, but only because it is the better deal,
Plusnet emailed me today 36Mb/s £26 a month on a 18 month contract. 18-month contract I can cope with and if zzoomm was not here I would have gone for it. But as been said £24 a month for Fibre is a good deal.
Being installed next Wednesday.
I really hope I made the right choice.

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy finally .......

But you dont NEED FTTP!!11oneoneone

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I really hope I made the right choice.

Good news, enjoy it!

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Good news, enjoy it!

Thanks, it has taken me long enough to decide.

@gorebrush, I don't need FTTP, everything I do now is using 36Mb/s, and it works for me. But after thinking about things, looking at prices and what I will get for the prices, it makes sense to go to ZZoomm.

Maybe if Plusnet offered me FTTc in the same price as I was paying before the prices increased and as 18-month contract, I would have stayed, less hassle. There are a few providers offering 36Mb/s for less, but i either not sure of them or they don't have good reviews, even if my brother is with one of them, and it works fine as far as I know.
So looking at my options and Zzoomm is the best option.

I suffer with mild anxiety, so I was told a few years ago, which is one of the reason why I have problems with change and making decisions. Also, maybe why I don't like people in the house I don't know, which is why a friend is coming over when it is being installed.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I have ordered Zzoomm today

Finally, the downside is we now have months of listening to you go on and on about having Zzoomm installed, Just great!!

Has anyone just occasionally considered not responding to any post, then maybe the hollow echoes of an empty room would fix it.

In reply to a post by cjn:

Has anyone just occasionally considered not responding to any post, then maybe the hollow echoes of an empty room would fix it.

Yes, I have promised others I wouldn't but I struggle to sit on my hands while others continue to reply to them

In reply to a post by dect:

Finally, the downside is we now have months of listening to you go on and on about having Zzoomm installed, Just great!!

you don't have to reply, and you can ignore my posts, but when gorebrush comes out with what he came out with, what do you expect me to say?

Don't like it, then ignore, simple enough to do or is that too difficult for your little brain?

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

you don't have to reply, and you can ignore my posts, but when gorebrush comes out with what he came out with, what do you expect me to say?

Don't talk wet, you only replied to a post 6 days old because you wanted to tell the world you had just ordered Zzoomm.

I can assure you we are not the ones with the little brains, If you're happy with you life good for you but I wouldn't be if I was you.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

you don't have to reply, and you can ignore my posts, but when gorebrush comes out with what he came out with, what do you expect me to say?

You could just take the view that it is internet prattle from someone that doesn't know any better and not bother replying.

In reply to a post by dect:

Don't talk wet, you only replied to a post 6 days old because you wanted to tell the world you had just ordered Zzoomm.

I can assure you we are not the ones with the little brains, If you're happy with you life good for you but I wouldn't be if I was you.

Well, you are not me and you are a complete and utter idiot. If I wanted to tell the world then I would not do it on here for a start, think broadband is not the world even if your little tiny mind think it is. I have more brain in my little finger than you have got in that who;le stupid head of yours.

Yes, i replied to a post to tell people I have made up my mind.

You are so full of yourself,

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I have more brain in my little finger than you have got in that whole stupid head of yours.

You keep telling yourself that if it makes getting through the day easier, remember if I have a little brain compared to you then why am I the one with my own successful business, my own house here and overseas and you have a push bike and a mac pc. Hope you have asked your landlord if its OK to have Zzoomm installed.

Yes, I was blatantly trolling - but I've read your comments on ISPR for months and months talking down FTTP, higher speeds at every single opportunity - now that the cost is decent you decide that you will jump ship to FTTP?

Just find it all a bit ironic. FTTP will ultimately be far more reliable for everyone - it's far far far better than copper technology, and your comments do not help persuade people to get away from copper.

This industry has shot itself in the foot 10 years ago when it billed this new fangled FTTC as "fibre" - now everyone thinks they have fibre internet and frankly, they don't.

In reply to a post by dect:

You keep telling yourself that if it makes getting through the day easier, remember if I have a little brain compared to you then why am I the one with my own successful business, my own house here and overseas and you have a push bike and a mac pc. Hope you have asked your landlord if its OK to have Zzoomm installed.

what you means nothing, look at Trump and what he has got, and yet he still has a string of companies behind him that have gone bankrupt. also, he has been a president of the U.S.A, and yet he has no brains.


I tried this business thing, not for me, too much stress, owned a house, not interested in owning one overseas, you see I am not really interested in going abroad these days. Bike, because I have never been interested in driving, Motorbike yes, but sadly not allowed to ride one now due to health. I thought Mac was supposed to be the machine the people with money buys and Windows PC was for poor people.
So have you got the top of the range PC with so much power you have no idea what to do with it?

Don't need permission to have Zzoomm installed, I asked about it when Zzoomm first came into the city. I updated my thermostat to a smart thermostat if they allow me to do that, then they are not going to bother about Fibre, anyway, as people on here have said, at some point we will have little choice.

Look, I had just come home from work last, night, tired and while winding down saw your post, I was annoyed. As I said before, you don't have to read any posts that are on here and even if you do, you can skip past and not reply. I do that a lot of times, there is a lot I can say on the Great piece by Neil Oliver, yesterday in the Park, but I have not, I have been reading it, but keeping out of it.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

there is a lot I can say on the Great piece by Neil Oliver, yesterday in the Park, but I have not, I have been reading it, but keeping out of it.

I no longer visit as its a cesspit of people with opposing opinions posting with the direct intention of aggravating others (I became part of it after being racially abused and feeling the need to get my own back). There are very few good people there but I fully respect those who defended me when I use to post there.

In reply to a post by gorebrush:

Yes, I was blatantly trolling - but I've read your comments on ISPR for months and months talking down FTTP, higher speeds at every single opportunity - now that the cost is decent you decide that you will jump ship to FTTP?

Just find it all a bit ironic. FTTP will ultimately be far more reliable for everyone - it's far far far better than copper technology, and your comments do not help persuade people to get away from copper.

This industry has shot itself in the foot 10 years ago when it billed this new fangled FTTC as "fibre" - now everyone thinks they have fibre internet and frankly, they don't.

What I was saying that not everyone needs higher speeds, and it annoyed me that all we heard about FTTP was one gigabit speeds and that sort of thing as if that is all that mattered. As I said to your post, I still don't need the high speed, what difference will 500Mb/s make? Maybe fast-forward and rewind on streaming will be better. I don;lt really download that much, even less now with the Mac, I do download updates for the few games i have on my PC, but to be honest most of the games I have on my PC are not updated these days.

Cost is one of the reasons I have jumped ship, I don't deny that, but that is not the only factor. as have been said on here by Billford, eventually we will have to go to fibre. Openrerach have been laying Fibre around the city like crazy, certainly since Zzoomm have been here and Zzoomm is coming to the end of its build here, I don't know how far Openreach have got, but I think give it 12-18 months, and they will be up to the point where they will not accept any more FTTC orders. Our exchange covers a large area, the whole city and some areas on the outskirts.
If I go for another 18 month contract, by the end of that I may not have much choice anyway, so prefer to do it on my own terms and not be pushed.

I was to be honest on the verge of moving to Zzoomm anyway, because even before the offer, the price difference was minimal to what I would be paying for FTTC, so when the offer of £24.99 for 500Mb/s, it did make the choice easier.


You say, FTTP will ultimately be far more reliable for everyone, but will it? One thing that put me off is the amount of people that complains about Zzoomm reliability on Faceache, even the Plusnet forum have it fair share of moans about fibre, and other forums.I chat to someone online who had Fibre installed a few months ago from EE and they have a problem at least once a week. On sunday when I chatted to him, he went off-line, only to text me saying that the LOS LED have lit up on his ONT. It did come start working again after a few minutes, but by all accounts that happens to him a lot. The fibre itself may be reliable, but it is the equipment at either end that may be the problem
I do realise that more people will complain than say if things are ok.


I had a chat to a neighbour who have Zzoomm and they say it is fine, apart from his wife have problems getting Wi-fi to her phone in one of the bedrooms, ZZoomm old router is not very good, people who have used their own router seems to have fewer problems. Zzoomm do have a new router, but I expect I will use my own, once they have installed it. i can use a mesh system on my own, which I will want for getting a signal outside to the back yard.

I know this is long, sorry.

I have never told people not to go with fibre, in fact I have said to a lot of people Fibre may be a better option, a friend and her partner had ZZoomm installed last week because i said it may be a better option than getting a better deal from Talk Talk, like me, they said they did not really need the speed, but since there is two of them, both sometimes watching different things, it seemed to be the best way to go. I am meeting them for a coffee later, so I can find out how it is going.

I agree that industry did shoot itself in the foot, there are still signs on the cabinets saying fibre is here, but FTTC was still an improvement on ADSL and for how things are now, not having FTTC would make a lot of what we do on the net now not possible or a pain in the neck.


i could still change my mind before it is installed.,

LOL, only joking.

I hope the survey goes ok, it should do as the fibre is coming from the pole, survey and installation is on the same day.

Right, this post is long enough and I must start getting ready to go out for a coffee and maybe some stronger drinks, depending on how my friend feels today. Saying that, not sure if I feel like alcohol

In reply to a post by dect:

I no longer visit as its a cesspit of people with opposing opinions posting with the direct intention of aggravating others (I became part of it after being racially abused and feeling the need to get my own back). There are very few good people there but I fully respect those who defended me when I use to post there.

it is a public board, so you are going to get people with opposing opinions, and if it aggravates others, then that is life, people have got too soft and these days it is getting to the stage where we have to step on eggshells so not to upset someone. Being racially abused, I don;lt agree with that, but sometimes, people thing they are being racially abused and they are not, not saying that was the case for you, but it does happen. As I said, eggshells, fed up with it myself.

Right, now I must get ready to have a nice relaxing coffee with some friends.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Being racially abused

Lots more I could say about my experience of being targeted for racial abuse on this forum but its going way-way-way off topic for this thread.

Edited by deleted (Wed 31-May-23 15:55:39)

I have read all of your post and you have mentioned before that you certainly don't need the extra speeds just to have FTTP.

At some point obviously Zzoomm were going to sway you over with a cheaper deal. It is part of a marketing strategy. They know most internet users who don't have real reliability issues with FTTC will remain with FTTC. So they have to give you an offer to entice you to switch.

This is happening here in Central London as well Hyperoptic, Community Fibre, G.Network are all offering cheaper deals than what Openreach FTTC have to offer. People are mostly switching because the deals are cheaper not because most users need it.

I now have Community Fibre live in my building as of the last 6 months but not switched yet. For years I've been fighting for a wayleave agreement. I was desperate as I was on an Exchange Only Line (no FTTC) until October 2019 when the miracle happened that Openreach upgraded us to FTTC while other buildings in my area on EO Line have not been upgraded to FTTC.

When I needed Hyperoptic /FTTP the most, my management company ignored us and would not agree for a wayleave. Now FTTC came and it solved all my disconnection problems, with noise margins, low SNR, etc. I did everything, including upgrading faceplate, removing orange ring wire, changing micro filters. On ADSL there was no solution.

Even on FTTC when I was with TalkTalk the internet connection would drop-out when picking up the landline phone! But with BT FTTC Digital Voice this resolved this technical fault as phone is all VOIP.

And being an online chess player as well as FIFA player, I know how frustrating it was to have connection drop-outs. I would get loss records and rating drops. Getting connection drops when you are winning is the most frustrating experience. I now no longer suffer from connection drop-outs with FTTC last 3 years.

Reliability is the single most important factor for wanting FTTP. Speed is not even that big of a deal, but it is a bonus. 80/20 is more than enough, I'll be honest. I remember when I bought NBA 2K15 PC retail version, hoping I'll get multiple DVDs, but I only got a steam activation key in a cardboard and 50GB took me whole night to download on a 12Mbps ADSL connection. PC was on while I was sleeping. FTTC came and I could install it within just a few hours.

Now of-course it is possible that with games becoming even larger, one day I wouldn't be surprised if most games will average 100-200GB in size. Then FTTP will be our only option, as FTTC will struggle.

Most residents in my building who are light users including my dad will not care if the connection drops and will not be affected as they are not gamers. That doesn't mean FTTP isn't a priority. My housing estate managers are selfish, they certainly never cared about my problem as they don't live in the building as residents to suffer from these connection problems. This wayleave agreement with Community Fibre happened only due to a government intervention to help ease wayleave agreements.

Most people will not care about FTTP unless their ADSL/FTTC widely affects their connection requirements. Even now you'll find people on Facebook, YouTube writing complaints about how an FTTP company is coming to create noise by digging street pavements, etc without being grateful that they are coming to install a service for them!

The Park was a sesspit at times. Banter i love but insulting and backhanded comments.. Also racism sadly . A few should have been banned from this place - i'm not sure if they were or not.

In reply to a post by Taras:

The Park was a sesspit at times. Banter i love but insulting and backhanded comments.. Also racism sadly . A few should have been banned from this place - i'm not sure if they were or not.

The main culprits are sadly still there today goading and looking for confrontation so I suspect not.

the sadest part was when Max go hassles, yes he over posted and sometimes with incorrect info..... whilst it wasn't racist it certainly wasn't nice to see.

In reply to a post by Taras:

The Park was a sesspit at times.

a forum that is now inaccessible to most posters (including me), so I suggest not talking about it in other forums.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by Taras:

The Park was a sesspit at times.

a forum that is now inaccessible to most posters (including me), so I suggest not talking about it in other forums.

+1

In reply to a post by jchamier:

a forum that is now inaccessible to most posters (including me), so I suggest not talking about it in other forums.

Hi James,

I agree talking about the 'The Park' is way off topic and may make some people feel very uncomfortable on here but I don't agree with your (and the +1) justification that we shouldn't talk about things that are inaccessible to a lot of people as that could include FTTP as well

I'm happy to revert to the conversation about a Zzoomm letter and Adrian ordering it.

Edited by deleted (Thu 01-Jun-23 08:34:40)

In reply to a post by dect:

I agree talking about the 'The Park' is way off topic and may make some people feel very uncomfortable on here but I don't agree with your (and the +1) justification that we shouldn't talk about things that are inaccessible to a lot of people as that could include FTTP as well

Well if you look at it that way, I can’t get 5G or The Park Yeah, its just off topic.

I'm happy to revert to the conversation about a Zzoomm letter and Adrian ordering it.

I will be interested in how Adrian finds the install.

I had Zzoomm installed last year, the install date was a week after ordering and the install itself was less than an hour. In my area the fibre is dropped from the BT pole, so no digging. They are the only fibre provider in the town so far.

LiLaconnect came and put ducting in the area before Zzoomm but then stopped. The last time I checked their website said that 'we are not currently building in your area' ??

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by dect:

I agree talking about the 'The Park' is way off topic and may make some people feel very uncomfortable on here but I don't agree with your (and the +1) justification that we shouldn't talk about things that are inaccessible to a lot of people as that could include FTTP as well

Well if you look at it that way, I can’t get 5G or The Park Yeah, its just off topic.

I'm happy to revert to the conversation about a Zzoomm letter and Adrian ordering it.

I will be interested in how Adrian finds the install.

He'll drag it out for ten or fifteen posts I'm sure, he loves making a mountain out of a mole hill. The install can't be the half hour or so install normal people experience, his has to have problems so he can justify his reluctance to switch to FTTP

Have people noticed the Zzoomm Automatic Wavleave in their T&C as follows:

2.4 Wayleave. By placing an order with Zzoomm for service, you are agreeing to provide us or (i) any other Zzoomm Group Company, or (ii) any other party that is an Electronic Communications Operator (under section 106(3)(a) of the Communications Act 2003, that we may assign this right to, with a permanent wayleave over your property so that we may supply and maintain our equipment and deliver you service as determined in our rights under the Communications Act 2003. By ordering and requesting installation of our Service, you agree that the Zzoomm Network Equipment placed on your property with your permission will remain, including the internal network termination point installed in your property, irrespective of whether you or anyone who purchases, rents or leases the property takes Services from us. The Zzoomm equipment we supply to you to connect to our service remains our property, and we have the right to access and monitor our equipment for diagnostic or maintenance purposes either directly or remotely. You should ensure that any future purchaser or tenant of your property is made aware that the property is connected to our network and of the location of the Zzoomm equipment.

https://zzoomm.com/terms/12-months/

Personally, I would be extremely reluctant to sign up with any company that tried to commit you to a wayleave of this type.

This is what I eluded too when I asked the OP if he had got permission from his landlord. Surely a tenant like the OP doesn't have the authority to sign an agreement of this type that commits the landlord to something they are not aware of. Are there any repercussions for the tenant if they do?

I would doubt that would see the light of day in any court in the land should they try and “enforce” it.

If you don’t want their gear in your house you can realistically remove it any time you like. It’s your house.

You may have to pay them if you stick the ONT in the bin, but they’re hardly going to chase you.

Let’s get real.

Exactly, that is more or less what my landlord said to a neighbour who did ask them about it. My landlord is a housing association, so they are a bit different to private landlords. they told my neighbour that they can't really stop us having fibre.
As you said, it would not stand up in court and I doubt Zzoomm would want to waste money. I wonder how many other providers got this sort of agreement, as far as I know Openreach already have it.
I remember years ago when i lived at my parents, The GPO at the time asked my mum for permission to have a telephone cable going over the top of the property to a neighbour as it went from the pole to our next door neighbour. That would not happen now. Openreach done my next door neighbour fibre and did not ask me if i minded an extra cable going past my bedroom.
Nor did Zzoom when they did the one next to them.

As for installation, should be easy enough, from pole to wall and then down the wall to the splicebox and then a hole in the wall to the ONT. Some friends who got Zzoomm last week on my recommendation had a small problem on installation, for some reason the ONT would not connect, turned out to be a config problem at Zzoomm's end, got it sorted, just took a bit longer. They are getting 180Mb/s, not bad since they are paying for 150.

It is a "wayleave over your property". It doesn't require you to give wayleave over a landlord's property (common parts of a multi-dwelling building), but if you purported to do so it would not be effective to bind the landlord.

The clause seems pretty much to reflect the familiar position with an Openreach phone socket. It belongs to them and you shouldn't touch it. People expect to move into a property and find a phone socket.

If in the future you wanted to remove it, it would be polite to inform them, but routers, master sockets and ONTs do go missing and I haven't heard that providers chase them up with legal action.

This bit of sheer comedy gold:

“By ordering and requesting installation of our Service, you agree that the Zzoomm Network Equipment placed on your property with your permission will remain, including the internal network termination point installed in your property, irrespective of whether you or anyone who purchases, rents or leases the property takes Services from us.”

So you sell your property, but in zzzoomm view you are responsible for what the purchaser then does.

Fantasists. As said, it would get laughed out

Well, yes, you are not really in a position to agree to this as you have no control over what a subsequent purchaser does.

In theory, a wayleave attaches to a property, it is an encumbrance (easement?), so when you sell you would disclose it to the purchaser. The last sentence of the clause says "You should ensure that any future purchaser or tenant of your property is made aware..." but is coy about pointing out the wayleave to the purchaser.

I expect there are all sorts of variants on this general theme in the Terms of other providers.

You seem to be certain that it is not enforceable in law in any way, (in the case of a tenant I would tend to agree), but in the case of a home owner signing up I would not be so sure.

We need to consider the Boris Factor in that we need to remember that Boris was the Prime Minister and who knows what sort of legal ploys that guy has authorized.

This so called wayleave seems to be open ended and wide ranging once you sign up to their service. - eg. Here is a huge Zzoom Cabinet on your property for the whole area: but I cancelled years ago; no matter - we have a wayleave. - (or in a dystopian world; those monitors in the corners of your rooms are ours and they must be connected at all times).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/guidance-on-access-agree...

Personally with T&C of that type, I would avoid Zzoomm like the plague.

In reply to a post by Fido:

We need to consider the Boris Factor in that we need to remember that Boris was the Prime Minister and who knows what sort of legal ploys that guy has authorized.

Give it a break with the political nonsense, its not your first time Boris banishing here. We can all talk political nonsense to suit our political beliefs but here is not the place for it.

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by Fido:

We need to consider the Boris Factor in that we need to remember that Boris was the Prime Minister and who knows what sort of legal ploys that guy has authorized.

Give it a break with the political nonsense, its not your first time Boris banishing here. We can all talk political nonsense to suit our political beliefs but here is not the place for it.

It could be relevant as the only good thing that Boris, (that paragon of virtue), did was to push for faster broadband, (Albeit many many years behind the rest of the Europe as, (over 5 years ago thanks to the EU), even 80 percent of Spain had FTTP and it was clear in 2016 that all of the good regulations came out of the EU and all of the rubbish came out of Westminster).

Like it or not: In his haste Boris usually created a mess as he had the Complete Opposite to the Midas Touch and the telecommunications regulation were updated during his time and it is not political to point it out.

In reply to a post by Fido:

You seem to be certain that it is not enforceable in law in any way, (in the case of a tenant I would tend to agree), but in the case of a home owner signing up I would not be so sure.

We need to consider the Boris Factor in that we need to remember that Boris was the Prime Minister and who knows what sort of legal ploys that guy has authorized.

This so called wayleave seems to be open ended and wide ranging once you sign up to their service. - eg. Here is a huge Zzoom Cabinet on your property for the whole area: but I cancelled years ago; no matter - we have a wayleave. - (or in a dystopian world; those monitors in the corners of your rooms are ours and they must be connected at all times).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/guidance-on-access-agree...

Personally with T&C of that type, I would avoid Zzoomm like the plague.

OK this is getting extremely weird and whacky.

The point is that no entity can enforce terms on “wayleave” on a broadband product on a property that you no longer own. It’s frankly embarrassing and ridiculous to even suggest this, let alone have this in writing.

Secondly as the service is for your own use - once the contract for that service is up you can do what you want with anything that on your land or property. You are not forced to keep it. Believe me you can get out there with the spade and garden shears and nobody is going to come after you on your own property.

Unless it’s writ in the title or deeds of the property, it’s as worthless as the mythical (electronic) paper it’s written on.

In reply to a post by Fido:

It could be relevant as the only good thing that Boris, (that paragon of virtue), did was to push for faster broadband

I would dispute that, the UK public voted the Tories in by a majority of 80+ seats in 2019 to get something extremely important done and he achieved that so maybe he did 2 good things then. As I said we can all talk political nonsense to suit our political beliefs but here is not the place for it.

In reply to a post by Fido:

Personally with T&C of that type, I would avoid Zzoomm like the plague.

Maybe you should have a look at others, also have a look at Openreach as well,
But avoid it if you want, No one is asking you to use it.
I really don't believe this place, I finally make up my mind to get fibre and when I do, people try to make me change my mind. If Zzoomm was not here, I would not. be going fibre, I can assure you. The only reasons I am going to ZZoomm is because the price is good, they have a 12 month contract and also get off Openreach network.

Just to make it proper I decided to get permission from my landlord, and they have given me permission
I can confirm that Connexus has no objection to Zoom installing Fibre Optic Broadband at the
property, subject to your agreement being bound by the following conditions: -

The conditions are that I fix stuff, like holes in walls if I decide to get rid of zzoomm and all that sort of thing. Just cover their backs, really.

What makes me laugh is that they sent me a PDF of the agreement via email and yet I have to print it out, sign it and send it back by post.

What makes me laugh is that they sent me a PDF of the agreement via email and yet I have to print it out, sign it and send it back by post.

That is still pretty common. You can send it via PDF as an unsigned document as there is nothing "secure" about that version. Once you have signed it though then it is considered to be a wet signature and the only way to send that back is as the original. There are some things that still require by law or convention to have a wet signature but most companies these days are willing to accept scans of signed documents, electronic signatures or even a signature written on the screen using a finger - some firms are more willing to take non-wet signatures than others.

In reply to a post by ian72:

That is still pretty common. You can send it via PDF as an unsigned document as there is nothing "secure" about that version. Once you have signed it though then it is considered to be a wet signature and the only way to send that back is as the original. There are some things that still require by law or convention to have a wet signature but most companies these days are willing to accept scans of signed documents, electronic signatures or even a signature written on the screen using a finger - some firms are more willing to take non-wet signatures than others.

Yeah, i know, but it is very strange when we are supposed to have the paperless office, at work the amount of stuff that is printed out is horrendous.
No idea what I was supposed to do if I did into have a printer. I suppose I could have put it in my work one drive and printed it off at work. Anyway, done and dusted. Shocked that a first class stamp now costs £1.10 and the first post from our local post box is not until 5PM. So prices have gone up, service have gone down, seems to be the norm in this day and age. i have some old stamps, but by all accounts I can't use them now. I got a black adder one from the post office.
shows how long it has been since I have sent anything though the post.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Just to make it proper I decided to get permission from my landlord, and they have given me permission
I can confirm that Connexus has no objection to Zoom installing Fibre Optic Broadband at the
property, subject to your agreement being bound by the following conditions: -

Hopefully you got in writing that they are fully aware of the Zzoomm T's & C's and accept any part that may be considered transferable to them.

This is the whole letter they sent me,

A breach of any conditions imposed by this consent will be treated as a breach of your tenancy conditions. If you breach a condition of this consent, you risk losing your home.
• If you have changed your mind and no longer want to carry out this work, I would be grateful if you would contact us on

I can confirm that Connexus has no objection to Zoom installing Fibre Optic Broadband at the
property, subject to your agreement being bound by the following conditions: -
1. All electrical fittings/cables must be British Standard compliant and fit for purpose
2. All work is to be paid for by yourself and no cost incurred to Connexus
3. All maintenance relating to this improvement must be carried out at your own expense.
4. You shall repair any damage to the dwelling caused by the carrying out of the work at your own
expense.
5. You must indemnify Connexus against all costs or claims or legal proceedings that may arise
as a result of the works being carried out at the dwelling.
6. Where applicable a letter identifying asbestos at the property has been enclosed. If the
work you propose to carry out is going to disturb the areas identified as containing asbestos materials in the survey, you will be responsible for the cost of the asbestos removal and must comply with asbestos regulations. A certificate for its removal must then be sent to Connexus

7. In the event of you terminating or transferring your tenancy, Fibre Optic Internet and all associated cabling must remain in place and be in good condition. It will then become the property of Connexus. Alternatively, should you be required to do so you will reinstate the property to the satisfaction of Connexus, again without any expense to Connexus, or the incoming tenant.
Permission for the above work is granted for 6months from the date of this letter. If the works are not carried out within this time scale you must re-apply for the permission.
Please sign, date and return to Assets Team, Connexus Homes Ltd, The Gateway, The Auction Yard SY7 9BW
Form no. 1 (Acceptance of approval conditions)

----

No asbestos is in the house, that was checked a few years ago.

I presume part 7 covers that. I doubt I am the only person that asked for permission to have Zzoomm. My neighbours did not officially ask permission, I saw their daughter as I was going to the post office. i thought they did, but all they did was phone them to ask about Fibre broadband. they must have got someone one who gave them the wrong info. I said to send them a email anyway and get permission, while they have now got the fibre in, no one is going to know when it was put in.
The last person who came here, is the bloke who serviced the boiler last year, that is the only person that visits from the HA from one year to the next unless we get someone in to do some repairs. As said before they are not that bothered as long as the property is not damaged, I had a smart thermostat installed. All the smart stuff I have around the house I have done so without changing anything, like Philips hue remote dimmer switches. Switchbots to turn my kitchen light and back outside lights on and off just attaches to the switch, saying that the one in the kitchen is attached by super glue , but I can easly just put a new switch on there.

At the end of the day the HA don't hold up it side of the contract, half the time, took six months before they came to fix a handle on my living room window, I tied it up with string to stop it from opening, then I had the idea to take the one off the kitchen window and put it on the living room window. Mu small windows in the kitchen is always open anyway so they just replaced the one on that. The extractor fan in the kitchen have been broken for a couple of years, make a screeching sound when turned on, I never used it that much anyway, as I said I always have the small window open in the kitchen.

The only time they moved their backside was when my next door neighbour whose house is privately owned complained about the gutter leaking after my roof was replaced. Her fault it leaks anyway, they were the ones who put a different shape of gutter up to the other houses, her hubby that was put a load of gaffer tape inside when it was installed to stop it leaking. Anyway, the HA moved very quickly to sort that out as she said it was those that were doing my rook that broke it. Took 4 attempts, seems ok now, but the back one is leaking, and she has done nothing about that.
So maybe if the HA cared a bit more I would worry,

Local libraries often offer printing services at a small cost, I know ours are still used for that.

I was shocked as well when I bought a book of 8 stamps and it was £8.80 - shows how much notice I take (and how often I buy stamps) as I thought they were still about 70p.

So if/when you move out, clause 7 of the agreement with the HA means that both the HA and ZZoomm will be claiming ownership of the ONT? Not your problem but I'm not sure you have the authority to make the commitment to hand someone's property over to a third party.

In reply to a post by ian72:

Local libraries often offer printing services at a small cost, I know ours are still used for that.

I was shocked as well when I bought a book of 8 stamps and it was £8.80 - shows how much notice I take (and how often I buy stamps) as I thought they were still about 70p.

I have not been to our library for a few years, it is moving into town at some point to a shopping centre that our council paid £4 million for.

I know people posting letters have decreased, I am certain that the prices will just make less people post letters.

5. You must indemnify Connexus against all costs or claims or legal proceedings that may arise as a result of the works being carried out at the dwelling.

Make sure this one doesn't bite you.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

So if/when you move out, clause 7 of the agreement with the HA means that both the HA and ZZoomm will be claiming ownership of the ONT? Not your problem but I'm not sure you have the authority to make the commitment to hand someone's property over to a third party.

As you said, not my problem, If/when I move out which may be late next year, which is another reason why I did not want a long contract I need to rip up all the carpets as well, I do need to decorate this year, not going mad, just replace stair carpet with treads and paint the walls.

In reply to a post by Fido:

You seem to be certain that it is not enforceable in law in any way, (in the case of a tenant I would tend to agree), but in the case of a home owner signing up I would not be so sure.

We need to consider the Boris Factor in that we need to remember that Boris was the Prime Minister and who knows what sort of legal ploys that guy has authorized.

This so called wayleave seems to be open ended and wide ranging once you sign up to their service. - eg. Here is a huge Zzoom Cabinet on your property for the whole area: but I cancelled years ago; no matter - we have a wayleave. - (or in a dystopian world; those monitors in the corners of your rooms are ours and they must be connected at all times).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/guidance-on-access-agree...

Personally with T&C of that type, I would avoid Zzoomm like the plague.

The thread has developed from some sort of What Katie/Adrian Did and What Katie/Adran Did Next to a discussion about the Zzoomm Wayleave.

At first it appeared to be just an electronic wayleave which seemed strange and now it appears to need a signed hard copy as it has now transpired that a Signed Copy of the Zzoomm Wayleave is required and the discussion has centred around the implications for a tenant.

Personally, I cannot see how a tenant can sign a wayleave for a property that they do not own without the landlord/landowner also signing the wayleave which would effectively end up with a wayleave between the telecoms provider and the landlord/land owner as that seemed to comply with the older legislation but I do not know if new legislation has changed that.

The wider point is when a home owner and not a just a tenant signs up to Zzoomm and they sign their wayleave as, (unlike a tenant), a home owner could be liable and I cannot see why a home owner would sign if alternative providers were available.

Personally, I would recommend that any home owner considering signing such a wayleave should edit it and modify it to severely limit the one sided powers it gives to Zzoomm.

Edited by Fido (Tue 06-Jun-23 17:05:52)

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Yeah, i know, but it is very strange when we are supposed to have the paperless office, at work the amount of stuff that is printed out is horrendous.

UK law doesn’t yet have a electronic signature provision. The US does, and other countries do. In most cases this doesn’t affect anything as the second party (often financial agreements) are happy to accept some sort of ‘electronic’ scribble, and that records intent, so their lawyers are happy.

Its up to each organisation what their risk is.

DocuSign is very popular when it comes to e-signing agreements. Have used them quite a bit for manner of agreements over the years.

I believe the signing and returning a hard copy by post is the conditions set out by Adrian's landlord (Connexus) with regards to the works. I don't think Adrian has stated if he also needs to do that with Zzoomm agreement. Hopefully Adrian will clarify.

In reply to a post by dect:

I believe the signing and returning a hard copy by post is the conditions set out by Adrian's landlord (Connexus) with regards to the works. I don't think Adrian has stated if he also needs to do that with Zzoomm agreement. Hopefully Adrian will clarify.

Yes,

But i am not going to be zzoomming today., one of the installers decided that they needed to send photos to my landloard to show where they are drilling, which is stupid as there are already holes there. The other bloke was willing to do it there and then. Just my luck and people wondered why I could not be bothered with the hassle.
I may just not bother and cancel it and go to onestream, it is cheaper, slower, but cheaper.


I said I am out of contract soon and don't really want to pay plusnet for another month, the installers said they should be back soon, just a formality.
Fed up of things not working out.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Yes,

But i am not going to be zzoomming today., one of the installers decided that they needed to send photos to my landloard to show where they are drilling, which is stupid as there are already holes there. The other bloke was willing to do it there and then. Just my luck and people wondered why I could not be bothered with the hassle.

i was gonna ask "is it zzooooooooooooomin day" and apparently it was ........ 😅

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I may just not bother and cancel it and go to onestream, it is cheaper, slower, but cheaper.

slower slower ........ as one of our deceased leaders said "no pain no gain".

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Fed up of things not working out.

this should work out - just wait for the email/phone call 🌞

So 800+ posts of will I, won’t I and should I, or not, and you are still dithering, dallying and just about to cancel whilst on the vinegar strokes. Why am I not surprised ?

I’ll wager that you hung round the installers, twittering on about , way leaves, ‘would this, would that ? Could it be this way, oh what about that way ? You spooked them wittering on about you having to make good later, etc, etc.

Every installers nightmare {walks off shaking his head}

This thread should come with a barge sized portion of 🍿🍿🍿

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

I’ll wager that you hung round the installers, twittering on about , way leaves, ‘would this, would that ? Could it be this way, oh what about that way ? You spooked them wittering on about you having to make good later, etc, etc.

If I looked hard enough I could find the post where Adrian said he would 'never ever' hang around a workman when they come to do work at his house

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Just to make it proper I decided to get permission from my landlord, and they have given me permission
I can confirm that Connexus has no objection to Zoom installing Fibre Optic Broadband at the
property, subject to your agreement being bound by the following conditions: -
by post.

I thought Connexus is an interesting name for a ALMO / LHA - very mmm communications like. Then I read the headline this morning over at ISPR about a business ISP called Connectus…

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2023/06/busine...

😎🤣

Case law has established that electronic signatures are valid for most purposes in England and Wales.

https://helpx.adobe.com/legal/esignatures/regulation...

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

So 800+ posts of will I, won’t I and should I, or not, and you are still dithering, dallying and just about to cancel whilst on the vinegar strokes. Why am I not surprised ?

I’ll wager that you hung round the installers, twittering on about , way leaves, ‘would this, would that ? Could it be this way, oh what about that way ? You spooked them wittering on about you having to make good later, etc, etc.

Every installers nightmare {walks off shaking his head}

It is a good job you are where you are and I am where I am, as you can't prove what went on, because you would have lost that wager.,

They came to the door, asked for the letter, one bloke read it, rang the head office and that was the end of it. They have taken photos that they will send to the housing association, they have taken a photo of a wall with a hole already in it which they will use to bring the cable in after making it a little larger. This is what don't make sense, the hole is flipping already there.

Do you think I would go through the hassle and then do something to stop them doing it? They told me where it was going to go. they asked where I wanted the ONT, but they can't put it where I want it, so I will just have to run another Ethernet cable, from the ONT to where I want the router, I was going to use my own router anyway.

It have been a naff day, went to get skirting board and this stupid city don't even have the size I want., went to have a Key cut and the machine decided not to work. then tripped over walking down the ash path home. so all in all a good day. ,get drunk, I think.

In reply to a post by Taras:

slower slower ........ as one of our deceased leaders said "no pain no gain".

It would be less hassle.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

this should work out - just wait for the email/phone call 🌞

I will wait until the end of the week and see what happens, if not then just not bother.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by Taras:

slower slower ........ as one of our deceased leaders said "no pain no gain".

It would be less hassle.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

this should work out - just wait for the email/phone call 🌞

I will wait until the end of the week and see what happens, if not then just not bother.

Don't worry Adrian its just a small speed bump relatively.

I could tell you chapter and verse about some of the "fun" I had getting FFTPoD installed in 2018/19 - that was like 9 months of protracted torture. That you pay them for 😎

Smile and have a glass of something tonight.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

They came to the door, asked for the letter

Out of interest how did the Zzoomm guys at your door know you was a tenant and not the home owner? are all the properties on your road rented out via Connexus?

Edit: added clarity

Edited by deleted (Wed 07-Jun-23 16:46:12)

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Don't worry Adrian its just a small speed bump relatively.

I could tell you chapter and verse about some of the "fun" I had getting FFTPoD installed in 2018/19 - that was like 9 months of protracted torture. That you pay them for 😎

Smile and have a glass of something tonight.

I could mention the cbt and fibre joint cylinder on the telegraph pole opposite me, that was put there around 2/4/2020 and it still isn't live ..... but i won't 😅 - just saying with fttp installs; everything is relative 😂😁 <3

That’s very useful, phew, thanks!

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Don't worry Adrian its just a small speed bump relatively.

I could tell you chapter and verse about some of the "fun" I had getting FFTPoD installed in 2018/19 - that was like 9 months of protracted torture. That you pay them for 😎

Smile and have a glass of something tonight.

Well I hope it is just a small bump, otherwise I will say stuff it and stay with FTTC.

In reply to a post by dect:

Out of interest how did the Zzoomm guys at your door know you was a tenant and not the home owner? are all the properties on your road rented out via Connexus?

Edit: added clarity

That is a thought, I know the rented ones have new roofs and the private ones don't, well apart from one. but maybe I should have said it is private, then they would have asked for proof I suppose. this is what i get for being honest.

Both my next door neighbours are privately owned,

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

So 800+ posts of will I, won’t I and should I, or not, and you are still dithering, dallying and just about to cancel whilst on the vinegar strokes. Why am I not surprised ?

This thread alone has over 120 posts. Maybe a quarter to a third by Adrian. As far as ways to keep your point count rising rapidly and avoid feeling lonely and ignored if it goes relatively quiet in the cesspark go it's working well.

Edited by XGS_Is_On (Thu 08-Jun-23 14:06:37)

In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

This thread along has over 120 posts. Maybe a quarter to a third by Adrian. As far as ways to keep your point count rising rapidly and avoid feeling lonely and ignored if it goes relatively quiet in the cesspark go it's working well.

hah, i wanna get off of "eat sleep adslguide" ...............

I'm pretty sure adsl will be put out to pastures in the sky soon

In reply to a post by Taras:

hah, i wanna get off of "eat sleep adslguide" ...............

I'm pretty sure adsl will be put out to pastures in the sky soon

I quite like 'Committed' given I probably should be.

I am a legend by all accounts

I have sent an email to Zzoomm, telling them I am not happy with the way things are, since I already had a letter giving permission they should have gone ahead, the same way they did with another neighbour who did not even have a letter, saying their installers are inconsistent. I told them if nothing is sorted by the end of next week then I will cancel, I am not going to pay Plusnet out of contract prices, not even for a month.

Furthermore, I also said that their installers are inconsistent, after all if they can do one property without permission then they can do mine that had permission.

Not happy at all and i blame you lot

I'm losing the will to live.

Imagine if aliens landed and started reading this Forum. They would think that Hereford was the centre of the Universe.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Not happy at all and i blame you lot

They were only meant to drill a hole and shove an ont on a wall ........

{joke} how many people does it take to drill a hole ?
A. this forum, Zyborg47, housing association and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
ie too many

In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

In reply to a post by Taras:

hah, i wanna get off of "eat sleep adslguide" ...............

I'm pretty sure adsl will be put out to pastures in the sky soon

I quite like 'Committed' given I probably should be.

I escaped the commited asylum apparently. Now I just eat and sleep ADSL. Sounds horrible. 😭🤣

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

I escaped the commited asylum apparently. Now I just eat and sleep ADSL. Sounds horrible. 😭🤣

maxed out at either 2mbits or 8mbits

The universe is actually the little bubble in which A happens to find himself. It's the opposite of a black hole as it emits absolutely everything all the time.

In reply to a post by Taras:

They were only meant to drill a hole and shove an ont on a wall ........

{joke} how many people does it take to drill a hole ?
A. this forum, Zyborg47, housing association and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
ie too many

This is one of the reasons I did not want to bother with Fibre in the first place, too much hassle. Anyway, had a voice message from Zzoomm today, so phoned them back up at break time, and permission have been given. they wanted to do it today, but i was working, so next Wednesday at between 8 and 10am, a bit early, but lets get it done because now it is really starting to pee me off. t
My landlord sent me another form to send back, the same one I sent before, useless they are. Lets hope it all goes well this time, at least it gives me sometime to get another Ethernet cable to go from the ONT to the router.

zzoom is probably reading this forum 🙂

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Lets hope it all goes well this time

We will be keeping our fingers crossed.

In reply to a post by dect:

We will be keeping our fingers crossed.

Well if it doesn't get done this time, that is it, I am done with it.

Just to say, Zzoomm is installed and working. she had a bit of a problem drilling though the wall, tough old house. she even filled in the holes that were already there.

I took their router off as soon as they left and put mine on, but i had a problem with it keeping connection, it was as if they were knocking it off, it uses Dynamic IP, well that what I had to use to even connect. what i did is used the mac clone function of my router and put in their router mac address and so far no more problem. Was that the problem? i don't know, but it has stayed connected since.

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/16868130504...

Made a difference when redoing Windows on the PC, but not made any difference with streaming to be honest. But as I said before it was not the speed, but the price.

anyway, done, dusted, working, now need to sort out cables when it gets a bit cooler./

🍾👍

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Just to say, Zzoomm is installed and working.

Don't forget the signature.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Just to say, Zzoomm is installed and working.

Don't forget the signature.

Oh yeah, cheers.

I was disappointed that they did not splice the connection, I wanted to watch them doing that. Plug and play, or as I said to them, plug and pray. They did laugh about that.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Just to say, Zzoomm is installed and working. she had a bit of a problem drilling though the wall, tough old house. she even filled in the holes that were already there.

I took their router off as soon as they left and put mine on, but i had a problem with it keeping connection, it was as if they were knocking it off, it uses Dynamic IP, well that what I had to use to even connect. what i did is used the mac clone function of my router and put in their router mac address and so far no more problem. Was that the problem? i don't know, but it has stayed connected since.

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/16868130504...

Made a difference when redoing Windows on the PC, but not made any difference with streaming to be honest. But as I said before it was not the speed, but the price.

anyway, done, dusted, working, now need to sort out cables when it gets a bit cooler./

LUCKY BOY!!!!! FTTP at last!!!! while I sat here miserable grumpy with no FTTP in plan! Think I should BLOODY move to other area with Full Fibre

In reply to a post by adslmax:

LUCKY BOY!!!!! FTTP at last!!!! while I sat here miserable grumpy with no FTTP in plan! Think I should BLOODY move to other area with Full Fibre

I can understand you not being happy about getting FTTP, but i thought you had Virgin where you are? I am sure you was using Virgin. you seem to change your provider a lot.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I can understand you not being happy about getting FTTP, but i thought you had Virgin where you are? I am sure you was using Virgin. you seem to change your provider a lot.

No I haven't changed provider since with the same provider with UnchainedISP from Plusnet three years ago after with Plusnet for over 12 years..I left Virgin Media ages ago in 2009 never look back to it.

Don't want virgin media cos they piled of [censored]! I want FTTP.

Before the curtain comes down on this thread, maybe you can clarify:
1) Your new rental costs
2) What happened the the landline number associated with the FTTC connection. I presume you cancelled that service, but was their a termination charge?

I thought you had g.fast?

In reply to a post by Taras:

I thought you had g.fast?

No not anymore went back to sogea 80/20

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

Before the curtain comes down on this thread, maybe you can clarify:
1) Your new rental costs
2) What happened the the landline number associated with the FTTC connection. I presume you cancelled that service, but was their a termination charge?

Are you asking Max or Adrian? Looks like your post was in reply to Max...

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Are you asking Max or Adrian? Looks like your post was in reply to Max...

I don't reply to this person

This thread gets better and better. Could we rename it as Comedy Classics?

In reply to a post by Malwaremike:

This thread gets better and better. Could we rename it as Comedy Classics?

We could but the ASA would, rightly, be all over us.

That’s your quota of ASA quips done for the week…🤣😎

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

Before the curtain comes down on this thread, maybe you can clarify:
1) Your new rental costs
2) What happened the the landline number associated with the FTTC connection. I presume you cancelled that service, but was their a termination charge?

Are you asking Max or Adrian? Looks like your post was in reply to Max...

I thought it was bloody obvious that I was asking Adrian. Go back to point duty.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Are you asking Max or Adrian? Looks like your post was in reply to Max...

I don't reply to this person

And why not?

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

Before the curtain comes down on this thread, maybe you can clarify:
1) Your new rental costs
2) What happened the the landline number associated with the FTTC connection. I presume you cancelled that service, but was their a termination charge?

Are you asking Max or Adrian? Looks like your post was in reply to Max...

I thought it was bloody obvious that I was asking Adrian. Go back to point duty.

🤣 I’ll let you get back to stalking 😉

In reply to a post by adslmax:

No I haven't changed provider since with the same provider with UnchainedISP from Plusnet three years ago after with Plusnet for over 12 years..I left Virgin Media ages ago in 2009 never look back to it.

Don't want virgin media cos they piled of [censored]! I want FTTP.

But you can get Virgin? If you want faster speed and Virgin is available, then that is the way to go. I know there are some complaints about them, but if needs must?

As i have said before, I went to ZZoomm because they were cheaper than most other options.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

But you can get Virgin? If you want faster speed and Virgin is available, then that is the way to go. I know there are some complaints about them, but if needs must?

As i have said before, I went to ZZoomm because they were cheaper than most other options.

NO WAY - I NEVER JOIN VIRGIN MEDIA NOT IN A LIFETIME.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

... nested quotes trimmed ...

Are you asking Max or Adrian? Looks like your post was in reply to Max...

I thought it was bloody obvious that I was asking Adrian. Go back to point duty.

🤣 I’ll let you get back to stalking 😉

A rubbish statement from you.

My query to Adrian was simply to ask if he ditched his landline number or moved it into VoIP.

And

Seeing the connection speed he was now enjoying, it was clear to me that he had got a very good deal, but I wanted to check that the price he was paying was indeed sub £25. Personally I don't see that being a sustainable business pricing model for any ISP.

We have all been subjected to numerous posts of his every move of getting FTTP installed that we might as well have a final curtain call on this matter.

I don't believe you have any idea of what stalking actually is with your contribution to this thread being entirely unnecessary.

Bury the hatchet dude. Life’s too short 🙃

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Bury the hatchet dude. Life’s too short 🙃

Then don't read this thread!

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Bury the hatchet dude. Life’s too short 🙃

Then don't read this thread!

Have I done something to mortally offend you?

If so, I sincerely apologise and wish you a happy Fathers Day.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Bury the hatchet dude. Life’s too short 🙃

Then don't read this thread!

Have I done something to mortally offend you?

If so, I sincerely apologise and wish you a happy Fathers Day.

No apology necessary - I greatly respect your posting across TB. I've no idea how we got into this fine mess with recent ping pong postings. Most be this hot weather that is affecting my judgement over the past few days. Sorry.

Amen to that!

In reply to a post by adslmax:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Just to say, Zzoomm is installed and working. she had a bit of a problem drilling though the wall, tough old house. she even filled in the holes that were already there.

I took their router off as soon as they left and put mine on, but i had a problem with it keeping connection, it was as if they were knocking it off, it uses Dynamic IP, well that what I had to use to even connect. what i did is used the mac clone function of my router and put in their router mac address and so far no more problem. Was that the problem? i don't know, but it has stayed connected since.

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/16868130504...

Made a difference when redoing Windows on the PC, but not made any difference with streaming to be honest. But as I said before it was not the speed, but the price.

anyway, done, dusted, working, now need to sort out cables when it gets a bit cooler./

LUCKY BOY!!!!! FTTP at last!!!! while I sat here miserable grumpy with no FTTP in plan! Think I should BLOODY move to other area with Full Fibre

Here we go again, you pop up every few months taking threads off topic moaning about your lack of speed, what is your 80/20 broadband not allowing you to do? i am on 80/20 and everything works fine.

You were on g.fast you decided to move back to 80/20 and here you are moaning again.


.

Edited by Jack_Hackett (Sun 18-Jun-23 17:03:29)

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

As title, I got a letter from Zzoomm yesterday, just my address, but different from the normal stuff they send as this was in an envelope I presume because I went through the motions of ordering until I got to pick the day for installation.

anyway, they have offered a 500Mb/s for £24.95 for 12 months, which is pretty good I must admit, telephone offer only, also 1Gb/s for £29.95. Got until the end of this month to order if I want it.

I think this thread's now done isn't it. All questions answered. Adrian has popped the champagne and is now drinking happily from the fountain of FTTP.

Everyone happy and can go home satisfied 😎

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

A rubbish statement from you.

My query to Adrian was simply to ask if he ditched his landline number or moved it into VoIP.

And

Seeing the connection speed he was now enjoying, it was clear to me that he had got a very good deal, but I wanted to check that the price he was paying was indeed sub £25. Personally I don't see that being a sustainable business pricing model for any ISP.

We have all been subjected to numerous posts of his every move of getting FTTP installed that we might as well have a final curtain call on this matter.

I don't believe you have any idea of what stalking actually is with your contribution to this thread being entirely unnecessary.

I thought you replied to a Max post, so it looked like you were asking Max.

I never used my landline, I have had VoiP for over 11 years, when I went from ADSL to a wireless network.
I am paying £24.95 a month for a 500Mb/s package, it is a 12 months offer. their normal offer is £19.95 for the first 3 months and then £34.95 for that speed on a 12-month plan.

Not sure how you can enjoy a connection speed, a slow connection speed can be annoying, but once you get over the speed that allows you to do stuff, then it makes no odds.
As I have said before, I was fine with 36Mb/s, the only difference having a faster speed have really made so far is when I decided to re-install windows on the PC. Websites are a bit faster, streaming is no different.
I got it because it was a good price

In reply to a post by adslmax:

NO WAY - I NEVER JOIN VIRGIN MEDIA NOT IN A LIFETIME.

Then stop complaining about lack of speed when the option is available to you. I know Virgin is not perfect, I know a few people using it and some have problems, others don't, but it is their only option which is why they are sticking to it. One did move from Virgin back to FTTC and then decided to go to mobile broadband, They say it is fine until someone comes along with FTTP.

sometimes as i found out you have to bite the bullet for different reasons, mine was price more than anything.
anyway I have to go to work sadly

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Are you asking Max or Adrian? Looks like your post was in reply to Max...

I don't reply to this person

And why not?

Because your reponse to Adrian.

Until next time........!

In reply to a post by Jack_Hackett:

Here we go again, you pop up every few months taking threads off topic moaning about your lack of speed, what is your 80/20 broadband not allowing you to do? i am on 80/20 and everything works fine.

You were on g.fast you decided to move back to 80/20 and here you are moaning again.

.

This thread went off-topic a long time ago, but do I care? nah, not one bit.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Because your reponse to Adrian.

thanks, but I am old enough and ugly enough to fight my own battles

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

I think this thread's now done isn't it. All questions answered. Adrian has popped the champagne and is now drinking happily from the fountain of FTTP.

Everyone happy and can go home satisfied 😎

I would not go as far as saying drinking happily from the fountain of FTTP, I am using it and while i admit that it have been useful in getting my PC back up and running in that it was quicker to download Windows and games, anything else it has made no real difference.,
As i said before, we go on about having super-duper speed, but for a lot of people it makes very little difference. After the 12 months, i will drop the speed to 150.

What a terrible burden you shoulder, first of all they offer you fibre but then they make sure it is super fast. How do you cope? Oh the humanity!

In reply to a post by Spud2003:

What a terrible burden you shoulder, first of all they offer you fibre but then they make sure it is super fast. How do you cope? Oh the humanity!

I did not want fibre in the first place, but providers decided to increase the price of FTTC to force us to it, but they lost out as I went for an Altnet.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I did not want fibre in the first place, but providers decided to increase the price of FTTC to force us to it, but they lost out as I went for an Altnet.

I did not want G.fast in the first place for long while but did ended up having G.fast sync at 160/30 then upgraded to 244/40. Downgraded back to SoGEA 80/20.

Now I don't want FTTP, but now I do want FTTP!

Edited by adslmax (Tue 20-Jun-23 23:31:23)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I did not want G.fast in the first place for long while but did ended up having G.fast sync at 160/30 then upgraded to 244/40. Downgraded back to SoGEA 80/20.

Now I don't want FTTP, but now I do want FTTP!

Er?

But you want faster speed, I am not that bothered, the only difference I have seen really is downloading some files for the PC when I re-installed windows and my VPN connects faster. sure, some sites load a bit faster, but it is not a game changer. But it is in now

sure, some sites load a bit faster, but it is not a game changer. But it is in now

It should be more reliable, not something you've had issues with. I'm hoping my local alt net will be available soon (construction is in sight) because both Openreach FTTC and Virgin Media coax cable are ironically problematic due to the age of the cabling here. Completely separate to speed.

In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

So 800+ posts of will I, won’t I and should I, or not, and you are still dithering, dallying and just about to cancel whilst on the vinegar strokes. Why am I not surprised ?

This thread alone has over 120 posts. Maybe a quarter to a third by Adrian. As far as ways to keep your point count rising rapidly and avoid feeling lonely and ignored if it goes relatively quiet in the cesspark go it's working well.

That is a debatable point. If someone posts a reply to you yourself asking a question, do you most often reply? I expect you do. It's normal behaviour.

What then if five people ask you questions and you reply to each? Each of their post counts go up by one. Yours goes up by five.

But you bloody well replied to max.

Edited by broadband66 (Fri 23-Jun-23 16:16:59)

In reply to a post by jchamier:

It should be more reliable, not something you've had issues with. I'm hoping my local alt net will be available soon (construction is in sight) because both Openreach FTTC and Virgin Media coax cable are ironically problematic due to the age of the cabling here. Completely separate to speed.

So far so good, I have not had any problems since the first day when it kept disconnecting. But as i have said before, i did not really have any problems with my FTTC, apart from that one time. Sometimes it seemed a bit slow, but not that often.

Had a leaflet from Bt offering me 100Mb/s with BT TV and netflix for £39 or something like that. Even if I was not with Zzoomm, it would certainly be a no , for a start it is BT and secondly, I hgave no interest in BT TV or any TV to be honest.

Hi - found this forum while investigating a similar issue, (concerning Connexus) although circumstances are slightly different, so I'd be interested to hear if anyone can relate to this particular circumstance.

A family member, Connexus tenant, living in a maisonette in Hereford, (2 houses, stacked on top of each other, each with 2 floors ), has been told by Connexus that they CANNOT have Zzoomm installed, because of the need to drill holes in the maisonette.

How did you get Connexus to give consent, please, @zyborg47?

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Just to make it proper I decided to get permission from my landlord, and they have given me permission
I can confirm that Connexus has no objection to Zoom installing Fibre Optic Broadband at the
property, subject to your agreement being bound by the following conditions: -

The conditions are that I fix stuff, like holes in walls if I decide to get rid of zzoomm and all that sort of thing. Just cover their backs, really.

What makes me laugh is that they sent me a PDF of the agreement via email and yet I have to print it out, sign it and send it back by post.